Quote:Bortles needs to fix the interceptions, pick 6s, and that horrid throw to JT in the endzone. The common denominator with those 3 things are interceptions. He's showing good progress, but damn. I don't even think Favre was this bad.
Lol, don't underestimate Favre's ability to throw pics! In fact in his 2nd full year he threw 24 INT's. Bortles is not on that pace. Also, he was around 3,300 yards and threw 19 TD's. Now pick sixes? That is a different story. Bortles is on a historic pace for that.
How many true 2nd year QB's have thrown for 4,000 yards? That is an interesting stat. Bortles certainly could fall off the pace and not get there, but interesting stat to know none the less. I think we remember certain QB's that are great and forget that even they had average seasons early on. Tom Brady? Probably the all time greatest QB. 3,700 yards, 28 TD's and 14 INT's. Definitely a good 2nd year, but Bortles is on pace to beat both passing and TD mark right now. Again, Bortles could tank the rest of the way, but just trying to put things in perspective. Also, Brady was in his 3rd year, but only counting 2nd full time starts.
Quote:Bortles just need to keep on improving. Numbers as we know don't tell the whole story and every game is different, but game planning and understanding the game plan has definitely played into his development. Anyways, I get what you are saying, but I think they just need to keep doing what they have been with him. For all the criticism this coaching staff overall has received and much of it deserved, Olson to my surprise has been good for Bortles development. I was not a big fan of the signing.
If we could just pass protect a little better and get some semblance of a running game, we'd be a scary team to face. Oh, and if our D would be able to stop an offense. Kinda need the D to do something at some point in the somewhat near-ish future.
The QB is only in his 2nd year with his 2nd OC / playbook with young WRs that make a lot of drops despite the potential, no real run game and still a very weak OLine (especially at LT)...
I guess what I am saying is give the guy a break...
If in his 3 year with the new HC & new OC he looks bad then start talking about drafting a QB in 2017.. but Blake has showed enough potential and great things to get another year starting at QB..
Quote:Bortles is the best player on this team and its not even close. This team can't pick up more than a yard running the ball unless its Blake running. The defense is a joke getting lit up by every pathetic offense in the league. No pass rush, no run defense, and no one can cover.
Yep. I said after a preseason game this year that I thought for the first time in forever that the offense is going to be better than the defense.
Bortles is the man. We have been dying for a good QB for so long, now we have one and people wanna cry. The problem is no one around here is used to having a gunslinger for a QB...we are all so used to 2800 yards and 16 TDS a season from our signal caller that no one knows how to handle the mistakes that come with throwing the ball all over the place. Particularly when you have no defense, no running game, and a bad head coach.
When was the last time we had a QB throw for back to back 300 yard games? Almost 3 in a row, 298 at Indy.
Or for that matter even had 7 TDs in 2 games rushing or passing lol
Well... despite a few on the internet, the overall thinking is Caldwell has done a decent enough job.
He'll get his shot with a 2nd coach.
3 of Caldwell's first rounders
Joker (improving despite criticism, it seems Beadles is a weaker link)
Bortles (possible franchise QB, long term manager at worst)
Fowler (injured in training camp, jury out)
Sure he's had some misses (Gerhart, the aforementioned Beadles, Watson)
but even his draft "misses" haven't been terrible Alualu and Gabbert swings.
his contracts have left this team in good position to spend more each offseason.
If a new coach regime takes over... I'm confident in this team having ENOUGH talent to add to, without needing a restart/rebuild.
QB, WR, and most of the Oline is in good condition.
JT gives us a threat at TE we've never had. And Yeldon should be a real good RB for a few years at least.
The defense is lacking especially the pass rush and it shows, hopefully Fowler adds to it, but the secondary is very much a work in progress and the LB corp could use a boost too.
Can't say we are "set" at any position on D like we can say about offense.
But in 3 drafts and offseasons Caldwell blew up a roster and made it competitive, and has left many believing coaching isn't getting the most out of the roster.
The defense (yet again) is the reason we're losing games.
I know Bortles can't throw INTs, especially pick sixes... but he isn't quite ready to put the team on his shoulders by himself.
not yet...
lol Bortles is our best player and the only reason these games have been close.
Imagine he actually has a running game and we can use play action. Imagine this team gets a turnover for once and Blake gets good field position. Imagine we have players who don't drop the the ball when it hits their hands.
He is obviously without his own faults but if you think he's the problem, you couldn't be more wrong.
Quote:Bring back Gabbert
lol im sorry this is funny! More funnier then starting Chad!
Since Baconator is so into situational stats, I wonder why he doesn't mention Blake's 96.6 qb rating when he's ahead in games?
Quote:Since Baconator is so into situational stats, I wonder why he doesn't mention Blake's 96.6 qb rating when he's ahead in games?
If this stat is true than it is very interesting considering so many want to act like he is constantly peeing games away.
Quote:Since Baconator is so into situational stats, I wonder why he doesn't mention Blake's 96.6 qb rating when he's ahead in games?
Because the team has only 1 win and Bortles has never lead the team to a road victory. A measure of a great QB is not how he performs when the breaks are going his way and the offense is in rhythm. Its how he responds when the chips are stacked against them, the team is struggling, and how he handles adversity. I think that is what makes Luck so special. So long as he is the QB and there is time on the clock, the team never feels like it is out of a game because he has continuously demonstrated the ability to bounce back and raise the team when it needs him most. Bortles is the anti-Luck in this regard, and I have already cited the stats how Bortles responds in similar situations of adversity.
Quote:Since Baconator is so into situational stats, I wonder why he doesn't mention Blake's 96.6 qb rating when he's ahead in games?
Ouch.....so he's actually better in high pressure situations like he was in college. Also, better stats in first half vs garbage time. The haters just aren't too bright
Quote:Because the team has only 1 win and Bortles has never lead the team to a road victory. A measure of a great QB is not how he performs when the breaks are going his way and the offense is in rhythm. Its how he responds when the chips are stacked against them, the team is struggling, and how he handles adversity. I think that is what makes Luck so special. So long as he is the QB and there is time on the clock, the team never feels like it is out of a game because he has continuously demonstrated the ability to bounce back and raise the team when it needs him most. Bortles is the anti-Luck in this regard, and I have already cited the stats how Bortles responds in similar situations of adversity.
Nobody cares about your opinion. When Mariota is 4th in TD passes and 5th in passing yards NEXT YEAR, come back. In the meantime, see ya bye!
Quote:Nobody cares about your opinion. When Mariota is 4th in TD passes and 5th in passing yards NEXT YEAR, come back. In the meantime, see ya bye!
If no one cares, why does everyone keep referencing my name in every thread and responding to my posts. Admit it, I'm growing on you :thumbsup:
It's because you post idiotic comments. Some people go too far with it for sure but a part of it is warranted.
Quote:It's because you post idiotic comments. Some people go too far with it for sure but a part of it is warranted.
Show me what I have said that is so idiotic in comparison and attack the post, not my intelligence. If the post is so obviously wrong, it should be easy to point out why.
Quote:Show me what I have said that is so idiotic in comparison and attack the post, not my intelligence. If the post is so obviously wrong, it should be easy to point out why.
Well for me it's just that it seems like you are trying so hard to be right about bortles being bad. Someone will post a stat and you just dismiss it because it's a projection ect. Like we are far enough into the season where the projection has significance. He might end up with 3700 and 28 td and that would still be a great year. It's just annoying for people when someone is so drastically against something and seems to throw out everyone's comment that don't meet your opinions. There's a bunch of people that are too harsh to you and others however. There's a lot of people that are too positive about everything and can't look at any negatives and that isn't good either. I personally enjoy thoughtful discussion that isn't just someone having an agenda and that nothing anyone could say could change their mind even if it makes a lot of sense.
Quote:Well for me it's just that it seems like you are trying so hard to be right about bortles being bad. Someone will post a stat and you just dismiss it because it's a projection ect. Like we are far enough into the season where the projection has significance. He might end up with 3700 and 28 td and that would still be a great year. It's just annoying for people when someone is so drastically against something and seems to throw out everyone's comment that don't meet your opinions. There's a bunch of people that are too harsh to you and others however. There's a lot of people that are too positive about everything and can't look at any negatives and that isn't good either. I personally enjoy thoughtful discussion that isn't just someone having an agenda and that nothing anyone could say could change their mind even if it makes a lot of sense.
I didn't ignore them, I provided counterexamples of why projections are meaningless. No one attempted to demonstrate in a principled way how they can become meaningful, or how to put the stats into the appropriate context. It's just, well these numbers of all times greats are similar to a projection (something that hasn't happened yet) so he must be on the same trajectory and you're an idiot if you disagree. I never deflected points or purposely turned the focus of the argument, its always them who resort to personal attacks.
Quote:I didn't ignore them, I provided counterexamples of why projections are meaningless. No one attempted to demonstrate in a principled way how they can become meaningful, or how to put the stats into the appropriate context. It's just, well these numbers of all times greats are similar to a projection (something that hasn't happened yet) so he must be on the same trajectory and you're an idiot if you disagree. I never deflected points or purposely turned the focus of the argument, its always them who resort to personal attacks.
The projections for Bortles have actually improved EVERY week since Week 2. None of your OPINION is ever backed up with fact. 4 out of 6 of Bortles games, he has a 80 or above QB rating. He's clearly exceeding expectations. No ONE thought Bortles would be 4th in TD passes and 6th in yards at this point in the season.
6 out of 16 games is 37.5% of the season....clearly projections are meaningful. If you don't think so, please join my fantasy league, I will wax you.
Quote:Well for me it's just that it seems like you are trying so hard to be right about bortles being bad. Someone will post a stat and you just dismiss it because it's a projection ect. Like we are far enough into the season where the projection has significance. He might end up with 3700 and 28 td and that would still be a great year. It's just annoying for people when someone is so drastically against something and seems to throw out everyone's comment that don't meet your opinions. There's a bunch of people that are too harsh to you and others however. There's a lot of people that are too positive about everything and can't look at any negatives and that isn't good either. I personally enjoy thoughtful discussion that isn't just someone having an agenda and that nothing anyone could say could change their mind even if it makes a lot of sense.
Well said!! Right now I believe we have great receivers, and a quarterback showing more than enough promise. Is he a finished product? Definitely not, still some fixing to do there. Is he Tom Brady? No! Can he be great, if he continues to work hard? I believe he's shown top 10 qb potential, and not backup potential like that hit and run trolling Wendy's greasy sandwich claims.