(08-14-2023, 06:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Fulton County Clerk says leaked doc was not real
https://twitter.com/Sky_Lee_1/status/169...35264?s=20
So it was a fake published on their website? Right, sure we will go with that.
It was either incompetence or done on purpose.
If you have ever been in a government building in Fulton County, you can understand that incompetence would be the initial thought. The few times I had to go to this building or one of the others, I tried to interact as little as possible with the employees or I wouldn't get whatever I needed done. I almost lost it once and asked the head of the tax department if him or any of his employees knew how to add and subtract. (Don't buy a car out of state and register it in GA or at least don't prepay any taxes as they don't do math).
The indictment shouldn't have been sent to be published before the grand jury had deliberated and released their verdict. Legally this shows bias, prejudice, and malicious prosecution. The grand jury was sealed and this was unsealed without a verdict being reached. Courts throw out cases for paperwork errors and this is a huge issue for someone who is presumed innocent. The indictment should easily be nullified and sanctions placed on the DA. Courts take that very serious and if Trump wants to push it he could.
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(08-15-2023, 02:29 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2023, 06:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Fulton County Clerk says leaked doc was not real
https://twitter.com/Sky_Lee_1/status/169...35264?s=20
So it was a fake published on their website? Right, sure we will go with that.
It was either incompetence or done on purpose.
If you have ever been in a government building in Fulton County, you can understand that incompetence would be the initial thought. The few times I had to go to this building or one of the others, I tried to interact as little as possible with the employees or I wouldn't get whatever I needed done. I almost lost it once and asked the head of the tax department if him or any of his employees knew how to add and subtract. (Don't buy a car out of state and register it in GA or at least don't prepay any taxes as they don't do math).
The indictment shouldn't have been sent to be published before the grand jury had deliberated and released their verdict. Legally this shows bias, prejudice, and malicious prosecution. The grand jury was sealed and this was unsealed without a verdict being reached. Courts throw out cases for paperwork errors and this is a huge issue for someone who is presumed innocent. The indictment should easily be nullified and sanctions placed on the DA. Courts take that very serious and if Trump wants to push it he could.
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Good question. Here’s a couple of news article, rather than a tweet from some random person who echoes an ideological view, which addresses that question. The answer? There is none. It was deflected by the DA.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...r-AA1fhGKT
https://www.cbsnews.com/atlanta/news/ful...nst-trump/
If he’s eventually charged and convicted in Georgia, I assume he’ll appeal but I wonder what the sentence would be and how it would be served. It’s a pretty unique situation for an ex-president to be in. I suppose the case could eventually be heard by the SCOTUS. Hard to say what they would do. Alternatively, a Trump supporting Georgia governor could pardon him.
This doesn’t even touch on the complexities of a Trump reelection after he’s sentenced. Unprecedented territory.
(08-15-2023, 08:22 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]If he’s eventually charged and convicted in Georgia, I assume he’ll appeal but I wonder what the sentence would be and how it would be served. It’s a pretty unique situation for an ex-president to be in. I suppose the case could eventually be heard by the SCOTUS. Hard to say what they would do. Alternatively, a Trump supporting Georgia governor, if elected, could pardon him.
This doesn’t even touch on the complexities of a Trump reelection after he’s sentenced. Unprecedented territory.
Unprecedented, indeed. I saw an interview with some talking head who said any attempts to incarcerate him will meet up with strong resistance from the Secret Service. If that’s the case, I wonder what a state’s authority would be. Will there be a standoff between federal agents and Georgia State Police? I’m sure there must be some policy written somewhere which addresses that scenario.
(08-14-2023, 07:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I saw an interesting argument on The Bulwark. It said, yes, indicting Trump really does erode the level of trust in the justice system for many Trump supporters. And that's dangerous. But then it said, if we don't even try to convict Trump, that would erode the level of trust that everyone else has for the justice system. And thats more dangerous. It's lose/lose, but you lose the trust of more people if you let Trump get away with it.
We don't want to find out what a bunch of young angry leftists will start to do if they think the system is rigged and calls for violence go unpunished.
Those of us without selective memories already know.
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(08-15-2023, 08:22 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]If he’s eventually charged and convicted in Georgia, I assume he’ll appeal but I wonder what the sentence would be and how it would be served. It’s a pretty unique situation for an ex-president to be in. I suppose the case could eventually be heard by the SCOTUS. Hard to say what they would do. Alternatively, a Trump supporting Georgia governor could pardon him.
This doesn’t even touch on the complexities of a Trump reelection after he’s sentenced. Unprecedented territory.
Georgia law does not extend the right to pardon to its Governor.
Trump would have to serve five years of a sentence before being eligible for a pardon.
https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/...20governor.
(08-15-2023, 08:53 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2023, 07:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I saw an interesting argument on The Bulwark. It said, yes, indicting Trump really does erode the level of trust in the justice system for many Trump supporters. And that's dangerous. But then it said, if we don't even try to convict Trump, that would erode the level of trust that everyone else has for the justice system. And thats more dangerous. It's lose/lose, but you lose the trust of more people if you let Trump get away with it.
We don't want to find out what a bunch of young angry leftists will start to do if they think the system is rigged and calls for violence go unpunished.
Those of us without selective memories already know.
Oh dear, you're going to damage his fragile psyche.
(08-15-2023, 08:53 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2023, 07:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I saw an interesting argument on The Bulwark. It said, yes, indicting Trump really does erode the level of trust in the justice system for many Trump supporters. And that's dangerous. But then it said, if we don't even try to convict Trump, that would erode the level of trust that everyone else has for the justice system. And thats more dangerous. It's lose/lose, but you lose the trust of more people if you let Trump get away with it.
We don't want to find out what a bunch of young angry leftists will start to do if they think the system is rigged and calls for violence go unpunished.
Those of us without selective memories already know.
Exactly. That was nothing compared to what might come.
(08-15-2023, 09:08 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2023, 08:22 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]If he’s eventually charged and convicted in Georgia, I assume he’ll appeal but I wonder what the sentence would be and how it would be served. It’s a pretty unique situation for an ex-president to be in. I suppose the case could eventually be heard by the SCOTUS. Hard to say what they would do. Alternatively, a Trump supporting Georgia governor could pardon him.
This doesn’t even touch on the complexities of a Trump reelection after he’s sentenced. Unprecedented territory.
Georgia law does not extend the right to pardon to its Governor.
Trump would have to serve five years of a sentence before being eligible for a pardon.
https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/...20governor.
That leaves the appeals process assuming he’s convicted. It’s going to be difficult for him to carry out his duties as president if he’s incarcerated. I really wonder how that would work. Maybe have a delayed time frame for reporting to prison (or house arrest).
(08-15-2023, 08:51 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2023, 08:22 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]If he’s eventually charged and convicted in Georgia, I assume he’ll appeal but I wonder what the sentence would be and how it would be served. It’s a pretty unique situation for an ex-president to be in. I suppose the case could eventually be heard by the SCOTUS. Hard to say what they would do. Alternatively, a Trump supporting Georgia governor, if elected, could pardon him.
This doesn’t even touch on the complexities of a Trump reelection after he’s sentenced. Unprecedented territory.
Unprecedented, indeed. I saw an interview with some talking head who said any attempts to incarcerate him will meet up with strong resistance from the Secret Service. If that’s the case, I wonder what a state’s authority would be. Will there be a standoff between federal agents and Georgia State Police? I’m sure there must be some policy written somewhere which addresses that scenario.
Doubt it would get to that point. There would be some sort of negotiated protocol although how that would work…who knows?
The potential for violence is real, no doubt.
(08-15-2023, 08:51 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2023, 08:22 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]If he’s eventually charged and convicted in Georgia, I assume he’ll appeal but I wonder what the sentence would be and how it would be served. It’s a pretty unique situation for an ex-president to be in. I suppose the case could eventually be heard by the SCOTUS. Hard to say what they would do. Alternatively, a Trump supporting Georgia governor, if elected, could pardon him.
This doesn’t even touch on the complexities of a Trump reelection after he’s sentenced. Unprecedented territory.
Unprecedented, indeed. I saw an interview with some talking head who said any attempts to incarcerate him will meet up with strong resistance from the Secret Service. If that’s the case, I wonder what a state’s authority would be. Will there be a standoff between federal agents and Georgia State Police? I’m sure there must be some policy written somewhere which addresses that scenario.
It's an unprecedented legal reaction to an unprecedented attempt to illegally alter the outcome of a presidential election.
So, it makes sense. We've entered Trumps "and find out" stage.
Why would you speculate that the Secret Service would do something to impede his incarceration?
(personally - I think they'll find a way around incarceration regardless of which charges stick)
(08-15-2023, 11:48 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2023, 08:51 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Unprecedented, indeed. I saw an interview with some talking head who said any attempts to incarcerate him will meet up with strong resistance from the Secret Service. If that’s the case, I wonder what a state’s authority would be. Will there be a standoff between federal agents and Georgia State Police? I’m sure there must be some policy written somewhere which addresses that scenario.
It's an unprecedented legal reaction to an unprecedented attempt to illegally alter the outcome of a presidential election.
So, it makes sense. We've entered Trumps "and find out" stage.
Why would you speculate that the Secret Service would do something to impede his incarceration?
(personally - I think they'll find a way around incarceration regardless of which charges stick)
Secret service and Georgia police are able to negotiate. Putting him in solitary, supervised by a combination of the two police forces, seems like it checks all the boxes.
I'm looking forward to finding out how much trouble he can stir up with one phone call a day and no internet access.
(08-15-2023, 11:48 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2023, 08:51 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Unprecedented, indeed. I saw an interview with some talking head who said any attempts to incarcerate him will meet up with strong resistance from the Secret Service. If that’s the case, I wonder what a state’s authority would be. Will there be a standoff between federal agents and Georgia State Police? I’m sure there must be some policy written somewhere which addresses that scenario.
It's an unprecedented legal reaction to an unprecedented attempt to illegally alter the outcome of a presidential election.
So, it makes sense. We've entered Trumps "and find out" stage.
Why would you speculate that the Secret Service would do something to impede his incarceration?
(personally - I think they'll find a way around incarceration regardless of which charges stick)
I did not speculate, I referred to someone who did. However, if Trump were pronounced guilty, it’s highly doubtful the Secret Service would allow anyone at the state level to take him into custody. I also highly doubt they would negotiate with a state level police force to share responsibility for his safekeeping.
But, like you, if found guilty, I also think they’ll find a way around incarceration.
(08-15-2023, 11:48 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2023, 08:51 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Unprecedented, indeed. I saw an interview with some talking head who said any attempts to incarcerate him will meet up with strong resistance from the Secret Service. If that’s the case, I wonder what a state’s authority would be. Will there be a standoff between federal agents and Georgia State Police? I’m sure there must be some policy written somewhere which addresses that scenario.
It's an unprecedented legal reaction to an unprecedented alleged attempt to illegally alter the outcome of a presidential election.
So, it makes sense. We've entered Trumps "and find out" stage.
Why would you speculate that the Secret Service would do something to impede his incarceration?
(personally - I think they'll find a way around incarceration regardless of which charges stick)
You forgot one rather important word (assuming you believe in all that fair and impartial trial nonsense).
The primary function of the Secret Service is to protect him, which could not be done effectively if he was incarcerated.
(08-15-2023, 12:17 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2023, 11:48 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's an unprecedented legal reaction to an unprecedented alleged attempt to illegally alter the outcome of a presidential election.
So, it makes sense. We've entered Trumps "and find out" stage.
Why would you speculate that the Secret Service would do something to impede his incarceration?
(personally - I think they'll find a way around incarceration regardless of which charges stick)
You forgot one rather important word (assuming you believe in all that fair and impartial trial nonsense).
The primary function of the Secret Service is to protect him, which could not be done effectively if he was incarcerated.
A mountain of evidence is already public knowledge.
I didn't forget to add that word.
It's just a matter of prosecutors doing their jobs at this point.
(08-15-2023, 11:51 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2023, 11:48 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's an unprecedented legal reaction to an unprecedented attempt to illegally alter the outcome of a presidential election.
So, it makes sense. We've entered Trumps "and find out" stage.
Why would you speculate that the Secret Service would do something to impede his incarceration?
(personally - I think they'll find a way around incarceration regardless of which charges stick)
Secret service and Georgia police are able to negotiate. Putting him in solitary, supervised by a combination of the two police forces, seems like it checks all the boxes.
I'm looking forward to finding out how much trouble he can stir up with one phone call a day and no internet access.
Houdini would be jealous. Even when locked in a prison cell, Trump can still escape into your head!
(08-15-2023, 12:10 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2023, 11:48 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's an unprecedented legal reaction to an unprecedented attempt to illegally alter the outcome of a presidential election.
So, it makes sense. We've entered Trumps "and find out" stage.
Why would you speculate that the Secret Service would do something to impede his incarceration?
(personally - I think they'll find a way around incarceration regardless of which charges stick)
I did not speculate, I referred to someone who did. However, if Trump were pronounced guilty, it’s highly doubtful the Secret Service would allow anyone at the state level to take him into custody. I also highly doubt they would negotiate with a state level police force to share responsibility for his safekeeping.
But, like you, if found guilty, I also think they’ll find a way around incarceration.
The secret service will never stop supervising Trump until he dies.
But already many times they have prevented him from going exactly where he wants exactly when he wants to. Trump has had to notify them in advance of all of his travel plans. I don't see the SS having a problem telling him to listen to GA state prison guards.
(08-15-2023, 12:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2023, 12:10 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I did not speculate, I referred to someone who did. However, if Trump were pronounced guilty, it’s highly doubtful the Secret Service would allow anyone at the state level to take him into custody. I also highly doubt they would negotiate with a state level police force to share responsibility for his safekeeping.
But, like you, if found guilty, I also think they’ll find a way around incarceration.
The secret service will never stop supervising Trump until he dies.
But already many times they have prevented him from going exactly where he wants exactly when he wants to. Trump has had to notify them in advance of all of his travel plans. I don't see the SS having a problem telling him to listen to GA state prison guards.
When did that happen? I’m not questioning if it occurred but I’ve never heard that.
As to the last sentence, no. The Secret Service will never allow anyone to direct, incarcerate or put hands on the President. As pointed out above, protecting the President is their primary job. They will never cede that responsibility to anyone. Ever. That is not a stubborn partisan statement, it is a fact.