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Tbh, i think Josh McDaniels would be a perfect hire.

Quote:Bwahahahahaha. Delusional. I can't believe people feeling bad for Gus.

Not in the least. This team isn't making the playoff with out without him. I don't want to fire him and Marrone makes us go 6-10. I'd rather just take this 3-13 like a man and get that better draft pick...

Do all the people propping Josh McDaniels not remember his time in Denver?


Big no to Josh McDaniels.  Same for Mike Smith.  No former head coaches who haven't won at least 2 playoff games.

Quote:Yea we wouldn't want to fire Gus and end up with a complete disaster on our hands, would we?

Historically, looking at early season changes, it might get even worse. 

 

2000 Bengals: Bruce Coslett (0-3)   Richard Labeau (4-9) 

2005 Rams: Mike Martz (2-3)  Joe Vitt (4-7) 

2008 Rams: Scott Linehan (0-4)  Jim Haslett (2-10)

2008 Raiders: Lame Kiffin (1-3)  Tom Cable (4-8) 

 

The simple fact is, there is a higher chance Gus turns it around than a midseason coaching change does. 

We're going to lose our players pretty soon. They're not going to sign the extensions, they're not going to negotiate new contracts, they'll opt out for FA and test the market. Coaches can drive players out of here, and I wouldn't be surprised if this happens. 

Quote:Do all the people propping Josh McDaniels not remember his time in Denver?


Big no to Josh McDaniels.  Same for Mike Smith.  No former head coaches who haven't won at least 2 playoff games.

 

McDaniels big problem in Denver was his personnel decisions. He was Chip Kelly 1.0. He might be good as just a coach with Caldwell controlling the personnel.


 

But I don't want McDaniels. I agree with you, we need a coach with a winning record as an NFL head coach. Gruden is still #1 on my list, I think he'd take the job if offered, and he has never expressed an interest in also being the GM. In the recent past there have been other NFL head coaches with winning records on the market. Arians was one I thought the Jags should pursue. Reid, Coughlin, Fox, and Harbaugh are also examples of
 head coaches with winning NFL records who have been available in recent years.

Quote:We're going to lose our players pretty soon. They're not going to sign the extensions, they're not going to negotiate new contracts, they'll opt out for FA and test the market. Coaches can drive players out of here, and I wouldn't be surprised if this happens.

Very true. Didnt think of this.

Quote:Yea we wouldn't want to fire Gus and end up with a complete disaster on our hands, would we?

That would be bad! I would hate to fire Gus and have the team looking lost and confused with the interim coach.


Wait a second...

Quote:Historically, looking at early season changes, it might get even worse. 

 

2000 Bengals: Bruce Coslett (0-3)   Richard Labeau (4-9) 

2005 Rams: Mike Martz (2-3)  Joe Vitt (4-7) 

2008 Rams: Scott Linehan (0-4)  Jim Haslett (2-10)

2008 Raiders: Lame Kiffin (1-3)  Tom Cable (4-8) 

 

The simple fact is, there is a higher chance Gus turns it around than a midseason coaching change does. 

 

Not enough analysis

 

2000 Bengals (4-12)  - 1999 (2-14), 2001 (6-10), 2002 (2-14), 2003 (8-8), 2004 (8-8)

2005 Rams (6-10) - 2004 (8-8), 2005 (6-10), 2006 (8-8), 2007 (3-13)

2008 Rams (2-14) - 2009 (1-15), 2010 (7-9)

2008 Raiders (5-11) - 2007 (4-12), 2009 (5-11), 2010 (8-8), 2011 (8-8)

 

In each of the cases, it wasn't the mid-season coaching change that was the problem.

Quote:Historically, looking at early season changes, it might get even worse.


2000 Bengals: Bruce Coslett (0-3) Richard Labeau (4-9)

2005 Rams: Mike Martz (2-3) Joe Vitt (4-7)

2008 Rams: Scott Linehan (0-4) Jim Haslett (2-10)

2008 Raiders: Lame Kiffin (1-3) Tom Cable (4-8)


The simple fact is, there is a higher chance Gus turns it around than a midseason coaching change does.

3 of those 4 examples you provided have a higher win % than bobblehead Gus.

I don't really understand the fascination with Jon Gruden. I know he had some powerhouse offenses in Oakland and won a Super Bowl in his first season with Tampa Bay, but he was a sub .500 coach in his remaining six years in Tampa Bay. In fact, in his seven seasons there, Tampa Bay only finished above the league average twice in yards and not once in scoring:

 

2002: 18th in points and 24th in yards

2003: 18th in points and 10th in yards

2004: 23rd in points and 22nd in yards

2005: 20th in points and 23rd in yards

2006: 31st in points and 29th in yards

2007: 18th in points and 18th in yards

2008: 19th in points and 14th in yards

 

Tampa Bay's success was largely due to Monte Kiffin and the Hall of Fame talent they had on the other side of the ball.

Quote:We're going to lose our players pretty soon. They're not going to sign the extensions, they're not going to negotiate new contracts, they'll opt out for FA and test the market. Coaches can drive players out of here, and I wouldn't be surprised if this happens.

Very much this. As bad as it has been someone has to be held accountable. There have been many new players but one constant at head coach.


The players are (if they have not already) going to get tired of losing. They're going to get fed up with his philosophies and that is going to be a problem.

Quote:Do all the people propping Josh McDaniels not remember his time in Denver?


Big no to Josh McDaniels.  Same for Mike Smith.  No former head coaches who haven't won at least 2 playoff games.

There is actually a good track record for head coaches their second time in the job. I'd be happy with McDaniels or Todd Haley, especially Todd Haley. If Blake is going to succeed to his fullest I think that type of offense he needs to run. 

No, but I'd give a blank check to his Stanford protege in David Shaw and hope he bites.

Quote:Not enough analysis

 

2000 Bengals (4-12)  - 1999 (2-14), 2001 (6-10), 2002 (2-14), 2003 (8-8), 2004 (8-8)

2005 Rams (6-10) - 2004 (8-8), 2005 (6-10), 2006 (8-8), 2007 (3-13)

2008 Rams (2-14) - 2009 (1-15), 2010 (7-9)

2008 Raiders (5-11) - 2007 (4-12), 2009 (5-11), 2010 (8-8), 2011 (8-8)

 

In each of the cases, it wasn't the mid-season coaching change that was the problem.

That's nice but irrelevant. My point is the coaching change does nothing. It just gives you feelz. The season is lost by that point. Statistically, more teams have come back from bad starts with the HC than an interim one. Only 1 in 22 (going back to 2000) has been a success and that is Jason Garrett.

GMs hate Harbaugh.  He commands too much control and wants to re-sign every single playmaker to a top level contract.  He totally undermined the 49ers GM by telling the players if it were up to him, that player would have been re-signed by the 49ers to a long term contract.  

Has any former coach left the broadcast booth to go back to coaching? Those 3 day work weeks paying millions are hard to forfiet

Shad could go big and throw a blank checkbook at a "bigger name" like Cowher, Coughlin, Gruden, Harbaugh or Saban. Then there are coordinators like McDaniels, McDermott, and Austin. Finally we have the retread and college coaches like Mora and Fisher.


McDaniels seems polarizing on here but I am curious to see how much he has matured back under Belicheck. Also, Caldwell would be handling personnel which is one of the main things that lead to McDaniels getting canned.

We're going to look like a dumpster fire towards the end of the season. 

 

Will Allen Robinson sign an extension with us? Telvin Smith? Prince? Linder? Hell, what about Bortles? People are overlooking this big time. Deion Sanders got the hell out of Atlanta when he had the chance, you have to think these players don't want to constantly lose and waste their careers with an inept franchise. 

Quote:Has any former coach left the broadcast booth to go back to coaching? Those 3 day work weeks paying millions are hard to forfiet

Someone did the research the last time we were looking to go back to the Cowher/Gruden well and it was determined that the only coach who ever returned successfully after an extended time off (I forget the exact parameters of what extended was) was Dick Vermeil. It would be fighting extreme history to think that Cowher or Gruden would come back successfully now.