Bortles is the best player on this team and its not even close. This team can't pick up more than a yard running the ball unless its Blake running. The defense is a joke getting lit up by every pathetic offense in the league. No pass rush, no run defense, and no one can cover.
Quote:Bortles is the best player on this team and its not even close. This team can't pick up more than a yard running the ball unless its Blake running. The defense is a joke getting lit up by every pathetic offense in the league. No pass rush, no run defense, and no one can cover.
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Bortles is a gamer. He's inaccurate and makes bad decisions, but he also makes something out of nothing and appears to be a good leader. I like his progression from year 1 to year 2.
Quote:Bortles is a gamer. He's inaccurate and makes bad decisions, but he also makes something out of nothing and appears to be a good leader. I like his progression from year 1 to year 2.
I really think if they just let him focus on fundamentals the 2nd half of the season that it could bode well for us next season.
There's no reason to stress too much over game planning for this season.
Have him focus on the basics and go from there.
His accuracy is still below par. The passes he does complete often make routine catches difficult, and overall for all his yardage this season he is 30th in the league in completion percentage. He's actually at a lower percentage than last season.
He's in his 2nd season.....
He is not the problem.
Quote:Bortles is a gamer. He's inaccurate and makes bad decisions, but he also makes something out of nothing and appears to be a good leader. I like his progression from year 1 to year 2.
Was the Julius Thomas INT (one in 2nd half) on him or Julius? Seems like he expected Julius to be somewhere he wasn't and Julius turned around late like he did in the 1st half. Also, not too concerned about INT at end of game. We had little time left especially after Lewis' bone headed play not running out of bounds and was trying to make something happen.
Quote:His accuracy is still below par. The passes he does complete often make routine catches difficult, and overall for all his yardage this season he is 30th in the league in completion percentage. He's actually at a lower percentage than last season.
That is fair. He also makes some sensational throws. That one off his back foot getting away from pressure to Julius can only be made by a few QB's. Also, our offense is extremely predictable as far as pass vs run. Bortles has to overcome our non existent running game. No one fears the run and this is part of the reason teams are able to get so much pressure on him. I think hey may have gotten out of 4 or 5 sacks with his feet. Even his throwaways were big plays because many QB's wouldn't have been able to get away. He also broke JJ Watt's ankles... hey, have to enjoy the small victories. But he just has some of those bone headed decisions that are perplexing like the INT when trying to fit it into JT. He made so many good decisions all half long and that throw just came out of nowhere. You have to get 3 points out of that and why throw low when JT's best asset is his height and catching radius. It is just some of the bad we will have to take with the good, for now... I do think he is improving on decision making, but he is having to throw a lot of passes every week.
Quote:I really think if they just let him focus on fundamentals the 2nd half of the season that it could bode well for us next season.
There's no reason to stress too much over game planning for this season.
Have him focus on the basics and go from there.
I think I get what your saying, but I don't think it's really possible to just focus on fundamentals. if the coaches don't game plan and scheme properly, then they pin their ears back and jump all our routes.
You got to scheme and game plan and try to take advantage of thier weaknesses and add new wrinkles to get them off balance.
If you don't game plan, BB5 and this offense will begin to look worse and worse as the season goes on.
Biggest problem is sometimes Bortles *knows* where he's going with the ball before the snap and then just flat out forces it there. Happened with the pick in the endzone as well as on the play where Arob got hurt.
Quote:That is fair. He also makes some sensational throws. That one off his back foot getting away from pressure to Julius can only be made by a few QB's. Also, our offense is extremely predictable as far as pass vs run. Bortles has to overcome our non existent running game. No one fears the run and this is part of the reason teams are able to get so much pressure on him. I think hey may have gotten out of 4 or 5 sacks with his feet. Even his throwaways were big plays because many QB's wouldn't have been able to get away. He also broke JJ Watt's ankles... hey, have to enjoy the small victories. But he just has some of those bone headed decisions that are perplexing like the INT when trying to fit it into JT. He made so many good decisions all half long and that throw just came out of nowhere. You have to get 3 points out of that and why throw low when JT's best asset is his height and catching radius. It is just some of the bad we will have to take with the good, for now... I do think he is improving on decision making, but he is having to throw a lot of passes every week.
Totally agree. We're still very predictable in terms of whether were gonna run or pass. That needs to be corrected.
The other thing I want to mention, just to add to what you're saying, we're constantly in 3rd and long situations and BB5 is always asked to bail us out. It's amazing how successfull he is considering everything he has to deal with. Yes there are still some passes he's leaving on the table, so to speak. But man, I think he's still doing a heck of a great job. He's not perfect yet. But he's close. There are 5-7 passes each game he is still missing or making poor decisions on. But there's about 25-30 passes that he looks like a legitimate top 10 QB.
Quote:Totally agree. We're still very predictable in terms of whether were gonna run or pass. That needs to be corrected.
The other thing I want to mention, just to add to what you're saying, we're constantly in 3rd and long situations and BB5 is always asked to bail us out. It's amazing how successfull he is considering everything he has to deal with. Yes there are still some passes he's leaving on the table, so to speak. But man, I think he's still doing a heck of a great job. He's not perfect yet. But he's close. There are 5-7 passes each game he is still missing or making poor decisions on. But there's about 25-30 passes that he looks like a legitimate top 10 QB.
Yes and some really, really amazing throws. I don't necessarily think elite QB's make amazing throws. Elite QB's make the easy throws consistently and make the hard throws look easy and routine. So just because Bortles makes plays even elite QB's can't make he won't be in that upper echelon until his bad decisions are uncommon and he becomes more consistent. Right now his bad decision making has been his biggest down fall.
Remember when they said we were going to be a run first team. Well, when you can't run the ball you have to pass it 50 times a game. When you have to throw 50 passes a game the defense doesn't play the run and blankets your receivers. It's amazing he's completed as many passes as he has.
Quote:Bortles is the best player on this team and its not even close. This team can't pick up more than a yard running the ball unless its Blake running. The defense is a joke getting lit up by every pathetic offense in the league. No pass rush, no run defense, and no one can cover.
It's the truth. He's not good enough yet to carry a bad team, but he's clearly the only thing the team has going for it right now. He's the reason the team will have a shot at a real head coach this time around, too. Coaches like walking into a situation where they already have the franchise QB on the roster, makes it all much easier. The Jaguars head coaching job will be a real plum job once they tell Gus to hit the road.
Bortles is the only reason I'm still even watching anymore. I just hope we don't ruin him by surrounding him with average talent and an idiot for a head coach.
Quote:I think I get what your saying, but I don't think it's really possible to just focus on fundamentals. if the coaches don't game plan and scheme properly, then they pin their ears back and jump all our routes.
You got to scheme and game plan and try to take advantage of thier weaknesses and add new wrinkles to get them off balance.
If you don't game plan, BB5 and this offense will begin to look worse and worse as the season goes on.
You're right...I'm just saying to spend less time game planning and a little more working on the basics. Call it a "learning season" if you will and throw all the worries of winning out the window. This season is over. Let's just get the players on the team better for next year.
Quote:Bortles is the best player on this team and its not even close. This team can't pick up more than a yard running the ball unless its Blake running. The defense is a joke getting lit up by every pathetic offense in the league. No pass rush, no run defense, and no one can cover.
Yep, and for all those "over Bortles" posters: How would you like to have had Chad Henne out there all season long?
I hope you have not forgotten what it was like when he was in there for those 2 1/2 games last year. Just in case, it was 30-0 clots at the half of the Jags/clots game in Jax.
Bortles needs to fix the interceptions, pick 6s, and that horrid throw to JT in the endzone. The common denominator with those 3 things are interceptions. He's showing good progress, but damn. I don't even think Favre was this bad.
Quote:You're right...I'm just saying to spend less time game planning and a little more working on the basics. Call it a "learning season" if you will and throw all the worries of winning out the window. This season is over. Let's just get the players on the team better for next year.
Bortles just need to keep on improving. Numbers as we know don't tell the whole story and every game is different, but game planning and understanding the game plan has definitely played into his development. Anyways, I get what you are saying, but I think they just need to keep doing what they have been with him. For all the criticism this coaching staff overall has received and much of it deserved, Olson to my surprise has been good for Bortles development. I was not a big fan of the signing.
Quote:Bortles needs to fix the interceptions, pick 6s, and that horrid throw to JT in the endzone. The common denominator with those 3 things are interceptions. He's showing good progress, but damn. I don't even think Favre was this bad.
I'm old enough to remember Favre's first (or maybe it was his second) year in GB. I didn't watch all his games, but I was a huge Dolphin fan back then. Marino was still the Dolphins QB.
Anyways, Favre looked aweful out there against the dolphins. There were like 3 balls that Favre just threw right at a Dolphin defender cuz he was always trying to squeeze a pass into an impossible window.
I see that in BB5 sometimes. Especially that JT80 int at the end of the 2nd half. Man, that's all I was thinking about when I saw the replay. BB5 just had confidence he could squeeze it in there. I think he'll figure it out over time.