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Quote:Bradley is 8-26. If he had a better track record I might see your point.

Screw the track record. Bring on the Colts.

Quote:Seriously you couldnt be any more wrong. The D held the pats to 13 before the bortles wobble started. We were never going to beat the pats on defense but bortles could not keep it competitive and thats what I wanted to see. Bortles had a couple of throw away tds when the game was already a blowout. But when the game was a contest he could not move the ball. Hes our leader on offense and hes unable to carry the team.

 

I thought we moved the ball OK.   Yes there were inaccurate passes...  I'm not denying that...

 

But there were critical missed catches as well.  We had 1 TD that went through the hands of Grant.  We had another drive stall out because of a sack based on a bad center/QB exchange out of the shot-gun...  And then of course the INT as we were driving the ball that resulted in the 20-3 end of half score...

 

But let's not come here and pretend we weren't moving the ball.  We were, what happened is the offense didn't execute when it needed to, and the D couldn't stop the patriots...  

 

I'm not saying BB5 played great.  I'm not sure I'm looking for his head this week either.  Let's see what happens next week...  

 

You know what else would help BB5, a coaching staff that was better at preparing these guys...  But the's for another thread and probably another few months...

Quote:I thought we moved the ball OK. Yes there were inaccurate passes... I'm not denying that...


But there were critical missed catches as well. We had 1 TD that went through the hands of Grant. We had another drive stall out because of a sack based on a bad center/QB exchange out of the shot-gun... And then of course the INT as we were driving the ball that resulted in the 20-3 end of half score...


But let's not come here and pretend we weren't moving the ball. We were, what happened is the offense didn't execute when it needed to, and the D couldn't stop the patriots...


I'm not saying BB5 played great. I'm not sure I'm looking for his head this week either. Let's see what happens next week...


You know what else would help BB5, a coaching staff that was better at preparing these guys... But the's for another thread and probably another few months...

Let's hope he can play a good game against the clots. That would be encouraging. Not gonna argue with the rest of your post. You make some good points. I just expect more from our qb.

Quote:Let's hope he can play a good game against the clots. That would be encouraging. Not gonna argue with the rest of your post. You make some good points. I just expect more from our qb.

 

No doubt...

 

There's alot to be discouraged about...  I'm not saying there isn't...  But man, it's hard to evaluate at this point...  

 

For example...  And I'm gonna put this out there and then we can discuss later, cuz I gotta get some sleep:

 

Our clock management when it comes to the play clock is still bad...  How many plays did it seem like we were rushing to either snap it, or had a false start in that game?  I mean it felt like 3 or 4 key plays were jacked up because of the play clock... 

 

How much of that is on the coaching and drilling the offense to make sure they are ready to snap within 40 seconds?  And how much of that is on a young QB that needs to get better at those situations?  I'm not sure...  But that was frustrating to watch...

 

That one sack in the first half was really bad...  You could tell BB5 was begging for the ball to be snapped, and it threw off his rythm when the ball finally got to him that he bobbled it, and down he went.  That stalled a promising drive for us...

 

I mean, these are the little things that should be executed properly.  I think part of it is on BB5, but dude, the coaches have to have these guys ready for those types of senarios, don't they?

 

It was just a disappointing game.  But I'm not ready to call it quits on BB5 (or even the coaches) quite yet.  Though, I still give more slack to the QB than I do to Bradley...  But that's just me...

Quote:Anybody who thought he looked great last week was delusional. Robinson saved him on a few throws, and he barely completed 50 percent of his passes

Who said we looked great? What is up with people constntly saying things people never said?

The Patriots secondary is not exactly the best in the league, and he made them look like the LOB.  Put me on board with those that are doubting Mr. Bortles.  I'm hoping against hope that he can be the man, but when you look at the other young QB's in the league, it's hard to rank him above any of them except maybe Jameis Winston.  Mariota looks better, Tyrod Taylor looks better.  Ugh.  Our luck with 1st round QB's is absolutely atrocious.

Quote:The Patriots secondary is not exactly the best in the league, and he made them look like the LOB.  Put me on board with those that are doubting Mr. Bortles.  I'm hoping against hope that he can be the man, but when you look at the other young QB's in the league, it's hard to rank him above any of them except maybe Jameis Winston.  Mariota looks better, Tyrod Taylor looks better.  Ugh.  Our luck with 1st round QB's is absolutely atrocious.

1st round picks in general.....

Quote:The Patriots secondary is not exactly the best in the league, and he made them look like the LOB.  Put me on board with those that are doubting Mr. Bortles.  I'm hoping against hope that he can be the man, but when you look at the other young QB's in the league, it's hard to rank him above any of them except maybe Jameis Winston.  Mariota looks better, Tyrod Taylor looks better.  Ugh.  Our luck with 1st round QB's is absolutely atrocious.

 

Is Tannehill considered a young QB? What about One TD Teddy up in Minnesota? What about Ryan Mallett? How's RGIII and Manziel doing on the bench?

Quote:1st round picks in general.....

 

As the Jaguars prove, 1st round pick doesn't make you good.

Quote:Is Tannehill considered a young QB? What about One TD Teddy up in Minnesota? What about Ryan Mallett? How's RGIII and Manziel doing on the bench?

 

It's starting to be the same with Bortles as it was with Gabbert.  We cling to the few plays he makes and say, "man, he's got it".  He throws some ugly passes and makes bad decisions.  At least he's not scared like Gabbert, but are the results any different?

Just to give Jag Fans some perspective look at John Kitnas season from 2006 with the Detroit Lions

 

62% Completion 4208 yards 21 TD 20Int 7.1 yards per attempt. Do you ever think Blink will ever have a season like that?

Quote:It's starting to be the same with Bortles as it was with Gabbert.  We cling to the few plays he makes and say, "man, he's got it".  He throws some ugly passes and makes bad decisions.  At least he's not scared like Gabbert, but are the results any different?

 

lol, good job not answering the questions.

Quote:Just to give Jag Fans some perspective look at John Kitnas season from 2006 with the Detroit Lions

 

62% Completion 4208 yards 21 TD 20Int 7.1 yards per attempt. Do you ever think Blink will ever have a season like that?

 

Considering he's on pace to have more TD's and less INT's than that this season?

This is what you get with the Timeout, give it to me now mommy or I will cry like a [BLEEP] until I get it generation.

 

The dude has played 17 friggin games with two separate systems. There should be zero trouble understanding the ups and down of this teams performances, unless of course you think Madden is real life.

Quote:lol, good job not answering the questions.

 

Some young qb's are better than Bortles, some are worse.... Doesn't make him good.  Are you happy with his play? 

Quote:Some young qb's are better than Bortles, some are worse.... Doesn't make him good.  Are you happy with his play? 

 

You said "when you look at the other young QB's in the league, it's hard to rank him above any of them except maybe Jameis Winston". So I assume you are already back tracking on that one.

Quote:You said "when you look at the other young QB's in the league, it's hard to rank him above any of them except maybe Jameis Winston". So I assume you are already back tracking on that one.

 

You are technically correct.  He is in the bottom of the barrel of young qb's in the league next to Manziel, Winston, Bridgewater, etc...  Certainly doesn't look like he even belongs with Derek Carr or Marcus Mariota. 

 

He was drafted 3rd overall..sooner or later we are going to have to compare him to how the elite qb's developed.  We drafted him to be elite, not just a so so qb. 

 

Don't pretend like you're not a little worried about the lack of progress you are seeing with him.

Quote:You are technically correct.  He is in the bottom of the barrel of young qb's in the league next to Manziel, Winston, Bridgewater, etc...  Certainly doesn't look like he even belongs with Derek Carr or Marcus Mariota. 

 

He was drafted 3rd overall..sooner or later we are going to have to compare him to how the elite qb's developed.  We drafted him to be elite, not just a so so qb. 

 

Don't pretend like you're not a little worried about the lack of progress you are seeing with him.

 

I'm not. He's better than last year. If you don't see that, I can't help you. 

Quote:You are technically correct.  He is in the bottom of the barrel of young qb's in the league next to Manziel, Winston, Bridgewater, etc...  Certainly doesn't look like he even belongs with Derek Carr or Marcus Mariota. 

 

He was drafted 3rd overall..sooner or later we are going to have to compare him to how the elite qb's developed.  We drafted him to be elite, not just a so so qb. 

 

Don't pretend like you're not a little worried about the lack of progress you are seeing with him.

I'm the opposite of worried. I am encouraged by his progress and his ability to learn a completely new system once again. He has now learned two systems in as many years. That speaks to his intelligence and football acumen, his physical traits are not even debatable. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

If you had told me in August that by the end of September, Bortles would have 5 TDs and 3 INTs, all without Julius Thomas and missing a lot of Lee, I'd be happy with that.