(06-16-2023, 11:59 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2023, 11:53 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]And you're a jackass for thinking that.. My definition for The Swamp would be, people elected to office to line their pockets and enrich their bottom line.. That includes YOUR President. Go read another NPR article..
And I guarantee you that I'm not alone in my thinking.
So what did Trump accomplish on that issue in his four years in office?
Nothing but resistance from the party of tolerance..
(06-16-2023, 11:59 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2023, 11:53 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]And you're a jackass for thinking that.. My definition for The Swamp would be, people elected to office to line their pockets and enrich their bottom line.. That includes YOUR President. Go read another NPR article..
And I guarantee you that I'm not alone in my thinking.
So what did Trump accomplish on that issue in his four years in office?
If you cannot see the blatant corruption and double standards then you just don’t refuse to. Granted most of have known of it but it was never on blown display like it is today. Trump did that if nothing else.
(06-16-2023, 11:53 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2023, 10:39 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]It seems to me that Trump's remaining supporters have the same definition for "swamp" that he has. "People I don't like, people who say negative things about me or about people I like."
It isn't an actionable definition.
But it is unifying. They all get to imagine that they hate the same types of people even though they don't.
Maybe someone can prove me wrong. Suppose we have two career DoJ officials in front of us. Which one is so deeply entrenched in "swamp life" that they need to be fired, and which can be retrained? How can you tell? What retraining do you offer the remaining one?
Sorry brother.
Not enough people agree with you to give that side the support they need to implement their vision.
In fact, many would construe what you just said as a racist dog whistle, so they wouldn't remain neutral but rather they would fight you out of righteous indignation.
So trying to win the way you want to win is only going to dig the hole deeper.
You need to judo flip this whole thing.
We all do.
And you're a jackass for thinking that.. My definition for The Swamp would be, people elected to office to line their pockets and enrich their bottom line.. That includes YOUR President. Go read another NPR article..
And I guarantee you that I'm not alone in my thinking.
You're a jackass for not realizing that Trump and his family and his hangers-on are those people, just as much as any other elected official.
(06-16-2023, 12:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2023, 11:53 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]And you're a jackass for thinking that.. My definition for The Swamp would be, people elected to office to line their pockets and enrich their bottom line.. That includes YOUR President. Go read another NPR article..
And I guarantee you that I'm not alone in my thinking.
You're a jackass for not realizing that Trump and his family and his hangers-on are those people, just as much as anyone else.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Whatever you say.. Make stuff up, believe your own lie, repeat the lie.
You're a true liberal, Mikey!!
(06-16-2023, 12:36 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2023, 11:59 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So what did Trump accomplish on that issue in his four years in office?
Nothing but resistance from the party of tolerance..
What does that mean though?
Is he too weak to overcome them?
(06-16-2023, 12:57 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2023, 12:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You're a jackass for not realizing that Trump and his family and his hangers-on are those people, just as much as anyone else.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Whatever you say.. Make stuff up, believe your own lie, repeat the lie.
You're a true liberal, Mikey!!
The Saudi royal family has funneled *billions* to Trump and Kushner since they came to power.
"Oh this is just a business arrangement, you manage our assets" Yeah right.
(06-16-2023, 01:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2023, 12:36 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing but resistance from the party of tolerance..
What does that mean though?
Is he too weak to overcome them?
(06-16-2023, 12:57 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Whatever you say.. Make stuff up, believe your own lie, repeat the lie.
You're a true liberal, Mikey!!
The Saudi royal family has funneled *billions* to Trump and Kushner since they came to power.
"Oh this is just a business arrangement, you manage our assets" Yeah right.
He barely had a Presidency as he was drug through the mud the whole time because it was "Her Time". And if you're too stupid to see that, not my problem..
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This conversation isn't productive. The conservatives on this board are not wrong about their assessment of the deep state. It's unelected bureaucrats who make policies on behalf of large corporations in the form of giant omnibus bills that nobody reads. Marty and Mikey aren't wrong in that Trump was ill-equipped to stop them. That said, who is? It's a nigh impossible task. Trump has exposed it through sheer stubbornness, which should be a boon to the entire nation if moderate and independents could properly fixate their ire. Until the majority of us fall in line and start putting our foot down, this corruption will not end. Is Trump the man to do it? I'm not sure. He's Toto, though. He's pulling back the curtain. Conservatives are going through an eye-opening of sorts. Until the Mikey's and Marty's start seeing it, we need more Trumps. Not less.
(06-16-2023, 03:13 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]This conversation isn't productive. The conservatives on this board are not wrong about their assessment of the deep state. It's unelected bureaucrats who make policies on behalf of large corporations in the form of giant omnibus bills that nobody reads. Marty and Mikey aren't wrong in that Trump was ill-equipped to stop them. That said, who is? It's a nigh impossible task. Trump has exposed it through sheer stubbornness, which should be a boon to the entire nation if moderate and independents could properly fixate their ire. Until the majority of us fall in line and start putting our foot down, this corruption will not end. Is Trump the man to do it? I'm not sure. He's Toto, though. He's pulling back the curtain. Conservatives are going through an eye-opening of sorts. Until the Mikey's and Marty's start seeing it, we need more Trumps. Not less.
And that's all I want from my elected officials.. To pull back the curtain and show the people what's really going on. Until that happens, we'll always be tribalistic with our affiliated parties. No one side can trust the other as both sides have been criminal. Trump may be an unpopular candidate on this board, but he's the only one that started to pull back that curtain of deceitfulness.
(06-16-2023, 03:13 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]This conversation isn't productive. The conservatives on this board are not wrong about their assessment of the deep state. It's unelected bureaucrats who make policies on behalf of large corporations in the form of giant omnibus bills that nobody reads. Marty and Mikey aren't wrong in that Trump was ill-equipped to stop them. That said, who is? It's a nigh impossible task. Trump has exposed it through sheer stubbornness, which should be a boon to the entire nation if moderate and independents could properly fixate their ire. Until the majority of us fall in line and start putting our foot down, this corruption will not end. Is Trump the man to do it? I'm not sure. He's Toto, though. He's pulling back the curtain. Conservatives are going through an eye-opening of sorts. Until the Mikey's and Marty's start seeing it, we need more Trumps. Not less.
(06-16-2023, 03:24 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]And that's all I want from my elected officials.. To pull back the curtain and show the people what's really going on. Until that happens, we'll always be tribalistic with our affiliated parties. No one side can trust the other as both sides have been criminal. Trump may be an unpopular candidate on this board, but he's the only one that started to pull back that curtain of deceitfulness.
Agreed with these.
Trump isn't a perfect candidate for me and I wish there were other options but there haven't been for a long time. What happened to the tea party? It disappeared because the RINOs have control of everything. How does Trump get rid of the swamp? He literally couldn't because the elected and unelected swamp controlled all the power.
Who controls judges, cabinet, regulations, laws, etc? It's congress and the national committee controls who gets money and backing. The local elections and committees control who can even run and be elected for congress. If the national and local levels are all controlled, how do you expect the swamp to be drained?
Look at the Republicans who never do anything when they have both houses but then push through a ton of bills that do nothing when they have one side. When they have power to actually do something, they are always the ones to compromise and give in. The leadership in both the house and senate just screams out of touch with the voters and just looking to keep themselves in power and making money.
Trump failed many times and continued to have to use the swamp in his cabinet, leadership positions, judges, lawyers, etc. He did a great job exposing it though and things have changed the last 2 years. Local elections are removing the RINOs, neocons, etc and people are standing up to corporations and the government. It's no where near enough though without some further help. Other than slowing it, I think it's a losing battle even if Trump isn't cheated out of 2024. They protect their own and occasionally they offer up someone if needed to quiet the movement.
There's only 2 things I see being able to change things. The issues with missing kids around the world are released, and people see what the people in power are doing or protecting. That could remove a huge chunk of them and clean out DC. The only other option is the Q stuff is real and somehow they will be able to clean it all up.
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(06-16-2023, 03:13 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]This conversation isn't productive. The conservatives on this board are not wrong about their assessment of the deep state. It's unelected bureaucrats who make policies on behalf of large corporations in the form of giant omnibus bills that nobody reads. Marty and Mikey aren't wrong in that Trump was ill-equipped to stop them. That said, who is? It's a nigh impossible task. Trump has exposed it through sheer stubbornness, which should be a boon to the entire nation if moderate and independents could properly fixate their ire. Until the majority of us fall in line and start putting our foot down, this corruption will not end. Is Trump the man to do it? I'm not sure. He's Toto, though. He's pulling back the curtain. Conservatives are going through an eye-opening of sorts. Until the Mikey's and Marty's start seeing it, we need more Trumps. Not less.
I
am seeing it.
What did you think of the DeSantis car dealership bill?
Are
you seeing it?
Honestly, I can see you're starting to see it. Not to the degree you should, but you've surprised me a couple times. Don't ask me if I'm seeing it. It's all I see.
(06-17-2023, 10:47 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, I can see you're starting to see it. Not to the degree you should, but you've surprised me a couple times. Don't ask me if I'm seeing it. It's all I see.
So, do you think Ford should be banned from selling electric cars direct to consumer in Florida, even though Tesla can do it?
(06-18-2023, 07:06 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Trump loses another lawyer.
Trump's lawyer who quit the documents case has now quit the CNN defamation case, citing "irreconcilable differences."
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/16/trump-la...-suit.html
There's been proof in the past of groups attacking the lawyers who represent Trump.
Dershowitz named them and said they did the same thing to him. 65 Project or something like that.
DOJ/FBI is supposedly refusing to give the lawyers security clearances in the FL case.
I'm not sure if Trump can find an honest judge to rule his rights of representation have been violated.
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(06-18-2023, 10:27 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2023, 07:06 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Trump loses another lawyer.
Trump's lawyer who quit the documents case has now quit the CNN defamation case, citing "irreconcilable differences."
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/16/trump-la...-suit.html
There's been proof in the past of groups attacking the lawyers who represent Trump.
Dershowitz named them and said they did the same thing to him. 65 Project or something like that.
DOJ/FBI is supposedly refusing to give the lawyers security clearances in the FL case.
I'm not sure if Trump can find an honest judge to rule his rights of representation have been violated.
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I just watched a segment with Dershowitz on Media Buzz. He made the assertion that Trump's trial should be televised because the media, from Fox to CNN, will shape their coverage to their bias. I agree with him.
Democrat vs Republican, liberal vs conservative. I see things differently, cultural wars are a smoke screen. Divide and conquer. While the peons fight among themselves, the rich continue their agenda taking all the peons money, the rest is just a distraction.
(06-18-2023, 12:25 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2023, 10:27 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]There's been proof in the past of groups attacking the lawyers who represent Trump.
Dershowitz named them and said they did the same thing to him. 65 Project or something like that.
DOJ/FBI is supposedly refusing to give the lawyers security clearances in the FL case.
I'm not sure if Trump can find an honest judge to rule his rights of representation have been violated.
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I just watched a segment with Dershowitz on Media Buzz. He made the assertion that Trump's trial should be televised because the media, from Fox to CNN, will shape their coverage to their bias. I agree with him.
Absolutely it should be televised. I don't want the various media telling us what happened, what evidence and what arguments were presented. We should see it for ourselves without the media filter.
(06-18-2023, 12:25 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2023, 10:27 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]There's been proof in the past of groups attacking the lawyers who represent Trump.
Dershowitz named them and said they did the same thing to him. 65 Project or something like that.
DOJ/FBI is supposedly refusing to give the lawyers security clearances in the FL case.
I'm not sure if Trump can find an honest judge to rule his rights of representation have been violated.
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I just watched a segment with Dershowitz on Media Buzz. He made the assertion that Trump's trial should be televised because the media, from Fox to CNN, will shape their coverage to their bias. I agree with him.
I don't disagree, I'm just making the observation that media bias already happens all day, every day. There is very little middle ground with Trump, and I don't expect public opinion to be significantly swayed from existing lines, regardless of coverage.
(06-18-2023, 03:31 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (06-18-2023, 12:25 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I just watched a segment with Dershowitz on Media Buzz. He made the assertion that Trump's trial should be televised because the media, from Fox to CNN, will shape their coverage to their bias. I agree with him.
I don't disagree, I'm just making the observation that media bias already happens all day, every day. There is very little middle ground with Trump, and I don't expect public opinion to be significantly swayed from existing lines, regardless of coverage.
I don't think there's ever been such a polarizing figure in American politics.. There's almost no middle man. You either love him to death or you wish he would go away and die lol..
I imagine there are some fence sitters, but I can't imagine that there's too many.
I don't love him to death, but I like him the same way I like Stone Cold Steve Austin. He's not the guy I'm rooting for, but it's great to watch him drop a Stone Cold Stunner when Vince McMahon shows up.