Quote:I've always been old school when it comes to rookie qbs. I was in the camp that wanted Blaine to sit. Let alone bortles. I'm not in that camp that wanted him to start right away. Sorry to disappoint you but Blake would've barley been starting his second game if it was up to me. But now it looks like we have a shell shocked scared inaccurate qb.
I don't see Blake looking "shell shocked" one bit. I take it you're talking about his being a little conservative? I know he's run out of the pocket a few times, but every time it's been for good reason. He's not shying away or looking at the pass rush or anything like that. He's standing firm and delivering the ball. You can't seriously tell me you'd start Henne this week?
Quote:I don't see Blake looking "shell shocked" one bit. I take it you're talking about his being a little conservative? I know he's run out of the pocket a few times, but every time it's been for good reason. He's not shying away or looking at the pass rush or anything like that. He's standing firm and delivering the ball. You can't seriously tell me you'd start Henne this week?
I think if anything Blake held onto the ball too much in the second half and his reluctance to take off hurt him. The entire offense crumbled after the pick 6, nobody looked open and the blocking wasn't holding up. I like that Blake stood tall in the pocket but eventually he needs to put that insane athleticism to use and avoid sacks and make plays out of nothing like we know he is capable. Cam had a rough game for the most part but he keyed some late drives by escaping sacks and improvising. I think Blake's reluctance to improvise stemmed from a loss of confidence after the pick 6 and he started to play tight. He missed some throws in the first half but he challenged the defense at least and the difference in results between the two halves were very apparent.
Quote: Ok bro I hear you but just in the small paragraph look at the names of the QB's Peyton, Rivers, Romo, Flacco. Are we really going to put Blake in that category. The bottom line is you never take top 5 picks on Qb's that are projects like we did, and I believe we will be burned yet again for it. I haven't seen 1 think BB5 has done to make me go Yea hes good. Remember when Justin Blackmon stepped on the field remember how he instant made people better don't see that with Blake.
LOL, were you in a coma right before the 2nd half ended? You're ridiculous.
Look, it's cool. I know it's easier to write someone off instead of waiting a few more months... But you should give it a chance. BB5 had a pretty bad game. There's no doubt of it.
But that 2 minute drill proves he has it. On top of that, even in his rookie year, we were moving the ball and sustaining drives in the 1st half of almost every game. The fact that we have no idea how to actually make adjustments and call plays doesn't take away the fact that BB5 has flashed that he can be a franchise QB.
To say otherwise makes me wonder if you actually watch the games... Or if you do watch the games, you are so drunk that you really don't remember everything that you watched...
Quote:I don't see Blake looking "shell shocked" one bit. I take it you're talking about his being a little conservative? I know he's run out of the pocket a few times, but every time it's been for good reason. He's not shying away or looking at the pass rush or anything like that. He's standing firm and delivering the ball. You can't seriously tell me you'd start Henne this week?
Agreed, he didn't look shell shocked at all, either in week 1 or any game his rookie year. The guy is tough. He's taken some hard hits, and he continue to stand in the pocket.
What it looks like to me is that he's tight. He's griping too hard, trying to much, whatever you want to say... But he needs to loosen up. If he can relax and trust what he's seeing, I think he'll begin really improving.
(Edit: It would also help if his dang WRs would bail him out and catch a ball every now and then...)
Quote:I don't see Blake looking "shell shocked" one bit. I take it you're talking about his being a little conservative? I know he's run out of the pocket a few times, but every time it's been for good reason. He's not shying away or looking at the pass rush or anything like that. He's standing firm and delivering the ball. You can't seriously tell me you'd start Henne this week?
Maybe he was tight. Either way his confidence is at a low. Can we agree on that? But I have to say that was the worst I've seen him. Hopefully he can string together some good games. What's done is done I'm not calling for anyone other than bortles to lead this team. Jags go as far as bortles takes them. No choice now.
Quote:Did you not see all the Panthers fans going off in here about how they had a top five defense? I don't know if that's true, but that's not a shabby defense he was up against, and things went downhill quickly after Sam Young was forced to enter the game. As for the pick six, did you fail to notice how many qbs have thrown one so far this season? It wasn't just Blake. Several qbs had a miscue for a score from Winston to Flacco to Peyton in both games to Rivers to Romo (pick six was reversed on replay with defender ruled down at the one) to Foles (fumble lost for a TD).
Anyone that thinks the panthers have a top 5 defense is high or living in 2003. Their defense was only adequate. Against a real NFL offense the effort they put forth last week would have gotten the panthers beat down.
I re-watched the game today. Normally, I re-watch the Monday after but this one took awhile to get past. With that said, I'm actually encouraged after watching it. I know it's an excuse to say "they didn't beat us, we beat ourselves" but that is exactly what happened last week against the Panthers. There were 3 critical drops that really changed the complexion of the first half. Also the OL actually played pretty well until Joeckel went down with the injury and then it got ugly. I know that will not align well with the opinions of the folks that consider LJ a bust but there you go. Our defense played really well except for a couple missed tackles and one really bad missed coverage in the first half (thankfully Ginn had even worse hands than A-Rob that day). I think they'll tighten it up tomorrow. This team will get to 7 or 8 wins, especially when we get some of our many injured starters back in the lineup.
What killed the Jaguars was that half-a-quarter drive the Panthers went on around the start of the fourth quarter. What I noticed re-watching the cut-ups for the game is that they effectively dinked and dunked the Jaguars to death. What they was to mix in some nice mid-range passes along with running the ball for three to four yards a pop. The thing is, if there was one primary runner on these plays it was Cam himself who had several short pops right up the middle on the drive. Aside from him each of their RBs got like one or two carries.
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Quote:What killed the Jaguars was that half-a-quarter drive the Panthers went on around the start of the fourth quarter. What I noticed re-watching the cut-ups for the game is that they effectively dinked and dunked the Jaguars to death. What they was to mix in some nice mid-range passes along with running the ball for three to four yards a pop. The thing is, if there was one primary runner on these plays it was Cam himself who had several short pops right up the middle on the drive. Aside from him each of their RBs got like one or two carries.
You're buying way too much into that last drive as killing the Jaguars. What has killed the Jaguars was mediocre drafting and poor coaching. The team just isn't good enough to compete in a home game with a team that realistically would be a 4-6 win team in any decent division. The Jaguars aren't just bad, they're still really bad, and the fact that they're still really bad is quite the indictment on the current management.
Quote:You're buying way too much into that last drive as killing the Jaguars. What has killed the Jaguars was mediocre drafting and poor coaching. The team just isn't good enough to compete in a home game with a team that realistically would be a 4-6 win team in any decent division. The Jaguars aren't just bad, they're still really bad, and the fact that they're still really bad is quite the indictment on the current management.
We're still making up for about a decade of bad drafting, but I feel like Caldwell's last two drafts were just about as good as he could have done even with hindsight. I know some point to the Fowler injury, but how do you project that? If anything one might project that Amari Cooper would be in for a guaranteed hamstring injury in his rookie offseason here.
Quote:We're still making up for about a decade of bad drafting, but I feel like Caldwell's last two drafts were just about as good as he could have done even with hindsight. I know some point to the Fowler injury, but how do you project that? If anything one might project that Amari Cooper would be in for a guaranteed hamstring injury in his rookie offseason here.
A decade of bad drafting has an effect, but there are two problems with what you're saying. First is that the team is still horrificly bad, so bad it got physically whooped by a bad team at home last week. Losing by double digits to other bottom feeders is a bad indication of the quality of the team assembled so far. Second is that this is the era of free agency. A team doesn't have to just stick with whatever they can get in years of poor drafts. The Jaguars have had plenty of cap space and a wealthy owner. The problems we're seeing right now aren't because the team couldn't be decent under the circumstances surrounding them, the problems we're seeing right now seem to be because Gus and Dave think "it's built."
The problem with Fowler isn't that he's injured, he's symbolic of everything wrong with the way Dave Caldwell approaches the draft. Need drafting is for bad teams that stay bad. When you come to the draft and say "we need an impact player at DE" you're not necessarily going to get one by selecting one, sometimes it's a bad year for DEs, in which case you need to take the great player at WR or DT, because we're finding out right now that the Jaguars aren't nearly as "set" at WR as people were thinking at draft time.
And yet people think that we have a franchise QB and the arrow
Is pointing upward. The Jags have been stuck in neutral for 10 years
Quote:And yet people think that we have a franchise QB and the arrow
Is pointing upward. The Jags have been stuck in neutral for 10 years
lol
Quote:A decade of bad drafting has an effect, but there are two problems with what you're saying. First is that the team is still horrificly bad, so bad it got physically whooped by a bad team at home last week. Losing by double digits to other bottom feeders is a bad indication of the quality of the team assembled so far. Second is that this is the era of free agency. A team doesn't have to just stick with whatever they can get in years of poor drafts. The Jaguars have had plenty of cap space and a wealthy owner. The problems we're seeing right now aren't because the team couldn't be decent under the circumstances surrounding them, the problems we're seeing right now seem to be because Gus and Dave think "it's built."
The problem with Fowler isn't that he's injured, he's symbolic of everything wrong with the way Dave Caldwell approaches the draft. Need drafting is for bad teams that stay bad. When you come to the draft and say "we need an impact player at DE" you're not necessarily going to get one by selecting one, sometimes it's a bad year for DEs, in which case you need to take the great player at WR or DT, because we're finding out right now that the Jaguars aren't nearly as "set" at WR as people were thinking at draft time.
Our WRs look fine.
I'm officially laughing at this idiotic thread now.
Blake is going to be good. He's still raw as hell but has a ton of potential.
Quote:Bortles is who we thought he is one of the worst QB in the NFL
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Quote:You liked those drops in the second half, did you? Oh, wait, like a typical moron you opened your mouth too fast. A team can never have enough great WRs.
Lol! You think two drops by our rookie 4th receiver who was a 5th rd pick makes your point? And I guess those clutch catches by Lee and Hurns on the game winning drive was in all of our imaginations too.
You've got no room to be calling anyone a moron.
Quote:Lol! You think two drops by our rookie 4th receiver who was a 5th rd pick makes your point? And I guess those clutch catches by Lee and Hurns on the game winning drive was in all of our imaginations too.
You've got no room to be calling anyone a moron.
Please. Like I said, you can never have enough great WRs.