(08-28-2023, 11:52 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2023, 11:26 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You are missing the part where I informed you that Trump KNEW he lost Georgia fair and square. Before the call.
There are records of correspondence from multiple official government entities informing him that the lies he was spreading about it were false. All of his claims about the mishandling of votes/ballots were investigated and proven false. ( the 'suitcases of ballots" FALSE - the '18,000 uncounted' FALSE - it was actually 8.900 - not enough to change the election and they were mostly Biden votes anyway - ALL of those claims were vetted and proven false)
But he STILL made that call on January 2nd - so you must take all of those "vague" comments pressuring the Sec of State within the context of Trump having been informed over and over again that he lost the state straight up before he said all of that wacky garbage to the official. (and offered money under another false pretense)
This important context makes the comments and the offer of funds (bribe) a horse of a different color.
Your second claim disproves the first and there's your reasonable doubt.
You are incorrect.
There is no correlation between the two separate false claims made by Trump.
Separate false allegations that he made about Georgia's ballot handling and counting being separately proven to be lies do not help him in any way.
If you are talking about the 8900 uncounted - they were not uncounted when he made the phone call.
They were uncounted the day after the election when he was claiming 18000 were uncounted.
Not only did he know the number was wrong, he knew that those votes were going to be 70-80% in favor of Joe Biden based on the demo of the county and his extensive and expensive "don't vote by mail" campaign.
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(08-28-2023, 12:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2023, 11:52 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Your second claim disproves the first and there's your reasonable doubt.
You are incorrect.
There is no correlation between the two separate false claims made by Trump.
Separate false allegations that he made about Georgia's ballot handling and counting being separately proven to be lies do not help him in any way.
If you are talking about the 8900 uncounted - they were not uncounted when he made the phone call.
They were uncounted the day after the election when he was claiming 18000 were uncounted.
Not only did he know the number was wrong, he knew that those votes were going to be 70-80% in favor of Joe Biden based on the demo of the county and his extensive and expensive "don't vote by mail" campaign.
He didn't KNOW anything. He was advised of this. There's a difference. There is no "evidence." There is only an inarticulate narcissist who genuinely believes the election was rigged (as do I). Nothing provided is proof to the contrary. It doesn't matter how he was advised. Unless you have Trump on tape saying he knows he lost fair and square, there's no evidence. It's just your interpretation of the events, which starts and stops with you believing he's the worst person to walk the earth.
And, yes, that last line is hyperbolic, but barely. So, might not want to chase that point...
You gotta be a [BLEEP] moron to think that election was fair..
(08-28-2023, 01:21 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2023, 12:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You are incorrect.
There is no correlation between the two separate false claims made by Trump.
Separate false allegations that he made about Georgia's ballot handling and counting being separately proven to be lies do not help him in any way.
If you are talking about the 8900 uncounted - they were not uncounted when he made the phone call.
They were uncounted the day after the election when he was claiming 18000 were uncounted.
Not only did he know the number was wrong, he knew that those votes were going to be 70-80% in favor of Joe Biden based on the demo of the county and his extensive and expensive "don't vote by mail" campaign.
He didn't KNOW anything. He was advised of this. There's a difference. There is no "evidence." There is only an inarticulate narcissist who genuinely believes the election was rigged (as do I). Nothing provided is proof to the contrary. It doesn't matter how he was advised. Unless you have Trump on tape saying he knows he lost fair and square, there's no evidence. It's just your interpretation of the events, which starts and stops with you believing he's the worst person to walk the earth.
And, yes, that last line is hyperbolic, but barely. So, might not want to chase that point...
He was
informed of the outcome and the number of uncounted votes that would not alter the outcome.
Then he proceeded to lie about it for weeks on end and eventually make a call to attempt to have the outcome illegally altered. AFTER being
INFORMED by multiple agencies that the outcome was fair and his lies were just that.
You can insert alternate verbs to prop up the alternate facts all you want. It does no one any good.
Lies are lies and they are about to have real consequences in multiple trials.
(08-28-2023, 01:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
"The most secure, free, and fair election in history!"
Just as fair as 2016
and the one before that
and the one before that
and the one before that
and the ...
(08-28-2023, 01:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2023, 01:21 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]He didn't KNOW anything. He was advised of this. There's a difference. There is no "evidence." There is only an inarticulate narcissist who genuinely believes the election was rigged (as do I). Nothing provided is proof to the contrary. It doesn't matter how he was advised. Unless you have Trump on tape saying he knows he lost fair and square, there's no evidence. It's just your interpretation of the events, which starts and stops with you believing he's the worst person to walk the earth.
And, yes, that last line is hyperbolic, but barely. So, might not want to chase that point...
He was informed of the outcome and the number of uncounted votes that would not alter the outcome.
Then he proceeded to lie about it for weeks on end and eventually make a call to attempt to have the outcome illegally altered. AFTER being INFORMED by multiple agencies that the outcome was fair and his lies were just that.
You can insert alternate verbs to prop up the alternate facts all you want. It does no one any good.
Lies are lies and they are about to have real consequences in multiple trials.
(08-28-2023, 01:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
"The most secure, free, and fair election in history!"
Just as fair as 2016
and the one before that
and the one before that
and the one before that
and the ...
None of those elections had blanket mailings of unsolicited ballots. None.
(08-28-2023, 01:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2023, 01:21 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]He didn't KNOW anything. He was advised of this. There's a difference. There is no "evidence." There is only an inarticulate narcissist who genuinely believes the election was rigged (as do I). Nothing provided is proof to the contrary. It doesn't matter how he was advised. Unless you have Trump on tape saying he knows he lost fair and square, there's no evidence. It's just your interpretation of the events, which starts and stops with you believing he's the worst person to walk the earth.
And, yes, that last line is hyperbolic, but barely. So, might not want to chase that point...
He was informed of the outcome and the number of uncounted votes that would not alter the outcome.
Then he proceeded to lie about it for weeks on end and eventually make a call to attempt to have the outcome illegally altered. AFTER being INFORMED by multiple agencies that the outcome was fair and his lies were just that.
You can insert alternate verbs to prop up the alternate facts all you want. It does no one any good.
Lies are lies and they are about to have real consequences in multiple trials.
(08-28-2023, 01:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
"The most secure, free, and fair election in history!"
Just as fair as 2016
and the one before that
and the one before that
and the one before that
and the ...
Informed doesn't mean [BLEEP], bro. I was "informed" it wasn't stolen, too. I don't believe it. Can I be prosecuted for election interference? You just don't get to ascribe intent, dog.
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(08-28-2023, 01:54 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2023, 01:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He was informed of the outcome and the number of uncounted votes that would not alter the outcome.
Then he proceeded to lie about it for weeks on end and eventually make a call to attempt to have the outcome illegally altered. AFTER being INFORMED by multiple agencies that the outcome was fair and his lies were just that.
You can insert alternate verbs to prop up the alternate facts all you want. It does no one any good.
Lies are lies and they are about to have real consequences in multiple trials.
Just as fair as 2016
and the one before that
and the one before that
and the one before that
and the ...
None of those elections had blanket mailings of unsolicited ballots. None.
LOL
Gimme a break.
Of the few states that sent voters ballots for mail due to COVID that previously had not done that - only one of them had any potential of not voting blue.
Here are the states you are falsely claiming some sort of mail in fraud from:
Quote:Reuters found this number by adding up the latest available voter registration statistics for Colorado ( here ); Hawaii, ( here ); Oregon ( here ); Utah ( here ); Washington ( here ); California ( here ); Washington, D.C ( here ); Nevada ( here ); New Jersey ( here ); and Vermont ( here ).
Tell me which of those was Trump going to win?
Nevada?
That wouldn't have been enough - and court after court have ruled the Nevada election outcome fair and certified.
(08-28-2023, 02:40 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]^^ I rest my case..
You'd have to make a case first
(08-28-2023, 11:26 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You are missing the part where I informed you that Trump KNEW he lost Georgia fair and square. Before the call.
There are records of correspondence from multiple official government entities informing him that the lies he was spreading about it were false. All of his claims about the mishandling of votes/ballots were investigated and proven false. ( the 'suitcases of ballots" FALSE - the '18,000 uncounted' FALSE - it was actually 8.900 - not enough to change the election and they were mostly Biden votes anyway - ALL of those claims were vetted and proven false)
But he STILL made that call on January 2nd - so you must take all of those "vague" comments pressuring the Sec of State within the context of Trump having been informed over and over again that he lost the state straight up before he said all of that wacky garbage to the official. (and offered money under another false pretense)
This important context makes the comments and the offer of funds (bribe) a horse of a different color.
(08-28-2023, 12:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2023, 11:52 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Your second claim disproves the first and there's your reasonable doubt.
You are incorrect.
There is no correlation between the two separate false claims made by Trump.
Separate false allegations that he made about Georgia's ballot handling and counting being separately proven to be lies do not help him in any way.
If you are talking about the 8900 uncounted - they were not uncounted when he made the phone call.
They were uncounted the day after the election when he was claiming 18000 were uncounted.
Not only did he know the number was wrong, he knew that those votes were going to be 70-80% in favor of Joe Biden based on the demo of the county and his extensive and expensive "don't vote by mail" campaign.
I'm talking about YOUR statements. You said,
"All of his claims about the mishandling of votes/ballots were investigated and proven false." and t
he 'suitcases of ballots" FALSE - the '18,000 uncounted' FALSE - it was actually 8.900. You admitted 8,900 ballots were unaccounted for, so no, not all of his claims were false. Who they were likely to be for is speculation and whether or not there were enough to change the outcome is irrelevant.
If 8,900 ballots were unaccounted for in any given district at any point in time, it is not unreasonable to believe that further discrepancies could potentially have existed in other districts. A desire to verify results, even to an excessive degree, is not a crime.
(08-28-2023, 05:36 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2023, 11:26 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You are missing the part where I informed you that Trump KNEW he lost Georgia fair and square. Before the call.
There are records of correspondence from multiple official government entities informing him that the lies he was spreading about it were false. All of his claims about the mishandling of votes/ballots were investigated and proven false. ( the 'suitcases of ballots" FALSE - the '18,000 uncounted' FALSE - it was actually 8.900 - not enough to change the election and they were mostly Biden votes anyway - ALL of those claims were vetted and proven false)
But he STILL made that call on January 2nd - so you must take all of those "vague" comments pressuring the Sec of State within the context of Trump having been informed over and over again that he lost the state straight up before he said all of that wacky garbage to the official. (and offered money under another false pretense)
This important context makes the comments and the offer of funds (bribe) a horse of a different color.
(08-28-2023, 12:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You are incorrect.
There is no correlation between the two separate false claims made by Trump.
Separate false allegations that he made about Georgia's ballot handling and counting being separately proven to be lies do not help him in any way.
If you are talking about the 8900 uncounted - they were not uncounted when he made the phone call.
They were uncounted the day after the election when he was claiming 18000 were uncounted.
Not only did he know the number was wrong, he knew that those votes were going to be 70-80% in favor of Joe Biden based on the demo of the county and his extensive and expensive "don't vote by mail" campaign.
I'm talking about YOUR statements. You said, "All of his claims about the mishandling of votes/ballots were investigated and proven false." and the 'suitcases of ballots" FALSE - the '18,000 uncounted' FALSE - it was actually 8.900. You admitted 8,900 ballots were unaccounted for, so no, not all of his claims were false. Who they were likely to be for is speculation and whether or not there were enough to change the outcome is irrelevant.
If 8,900 ballots were unaccounted for in any given district at any point in time, it is not unreasonable to believe that further discrepancies could potentially have existed in other districts. A desire to verify results, even to an excessive degree, is not a crime.
It's time sensitive. There was a day in November where not all of the votes had been counted yet. But by January they had been counted.
Just like, on April 13, 1912, you could say "The Titanic is on its way." But on April 16 1912 that would have been a lie.
(08-28-2023, 05:36 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2023, 11:26 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You are missing the part where I informed you that Trump KNEW he lost Georgia fair and square. Before the call.
There are records of correspondence from multiple official government entities informing him that the lies he was spreading about it were false. All of his claims about the mishandling of votes/ballots were investigated and proven false. ( the 'suitcases of ballots" FALSE - the '18,000 uncounted' FALSE - it was actually 8.900 - not enough to change the election and they were mostly Biden votes anyway - ALL of those claims were vetted and proven false)
But he STILL made that call on January 2nd - so you must take all of those "vague" comments pressuring the Sec of State within the context of Trump having been informed over and over again that he lost the state straight up before he said all of that wacky garbage to the official. (and offered money under another false pretense)
This important context makes the comments and the offer of funds (bribe) a horse of a different color.
(08-28-2023, 12:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You are incorrect.
There is no correlation between the two separate false claims made by Trump.
Separate false allegations that he made about Georgia's ballot handling and counting being separately proven to be lies do not help him in any way.
If you are talking about the 8900 uncounted - they were not uncounted when he made the phone call.
They were uncounted the day after the election when he was claiming 18000 were uncounted.
Not only did he know the number was wrong, he knew that those votes were going to be 70-80% in favor of Joe Biden based on the demo of the county and his extensive and expensive "don't vote by mail" campaign.
I'm talking about YOUR statements. You said, "All of his claims about the mishandling of votes/ballots were investigated and proven false." and the 'suitcases of ballots" FALSE - the '18,000 uncounted' FALSE - it was actually 8.900. You admitted 8,900 ballots were unaccounted for, so no, not all of his claims were false. Who they were likely to be for is speculation and whether or not there were enough to change the outcome is irrelevant.
If 8,900 ballots were unaccounted for in any given district at any point in time, it is not unreasonable to believe that further discrepancies could potentially have existed in other districts. A desire to verify results, even to an excessive degree, is not a crime.
Yeah - you're reading that wrong. Sorry if it wasn't clear.
None were unaccounted for.
8,900 were
uncounted right after the election which is the norm for mail in ballots. They take longer to count.
Trump was claiming 18000 as it might help his chances if that were true.
It wasn't true.
Not only was his fabricated number double the actual number of uncounted - he knew that the vast majority of those uncounted votes would not be in his favor.
(because of the county they came from and his own disinformation campaign in GA concerning mail in ballots)
Yay! Let's cheer at this remarkable coincidence!
(08-28-2023, 05:28 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2023, 02:46 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]It's not really a conspiracy, it's just that the cops didn't investigate it, and Biden has lied about the truck driver being drunk his whole life. She pulled out in front of the truck from a stop.
The conspiracy is that another car was involved from behind or that she couldn't take Biden molesting the kids once her daughter was born. Those have no basis in facts and are just people making stuff.
Driving your wife to kill herself and trying to take the kids with her is worse than getting a divorce.
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Or, she wasn’t paying attention and pulled in front of the truck.
Twisting a tragedy into political fodder and a personal attack is as low as it gets. It doesn’t deserve mentioning.
She could have but we don't know. The truck driver said she pulled out in front of him after stopping. No real investigation being done allows for the questions to exist.
I wasn't twisting anything and there are plenty more stories involving Biden that have been covered up.
(08-28-2023, 09:41 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2023, 08:30 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Tremendous respect for this post.
It’s appreciated but no respect is necessary. Common decency is a diminished quality in these divisive times. If more people would keep that in mind the temperature might come down a bit. Some things should remain unspoken in the arena of debate.
I’m not calling out p_rushing. However, that sort of talk needs to remain in the dregs of dark internet chat rooms where it belongs.
If you don't want it brought up, don't openly lie about it every time he opens his mouth knowing the pain other people are going through. Along with his son dying in every way imaginable and in every country of the world.
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(08-28-2023, 01:41 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]You gotta be a [BLEEP] moron to think that election was fair..
No matter who wins republican or democrats, people need to stop with the sore losing and accusing the winning side of cheating. It’s not good.
(08-29-2023, 12:41 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2023, 01:41 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]You gotta be a [BLEEP] moron to think that election was fair..
No matter who wins republican or democrats, people need to stop with the sore losing and accusing the winning side of cheating. It’s not good.
It's not good to permit cheating either.
(08-29-2023, 06:07 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2023, 12:41 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]No matter who wins republican or democrats, people need to stop with the sore losing and accusing the winning side of cheating. It’s not good.
It's not good to permit cheating either.
LOL
post 1 : people need to stop being sore losers
post 2 : proceeds to be a sore loser
The only person who attempted to cheat in that election is being prosecuted for it
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