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I thought we were talking about Trumps indictment lol

(06-19-2023, 05:45 AM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-19-2023, 03:43 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Franchise contracts should already control this. There really wasn't an issue unless Ford wants to stop franchising in an area. The Franchise gets screwed over a lot by Ford and they have to do what they say.

Not sure if this is a reaction to Ford closing franchises and going against the owner's wishes but I suspect that is the case. Some rich dealer got his friends to protect his dealerships to stop corporate from shutting them down.

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My understanding is that's exactly what's going on. Ford saw what Teslas doing and said they where going to cut out the dealerships. This bill HB-67 prevents that for the reasons I described above.

What he's saying is that the franchise contracts themselves should have spelled this out.

(06-20-2023, 05:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]What car is made in Finland?

Lately, some Mercedes Benz for the US market are made in Finland. I had to look it up.

(06-20-2023, 06:10 PM)snaxdelrio Wrote: [ -> ]I thought we were talking about Trumps indictment lol

Well, mikesez had a problem ordering a car once and though not relevant to the indictment, it was obviously Trump's fault.

So did trump admit during his interview to not obeying the grand jury subpoena?

(06-20-2023, 08:41 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2023, 06:10 PM)snaxdelrio Wrote: [ -> ]I thought we were talking about Trumps indictment lol

Well, mikesez had a problem ordering a car once and though not relevant to the indictment, it was obviously Trump's fault.

Has nothing to do with Trump.
Some Trump supporters here said he was good for exposing corruption that I don't see.  They said I can't see corruption.
I gave a very tangible example of corruption that I do see.  That's all.  It's not federal level corruption so it has nothing to do with Trump.   Sorry.

(06-20-2023, 09:05 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]So did trump admit during his interview to not obeying the grand jury subpoena?

Is this what CNN and other liberal channels are saying they got Trump on now?

I heared that they thought they got Trump for saying something but didn't look into the details yet. Not sure how the subpoena would be an issue. The only thing I can think of is the order to turn over the docs but since the docs weren't classified and were personal records, they doc match the order and don't have to be turned over per NARA and established precedent.

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(06-19-2023, 11:22 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-19-2023, 05:45 AM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]My understanding is that's exactly what's going on. Ford saw what Teslas doing and said they where going to cut out the dealerships. This bill HB-67 prevents that for the reasons I described above.

As I understood it, Ford was only hoping to sell electric cars direct to consumers, they would still continue to sell conventional and hybrid cars and trucks through dealerships only.
In theory an electric car should have much less maintenance needs, and much less potential recalls, It might be a totally different type of mechanic executing the recall repair anyways.
There are many car dealers that do not want to handle electric or hybrid cars at all.  Many car dealers try to minimize the options they will stock to best sellers only, and if you base your buying decisions on what sold last year, the product mix can't change. Manufacturers have been frustrated by this for years.

Also, to p_rushing's point, the franchise contract itself should handle most of this.  If a car dealer needs some security that they will have a sales territory and not get undercut by direct sales before they would be willing to provide a service department dedicated to recalls, that's a textbook example of something that a good contract can handle, no legislature needed.  Just judges. 

Personally I think, electric or not, dealerships are total leaches in all but the largest and most competitive geographic areas, and only for the brands with the biggest sales volume.   When Ford wants to move 10,000 F-150s per quarter into Florida, I can see how dealers could add value buying in bulk and taking on risks like "customers like this paint color more than we thought they would" or "customers liked this upgrade package in Jacksonville but not Tampa." But once you get into smaller sales volumes and more choices of packages and paint colors in less densely populated areas, I just don't see the value at all. Customers in these situations are usually fine if they have to wait a few weeks for the exact car they want to roll off the line.
If Progressive insurance can find a body shop they'll contract with in every market they operate in, I don't see why Hyundai and Kia couldn't do the same thing for recalls.

(06-21-2023, 04:54 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2023, 09:05 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]So did trump admit during his interview to not obeying the grand jury subpoena?

Is this what CNN and other liberal channels are saying they got Trump on now?

I heared that they thought they got Trump for saying something but didn't look into the details yet. Not sure how the subpoena would be an issue. The only thing I can think of is the order to turn over the docs but since the docs weren't classified and were personal records, they doc match the order and don't have to be turned over per NARA and established precedent.

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No way listening to Erick Erickson on the ride home and he was saying it. Played a clip where he said he knew they hadn't turned over everything because he was busy and wanted to get his personal stuff out of the boxes first.

(06-20-2023, 09:05 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]So did trump admit during his interview to not obeying the grand jury subpoena?

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/6/20/2...-documents

"Trump’s statements, many of which were meandering and difficult to follow, both provided a muddled defense, and may have offered fodder to reinforce some of the charges against him. By acknowledging that he had the documents in his possession and that he had reasons for not returning them promptly, Trump’s statements corroborated allegations he’s charged with regarding mishandling these materials."

"At one point, Baier asks Trump directly why he didn’t give sensitive documents back to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) and Trump notes that it’s because he wanted to remove personal belongings and because he was “busy.”
“Why not just hand them over then?” Baier asked.

“Because I had boxes. I want to go through the boxes and get all my personal things out,” Trump said. “I don’t want to hand that over to NARA yet. And I was very busy, as you’ve sort of seen.”

“But according to the indictment, you then tell this aide to move to other locations after telling your lawyers to say you’ve fully complied with the subpoena when you hadn’t,” Baier asked.

“But before I send boxes over, I have to take all of my things out,” Trump argued. “These boxes were interspersed with all sorts of things, golf shirts, clothing, pants, shoes, there were many things.”

These statements are significant because, as some legal experts have noted, they indicate that Trump knew he was holding on to information he was asked to return. That admission, ultimately, could be used to show that Trump was aware of what he was doing and involved in the retention of the documents.
“Trump confessed to personally going through the boxes and had no explanation for why classified records from those boxes wound up in his personal desk,” national security attorney Bradley Moss told Newsweek. “He placed himself at the scene of the retention and obstruction. This is the stuff of nightmares for a defense attorney.”

(06-20-2023, 10:02 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2023, 08:41 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Well, mikesez had a problem ordering a car once and though not relevant to the indictment, it was obviously Trump's fault.

Has nothing to do with Trump.
Some Trump supporters here said he was good for exposing corruption that I don't see.  They said I can't see corruption.
I gave a very tangible example of corruption that I do see.  That's all.  It's not federal level corruption so it has nothing to do with Trump.   Sorry.

Sorry you missed it.  I'll try to fly the next one a little lower.

(06-20-2023, 09:05 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]So did trump admit during his interview to not obeying the grand jury subpoena?

Chris Christie: Trump 'Admitted to Obstruction of Justice' (mediaite.com)

“Last night he said the reason he didn’t give the documents back was because he’s just so very busy and he didn’t have time to respond to a grand jury subpoena because he needed to get his golf shirts and pants out of the box. I mean, does anybody in America believe this?” Christie added.

And when you think about how many days of golf he’s played since he left office, maybe he could have skipped a couple of rounds of golf and gone through the boxes to respond to a subpoena from a grand jury,” 

I think that pretty much sums it up.  The guy hung himself, and if anyone else was in the situation he is in this morning, they'd be asking for a plea bargain.  

(06-21-2023, 10:11 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2023, 09:05 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]So did trump admit during his interview to not obeying the grand jury subpoena?

Chris Christie: Trump 'Admitted to Obstruction of Justice' (mediaite.com)

“Last night he said the reason he didn’t give the documents back was because he’s just so very busy and he didn’t have time to respond to a grand jury subpoena because he needed to get his golf shirts and pants out of the box. I mean, does anybody in America believe this?” Christie added.

And when you think about how many days of golf he’s played since he left office, maybe he could have skipped a couple of rounds of golf and gone through the boxes to respond to a subpoena from a grand jury,” 

I think that pretty much sums it up.  The guy hung himself, and if anyone else was in the situation he is in this morning, they'd be asking for a plea bargain.  

In other news, Chris Christie is competing with Donald Trump for the Republican presidential nomination.

(06-21-2023, 08:50 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2023, 10:02 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Has nothing to do with Trump.
Some Trump supporters here said he was good for exposing corruption that I don't see.  They said I can't see corruption.
I gave a very tangible example of corruption that I do see.  That's all.  It's not federal level corruption so it has nothing to do with Trump.   Sorry.

Sorry you missed it.  I'll try to fly the next one a little lower.

Just because I noticed your sarcasm doesn't mean I have to acknowledge it.

(06-21-2023, 10:45 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-21-2023, 10:11 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Chris Christie: Trump 'Admitted to Obstruction of Justice' (mediaite.com)

“Last night he said the reason he didn’t give the documents back was because he’s just so very busy and he didn’t have time to respond to a grand jury subpoena because he needed to get his golf shirts and pants out of the box. I mean, does anybody in America believe this?” Christie added.

And when you think about how many days of golf he’s played since he left office, maybe he could have skipped a couple of rounds of golf and gone through the boxes to respond to a subpoena from a grand jury,” 

I think that pretty much sums it up.  The guy hung himself, and if anyone else was in the situation he is in this morning, they'd be asking for a plea bargain.  

In other news, Chris Christie is competing with Donald Trump for the Republican presidential nomination.

Yes, but despite some opinion injected,  there is no inaccuracy there.

Dude opens his mouth and either lies or incriminates himself on a daily basis.

It’s a sad state of affairs that we had to and will probably have to chose from Biden and Trump for president. It’s like a bad movie.

(06-21-2023, 11:39 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]It’s a sad state of affairs that we had to and will probably have to chose from Biden and Trump for president.  It’s like a bad movie.

I agree.

(06-21-2023, 11:39 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]It’s a sad state of affairs that we had to and will probably have to chose from Biden and Trump for president.  It’s like a bad movie.

Agreed

(06-21-2023, 11:39 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]It’s a sad state of affairs that we had to and will probably have to chose from Biden and Trump for president.  It’s like a bad movie.

(06-21-2023, 11:39 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]It’s a sad state of affairs that we had to and will probably have to chose from Biden and Trump for president.  It’s like a bad movie.

I agree.  No one here likes Biden.  But a few of us like Trump, so there is some disagreement.

https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/16...38369?s=20

As we all have personal opinions, the FACT remains that History has been make w/the Endictments (3) of an former President, Donald J. Trump. Spin it how you like BUT the reality is just that. REALITY. How or if he'll be convicted? Let Us Pray.

Time Will Tell.

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