(10-22-2019, 11:45 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/jaguarmaven/status/1...12096?s=21
I'm hoping to get a chance to analyze this a bit when the all22 is released later today for the regular folk like me.
I want to see what went down with Taven and Yannick specifically. On the other side of the ball I want to check out Norwell. He's earning a bad reputation with some really bad plays this year, but I also see some really good ones. I'd like to start getting a bit of a running tally going on that ratio.
(10-22-2019, 11:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 11:45 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/jaguarmaven/status/1...12096?s=21
I'm hoping to get a chance to analyze this a bit when the all22 is released later today for the regular folk like me.
I want to see what went down with Taven and Yannick specifically. On the other side of the ball I want to check out Norwell. He's earning a bad reputation with some really bad plays this year, but I also see some really good ones. I'd like to start getting a bit of a running tally going on that ratio.
I'm intrigued with your Norwell take after you watch it.
The Jags are doing a great job of running the ball on the left side of the line but it looks like one or two times a game Norwell gets destroyed in pass protection.
(10-22-2019, 11:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 11:45 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/jaguarmaven/status/1...12096?s=21
I'm hoping to get a chance to analyze this a bit when the all22 is released later today for the regular folk like me.
I want to see what went down with Taven and Yannick specifically. On the other side of the ball I want to check out Norwell. He's earning a bad reputation with some really bad plays this year, but I also see some really good ones. I'd like to start getting a bit of a running tally going on that ratio.
I'll add as well! The play where Yannick had a TFL of about 8 yards, he lined up standing playing almost a 3-4 OLB. Goes completely unblocked. I've been watching how we use our front 4, especially now with Allen and in preseason Wash saying how he had options with looks.
(10-22-2019, 11:53 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 11:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm hoping to get a chance to analyze this a bit when the all22 is released later today for the regular folk like me.
I want to see what went down with Taven and Yannick specifically. On the other side of the ball I want to check out Norwell. He's earning a bad reputation with some really bad plays this year, but I also see some really good ones. I'd like to start getting a bit of a running tally going on that ratio.
I'm intrigued with your Norwell take after you watch it.
The Jags are doing a great job of running the ball on the left side of the line but it looks like one or two times a game Norwell gets destroyed in pass protection.
Related stat I just saw:
The Jags rank #6 in the league at their win rate of holding blocks at least 2.5 seconds at a 61% rate.
I think is we had maybe 20% more pass plays being called designed to get the ball out quickly that number could improve. I remember one of the sacks that Norwell gave up, Minshew held the ball for at least 4 seconds, and I think we need to cut down on those instances. Take advantage of having a high rate of pass blocking for that 2.5 second threshold.
(10-22-2019, 11:53 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 11:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm hoping to get a chance to analyze this a bit when the all22 is released later today for the regular folk like me.
I want to see what went down with Taven and Yannick specifically. On the other side of the ball I want to check out Norwell. He's earning a bad reputation with some really bad plays this year, but I also see some really good ones. I'd like to start getting a bit of a running tally going on that ratio.
I'm intrigued with your Norwell take after you watch it.
The Jags are doing a great job of running the ball on the left side of the line but it looks like one or two times a game Norwell gets destroyed in pass protection.
Robinson was crushing it in run blocking but getting beat in pass protection. I forgot Ogbuehi played about 60+ snaps Sunday. I think that's as good a compliment as I can give him, I completely forgot. He did well.
(10-22-2019, 11:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 11:45 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/jaguarmaven/status/1...12096?s=21
I'm hoping to get a chance to analyze this a bit when the all22 is released later today for the regular folk like me.
I want to see what went down with Taven and Yannick specifically. On the other side of the ball I want to check out Norwell. He's earning a bad reputation with some really bad plays this year, but I also see some really good ones. I'd like to start getting a bit of a running tally going on that ratio.
You don't need the all-22 to see what's happening with the DE. He's almost always on the screen until the pass is released. Same deal with Norwell.
(10-22-2019, 01:22 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 11:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm hoping to get a chance to analyze this a bit when the all22 is released later today for the regular folk like me.
I want to see what went down with Taven and Yannick specifically. On the other side of the ball I want to check out Norwell. He's earning a bad reputation with some really bad plays this year, but I also see some really good ones. I'd like to start getting a bit of a running tally going on that ratio.
You don't need the all-22 to see what's happening with the DE. He's almost always on the screen until the pass is released. Same deal with Norwell.
Multiple angles make it much easier to figure double teams and twists/stunts accurately. Sometimes the broadcast angle shows you something and the endzone view changes your mind. Different lateral perspective from sideline to sideline.
(10-22-2019, 11:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 11:53 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I'm intrigued with your Norwell take after you watch it.
The Jags are doing a great job of running the ball on the left side of the line but it looks like one or two times a game Norwell gets destroyed in pass protection.
Related stat I just saw:
The Jags rank #6 in the league at their win rate of holding blocks at least 2.5 seconds at a 61% rate.
I think is we had maybe 20% more pass plays being called designed to get the ball out quickly that number could improve. I remember one of the sacks that Norwell gave up, Minshew held the ball for at least 4 seconds, and I think we need to cut down on those instances. Take advantage of having a high rate of pass blocking for that 2.5 second threshold.
Interesting stat. I think our OL pass protects a little better than most here seem to think.
(10-22-2019, 02:22 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 11:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Related stat I just saw:
The Jags rank #6 in the league at their win rate of holding blocks at least 2.5 seconds at a 61% rate.
I think is we had maybe 20% more pass plays being called designed to get the ball out quickly that number could improve. I remember one of the sacks that Norwell gave up, Minshew held the ball for at least 4 seconds, and I think we need to cut down on those instances. Take advantage of having a high rate of pass blocking for that 2.5 second threshold.
Interesting stat. I think our OL pass protects a little better than most here seem to think.
Yeah, the fact that Minshew improvises (holds the ball) at times inflates the perception they aren't holding up, and of course there are some quick pressures allowed too. Folks just may not realize that not all of them happen that quickly.
(10-22-2019, 02:26 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 02:22 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting stat. I think our OL pass protects a little better than most here seem to think.
Yeah, the fact that Minshew improvises (holds the ball) at times inflates the perception they aren't holding up, and of course there are some quick pressures allowed too. Folks just may not realize that not all of them happen that quickly.
Yep. Seems like 1 or 2 plays each drive I start yelling towards the dog that he needs to get rid of the ball mid play.
(10-22-2019, 11:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 11:53 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I'm intrigued with your Norwell take after you watch it.
The Jags are doing a great job of running the ball on the left side of the line but it looks like one or two times a game Norwell gets destroyed in pass protection.
Related stat I just saw:
The Jags rank #6 in the league at their win rate of holding blocks at least 2.5 seconds at a 61% rate.
I think is we had maybe 20% more pass plays being called designed to get the ball out quickly that number could improve. I remember one of the sacks that Norwell gave up, Minshew held the ball for at least 4 seconds, and I think we need to cut down on those instances. Take advantage of having a high rate of pass blocking for that 2.5 second threshold.
Yes... I've noticed a number of times in the Nola and Bungles game that Minshew has an easy 3-5 yards with LF in the flat or a TE crossing that he ignores or doesn't see looking downfield.
Sometimes the kid just needs to take the easy yards and help his OL out too.
I always yell "quick" when I notice he's had the ball for what seems like longer than 3 seconds.
It's like my football tourretts. I can see the pass rush hold hold and then start to cave, decision should be made by then.
This is why they probably move back to Foles when he is healthy. But yeah, Norwell is easily blown up twice a game. As is Taylor (or he is caught holding at least twice lol)
I must have missed the segway from Yan to our OL though... just noticed we're a bit off topic here.
I have a feeling Yan gets his contract during the bye week.
(10-22-2019, 06:54 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]I have a feeling Yan gets his contract during the bye week.
Would not surprise me in the slightest. I would welcome the news. A happy, content Yan is a dangerous Yan.
(10-22-2019, 06:54 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]I have a feeling Yan gets his contract during the bye week.
I'd wait a little longer and make sure he's getting back to his typical pressure rate before injury. But I really hope he shows it and I hope they float him another offer when he does.
(10-22-2019, 06:54 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]I have a feeling Yan gets his contract during the bye week.
(10-22-2019, 07:15 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 06:54 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]I have a feeling Yan gets his contract during the bye week.
Would not surprise me in the slightest. I would welcome the news. A happy, content Yan is a dangerous Yan.
All depends on Yan. Will he take less money or does he still want top $? The Jags have some cap they can use this season so they need to use it, but not by overpaying.
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(10-22-2019, 07:19 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 06:54 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]I have a feeling Yan gets his contract during the bye week.
(10-22-2019, 07:15 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Would not surprise me in the slightest. I would welcome the news. A happy, content Yan is a dangerous Yan.
All depends on Yan. Will he take less money or does he still want top $? The Jags have some cap they can use this season so they need to use it, but not by overpaying.
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I don't think the $ was the issue, based on the rumors we heard.
It was a short term deal he didn't like.
They probably offered a 3-4 year deal with a 2 year out and he didn't like it. (maybe 4 year 80-90 mil but a 2 year out making his real gtd like 40-45---im super guessing)
If they come back with the similar style deal I doubt he likes it. But I don't know why they wouldn't wanna lock him up longer. 5 year 100 mil 50 gtd (with a 3 year out) seems fair to me.
But what do I know lol
(10-23-2019, 10:48 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 07:19 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]All depends on Yan. Will he take less money or does he still want top $? The Jags have some cap they can use this season so they need to use it, but not by overpaying.
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I don't think the $ was the issue, based on the rumors we heard.
It was a short term deal he didn't like.
They probably offered a 3-4 year deal with a 2 year out and he didn't like it. (maybe 4 year 80-90 mil but a 2 year out making his real gtd like 40-45---im super guessing)
If they come back with the similar style deal I doubt he likes it. But I don't know why they wouldn't wanna lock him up longer. 5 year 100 mil 50 gtd (with a 3 year out) seems fair to me.
But what do I know lol
It's the guaranteed money. It doesn't matter how many years it is. He wants more guarantees, but 100 with only 50 doesn't matter, it's still only 50 because they can cut him.
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