(06-14-2023, 12:48 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 12:38 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Two tierd justice systems also have two tierd prosecutions. These charges are from people who said that Trump has to appear in court to prove his innocence, instead of the court proving that a law was broken.
Is he arrogant, rude and obnoxious? Absolutely..
His policies should be the deciding factor for your vote to help us climb out of this pit of death.
Maybe others should adopt his policies and pursue The Presidency. They would have an easier path to victory.
How do his policies differ from the other Republican presidential candidates?
Great question. His answer will make a things a lot more clear...
(06-14-2023, 01:01 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 12:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No idea if this thing will end up in more than a slap on the wrist, but the depositions and text threads recovered from staff phones on this are both damning and sadly hilarious.
Trump never produced any reason for taking the docs (dozens of boxes). They were left in several locations unsecured and accessible to a long list of guests to Mar-a-Lago who should not have access. He ordered staff to move many of the boxes several times to hide them from officials coming to retrieve and/or inspect them. When his lawyers figured that out and advised against it he ordered staff to move the boxes yet again so that this one lawyer wouldn't find them.
When that lawyer showed up and there were only a small number of boxes, he asked "is this it? no more docs?" Trump lied and said "that's it" after he had JUST had his staff move most of them the night before. LOL
After this - he began traveling with several of the boxes on his plane so they wouldn't be taken by his lawyers or the archives while he was away.
There's a whole transcript of him viewing and talking about a classified military doc with a casual employee of his golf resort.
The info released thus far in this case is a comedy and also just continues to illustrate what an incompetent moron Trump has always been and continues to be.
So in your mind, is Biden worse than Trump? Or is Trump worse than Biden..
Your answer will make things a lot more clear..
But but... Biden!
(06-14-2023, 01:01 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 12:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No idea if this thing will end up in more than a slap on the wrist, but the depositions and text threads recovered from staff phones on this are both damning and sadly hilarious.
Trump never produced any reason for taking the docs (dozens of boxes). They were left in several locations unsecured and accessible to a long list of guests to Mar-a-Lago who should not have access. He ordered staff to move many of the boxes several times to hide them from officials coming to retrieve and/or inspect them. When his lawyers figured that out and advised against it he ordered staff to move the boxes yet again so that this one lawyer wouldn't find them.
When that lawyer showed up and there were only a small number of boxes, he asked "is this it? no more docs?" Trump lied and said "that's it" after he had JUST had his staff move most of them the night before. LOL
After this - he began traveling with several of the boxes on his plane so they wouldn't be taken by his lawyers or the archives while he was away.
There's a whole transcript of him viewing and talking about a classified military doc with a casual employee of his golf resort.
The info released thus far in this case is a comedy and also just continues to illustrate what an incompetent moron Trump has always been and continues to be.
So in your mind, is Biden worse than Trump? Or is Trump worse than Biden..
Your answer will make things a lot more clear..
No clue what you're even talking about.
Has Biden been hiding dozens of boxes of documents from the National Archives for several months after the Archives requested their return? Did he lie to them repeatedly about the possession of the documents and literally attempt to hide them from agents and his own lawyers?
And why the ever loving [BLEEP] do we need to compare this to anything for it to be stupid and wrong??
(06-14-2023, 01:10 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 01:01 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]So in your mind, is Biden worse than Trump? Or is Trump worse than Biden..
Your answer will make things a lot more clear..
No clue what you're even talking about.
Has Biden been hiding dozens of boxes of documents from the National Archives for several months after the Archives requested their return? Did he lie to them repeatedly about the possession of the documents and literally attempt to hide them from agents and his own lawyers?
And why the ever loving [BLEEP] do we need to compare this to anything for it to be stupid and wrong??
Was Biden supposed to even have those documents as a member of Congress or even as a Vice President?
So, you avoiding the question and being a lunatic liberal tells me that your hatred for Trump is seeded much more in root than your hatred for Biden, who is actually ruining the country instead of Trump ruining it in your own mind..
Seek help..
(06-14-2023, 01:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 12:48 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]How do his policies differ from the other Republican presidential candidates?
Great question. His answer will make a things a lot more clear...
(06-14-2023, 01:01 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]So in your mind, is Biden worse than Trump? Or is Trump worse than Biden..
Your answer will make things a lot more clear..
But but... Biden!
Biden has been an absolute loser and has done nothing good for the country.
I saw CNN the most liberal left wing network, displayed a poll that had Bidens approval rating in the 30s. Lowest by a president in his first term in 80 years.
(06-14-2023, 01:28 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 01:10 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No clue what you're even talking about.
Has Biden been hiding dozens of boxes of documents from the National Archives for several months after the Archives requested their return? Did he lie to them repeatedly about the possession of the documents and literally attempt to hide them from agents and his own lawyers?
And why the ever loving [BLEEP] do we need to compare this to anything for it to be stupid and wrong??
Was Biden supposed to even have those documents as a member of Congress or even as a Vice President?
So, you avoiding the question and being a lunatic liberal tells me that your hatred for Trump is seeded much more in root than your hatred for Biden, who is actually ruining the country instead of Trump ruining it in your own mind..
Seek help..
(06-14-2023, 01:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Great question. His answer will make a things a lot more clear...
But but... Biden!
Yes, Biden was supposed to have various documents when he was a Senator and when he was VP. The stuff Biden had, from what we know so far, was much less both in quantity and sensitivity, and he cooperated. The investigation is ongoing.
The fact that Biden is President now actually points things the other way - Presidents can be investigated, but the federal government can not subpoena them and they can't be indicted. As we learned during the Mueller investigation. As you gloated about then. Trump, not being President, can be subpoenaed and prosecuted.
(06-14-2023, 02:12 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Biden has been an absolute loser and has done nothing good for the country.
I saw CNN the most liberal left wing network, displayed a poll that had Bidens approval rating in the 30s. Lowest by a president in his first term in 80 years.
Sounds right. Trump’s approval rating was about that low too.
When two very different men get basically the same approval rating, they're not the problem. We are. Even if either Trump or Biden were totally competent, we handcuffed both of them with idiots in Congress who only want to throw bombs and snipe at each other. We need to stop blaming Presidents for this negative partisanship stuff, and stop expecting the next guy to fix it. We need to fix it. We need to change our election laws and processes to get more competent, self sacrificing people into the lower levels of government. Then and only then we might have a President able to do a really good job.
(06-14-2023, 02:13 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 01:28 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Was Biden supposed to even have those documents as a member of Congress or even as a Vice President?
So, you avoiding the question and being a lunatic liberal tells me that your hatred for Trump is seeded much more in root than your hatred for Biden, who is actually ruining the country instead of Trump ruining it in your own mind..
Seek help..
Yes, Biden was supposed to have various documents when he was a Senator and when he was VP. The stuff Biden had, from what we know so far, was much less both in quantity and sensitivity, and he cooperated. The investigation is ongoing.
The fact that Biden is President now actually points things the other way - Presidents can be investigated, but the federal government can not subpoena them and they can't be indicted. As we learned during the Mueller investigation. As you gloated about then. Trump, not being President, can be subpoenaed and prosecuted.
For having legally declassified documents hahahahahaha
![[Image: 060923-trump-1-k4hmge-jpeg.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/05VqM5Ld/060923-trump-1-k4hmge-jpeg.jpg)
Yeah, that framed cover of Time Magazine is such a detriment to the country lolololol
Go sit down hahahaha
I need to get my medical degree and start prescribing some meds around here..
Pfizer would LOVE me.. Lotsa business!!
(06-14-2023, 02:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 02:12 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Biden has been an absolute loser and has done nothing good for the country.
I saw CNN the most liberal left wing network, displayed a poll that had Bidens approval rating in the 30s. Lowest by a president in his first term in 80 years.
Sounds right. Trump’s approval rating was about that low too.
When two very different men get basically the same approval rating, they're not the problem. We are. Even if either Trump or Biden were totally competent, we handcuffed both of them with idiots in Congress who only want to throw bombs and snipe at each other. We need to stop blaming Presidents for this negative partisanship stuff, and stop expecting the next guy to fix it. We need to fix it. We need to change our election laws and processes to get more competent, self sacrificing people into the lower levels of government. Then and only then we might have a President able to do a really good job.
The biggest issue is career politicians. There needs to be term limits on both congress and the senate. Despite the excuse making, Biden may go down at the least as one of the most infective presidents in history. He was too old when elected avd way too old now. I am talking from a cognitive standpoint. He is little more than a democratic puppet.
(06-14-2023, 02:47 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]This is too good lolol
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1...9wYWA&s=19
Got to love it.
(06-14-2023, 04:54 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 02:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds right. Trump’s approval rating was about that low too.
When two very different men get basically the same approval rating, they're not the problem. We are. Even if either Trump or Biden were totally competent, we handcuffed both of them with idiots in Congress who only want to throw bombs and snipe at each other. We need to stop blaming Presidents for this negative partisanship stuff, and stop expecting the next guy to fix it. We need to fix it. We need to change our election laws and processes to get more competent, self sacrificing people into the lower levels of government. Then and only then we might have a President able to do a really good job.
The biggest issue is career politicians. There needs to be term limits on both congress and the senate. Despite the excuse making, Biden may go down at the least as one of the most infective presidents in history. He was too old when elected avd way too old now. I am talking from a cognitive standpoint. He is little more than a democratic puppet.
(06-14-2023, 02:47 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]This is too good lolol
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1...9wYWA&s=19
Got to love it.
In Congress, it's usually the new guys who are doing the bomb throwing and sniping and the old guys who have been there forever are usually sitting back and watching, doing nothing. They both need to go but for different reasons.
Tallahassee has term limits. Check your home insurance bill. Check your power bill. Term limits won't solve it.
Ranked choice voting or proportional representation are the only plausible solutions.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. We know what Trump is doing because of the level of persecution he faces. This is largely brought on by Trump, admittedly. However, we never know about other politicians because they are actually competent liars and too many of you are ok with that.
(06-14-2023, 02:20 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 02:13 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, Biden was supposed to have various documents when he was a Senator and when he was VP. The stuff Biden had, from what we know so far, was much less both in quantity and sensitivity, and he cooperated. The investigation is ongoing.
The fact that Biden is President now actually points things the other way - Presidents can be investigated, but the federal government can not subpoena them and they can't be indicted. As we learned during the Mueller investigation. As you gloated about then. Trump, not being President, can be subpoenaed and prosecuted.
For having legally declassified documents hahahahahaha
Yeah, that framed cover of Time Magazine is such a detriment to the country lolololol
Go sit down hahahaha
I need to get my medical degree and start prescribing some meds around here..
Pfizer would LOVE me.. Lotsa business!!
Winger, I hate to say it, man, but Trump is not looking good. I know Trump is saying he can declassify whatever he wants, but the evidence is starting to stack up that he knew it was classified, he didn't declassify it, and he intentionally hid it. Why? I don't know. I do believe he is being attacked by the "deep state," but he is aiding them by making bad choices. One can't simply choose just to ignore [BLEEP]. No person should be above the law.
Imagine a world where our media and DOJ were this relentless with all of our politicians. Man, we could actually have nice things again.
(06-14-2023, 06:54 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 02:20 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]For having legally declassified documents hahahahahaha
Yeah, that framed cover of Time Magazine is such a detriment to the country lolololol
Go sit down hahahaha
I need to get my medical degree and start prescribing some meds around here..
Pfizer would LOVE me.. Lotsa business!!
Winger, I hate to say it, man, but Trump is not looking good. I know Trump is saying he can declassify whatever he wants, but the evidence is starting to stack up that he knew it was classified, he didn't declassify it, and he intentionally hid it. Why? I don't know. I do believe he is being attacked by the "deep state," but he is aiding them by making bad choices. One can't simply choose just to ignore [BLEEP]. No person should be above the law.
Imagine a world where our media and DOJ were this relentless with all of our politicians. Man, we could actually have nice things again.
Then I guess he'll receive my vote while in prison.. If he's guilty of something other than what the liar democrats have said, let him rot.. But I don't think he is.. Trump has turned the moderate democrat and republican into full blown idiots with zero common sense and nothing but foaming at the mouth, gnashing of teeth hatred.
I'll never give up and I'll never give in.. You know why? Because I believe it in my heart that this is all a [BLEEP] democrat setup. They've tried before and they'll continue to try to "Get Trump". They're nothing but butthurt liars that still can't get over 2016. They can say that I'm wrong all they want. But like I said earlier, all liars.
Everything from The Steele Dossier, Mueller Report.. All of it.. They can piss off and go [BLEEP] themselves.
Trump 2024!!
(06-14-2023, 07:13 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 06:54 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Winger, I hate to say it, man, but Trump is not looking good. I know Trump is saying he can declassify whatever he wants, but the evidence is starting to stack up that he knew it was classified, he didn't declassify it, and he intentionally hid it. Why? I don't know. I do believe he is being attacked by the "deep state," but he is aiding them by making bad choices. One can't simply choose just to ignore [BLEEP]. No person should be above the law.
Imagine a world where our media and DOJ were this relentless with all of our politicians. Man, we could actually have nice things again.
Then I guess he'll receive my vote while in prison.. If he's guilty of something other than what the liar democrats have said, let him rot.. But I don't think he is.. Trump has turned the moderate democrat and republican into full blown idiots with zero common sense and nothing but foaming at the mouth, gnashing of teeth hatred.
I'll never give up and I'll never give in.. You know why? Because I believe it in my heart that this is all a [BLEEP] democrat setup. They've tried before and they'll continue to try to "Get Trump". They're nothing but butthurt liars that still can't get over 2016. They can say that I'm wrong all they want. But like I said earlier, all liars.
Everything from The Steele Dossier, Mueller Report.. All of it.. They can piss off and go [BLEEP] themselves.
Trump 2024!!
The Mueller report didn't find that Trump committed a crime. So was that a lie? Trump actually committed some crimes but Mueller lied about it?
(06-14-2023, 07:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 07:13 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Then I guess he'll receive my vote while in prison.. If he's guilty of something other than what the liar democrats have said, let him rot.. But I don't think he is.. Trump has turned the moderate democrat and republican into full blown idiots with zero common sense and nothing but foaming at the mouth, gnashing of teeth hatred.
I'll never give up and I'll never give in.. You know why? Because I believe it in my heart that this is all a [BLEEP] democrat setup. They've tried before and they'll continue to try to "Get Trump". They're nothing but butthurt liars that still can't get over 2016. They can say that I'm wrong all they want. But like I said earlier, all liars.
Everything from The Steele Dossier, Mueller Report.. All of it.. They can piss off and go [BLEEP] themselves.
Trump 2024!!
The Mueller report didn't find that Trump committed a crime. So was that a lie? Trump actually committed some crimes but Mueller lied about it?
What about the years and tax dollars spent on that [BLEEP] libtard circus that lead up to that innocent finding? I'm sure you could pull up post after post after post from Adam Schiff and company, claiming how guilty Trump really was during that whole ordeal..
(06-14-2023, 07:56 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 07:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The Mueller report didn't find that Trump committed a crime. So was that a lie? Trump actually committed some crimes but Mueller lied about it?
What about the years and tax dollars spent on that [BLEEP] libtard circus that lead up to that innocent finding? I'm sure you could pull up post after post after post from Adam Schiff and company, claiming how guilty Trump really was during that whole ordeal..
Mueller prosecuted other people in Trump's orbit. And got convictions.
(06-14-2023, 08:07 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 07:56 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]What about the years and tax dollars spent on that [BLEEP] libtard circus that lead up to that innocent finding? I'm sure you could pull up post after post after post from Adam Schiff and company, claiming how guilty Trump really was during that whole ordeal..
Mueller prosecuted other people in Trump's orbit. And got convictions.
We're not talking about other people, we're talking about the root cause of the investigation.. Trump.
(06-14-2023, 08:10 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 08:07 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Mueller prosecuted other people in Trump's orbit. And got convictions.
We're not talking about other people, we're talking about the root cause of the investigation.. Trump.
The media said Trump was the root cause, but it was Comey who started it and Jeff Sessions who continued it. And they never really said what the "root cause" was did they? Don't you keep telling me the media gets stuff wrong all the time?
(06-14-2023, 09:11 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 08:10 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]We're not talking about other people, we're talking about the root cause of the investigation.. Trump.
The media said Trump was the root cause, but it was Comey who started it and Jeff Sessions who continued it. And they never really said what the "root cause" was did they? Don't you keep telling me the media gets stuff wrong all the time?
They're more wrong than right.
(06-14-2023, 06:54 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (06-14-2023, 02:20 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]For having legally declassified documents hahahahahaha
Yeah, that framed cover of Time Magazine is such a detriment to the country lolololol
Go sit down hahahaha
I need to get my medical degree and start prescribing some meds around here..
Pfizer would LOVE me.. Lotsa business!!
Winger, I hate to say it, man, but Trump is not looking good. I know Trump is saying he can declassify whatever he wants, but the evidence is starting to stack up that he knew it was classified, he didn't declassify it, and he intentionally hid it. Why? I don't know. I do believe he is being attacked by the "deep state," but he is aiding them by making bad choices. One can't simply choose just to ignore [BLEEP]. No person should be above the law.
Imagine a world where our media and DOJ were this relentless with all of our politicians. Man, we could actually have nice things again.
Here's the thing though. Let's say Trump is guilty of lying to them, moving the docs, and whatever else the charge was.
How did they get any of these docs? They got an illegal search warrant, they then used that to get a judge to violate his attorney client privilege and get the notes and recording.
If NARA says everything is personal property, they can't force him to turn it over. The warrant and everything else becomes inadmissible. The case is then over because there is nothing left to prove anything.
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