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You actually believe any of the RNC candidates bar Trump could win against Hillary? Who? They are all beta pushovers and will be blown away by an extremely aggressive media.
You actually think Trump won't be laughed off the stage once people learn of his past decisions and positions? People are just enjoying the show. Other than a few yahoos I don't see Trump getting much serious support.
If you think Trump is the GOP's best hope I suspect you study up on politics a lot more.
The fact that Donald Trump is able to bounce back after insulting McCain & remaining at top of the polls makes me think he is a real candidate. That or other candidates will start to realize that the American people are tired of the policy on illegals in this country.
Quote:The fact that Donald Trump is able to bounce back after insulting McCain & remaining at top of the polls makes me think he is a real candidate. That or other candidates will start to realize that the American people are tired of the policy on illegals in this country.
That's not why Trump is ahead.
I wonder if Trump were to become president (which he won't), if he would keep up the constant insults. He's 69 years old and throws around words like "idiot", "moron" and "stupid". He sounds like a middle school bully.
Quote:You actually think Trump won't be laughed off the stage once people learn of his past decisions and positions? People are just enjoying the show. Other than a few yahoos I don't see Trump getting much serious support.
If you think Trump is the GOP's best hope I suspect you study up on politics a lot more.
People said the same about Obama and that Hillary was a lock.
But you claim to know more than me about politics, so please provide me your wisdom on what makes you believe Trump isn't a serious candidate and how the current set of establishment GOP candidates could even possibly take Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Virginia from Hillary Clinton, all the while demographically Republicans are losing millions of potential voters by the year.
Quote:That's not why Trump is ahead.
It is part of it.
Quote:I wonder if Trump were to become president (which he won't), if he would keep up the constant insults. He's 69 years old and throws around words like "idiot", "moron" and "stupid". He sounds like a middle school bully.
"He is a bully" isn't a reason someone shouldn't be electable. It isn't about how you say it, but what you say you will do. He could be the biggest butthead out there, but it wouldn't matter if he could turn around the debt, fix social services, and lower unemployment. Not voting for someone because "muh feelings" is juvenile.
Quote:People said the same about Obama and that Hillary was a lock.
But you claim to know more than me about politics, so please provide me your wisdom on what makes you believe Trump isn't a serious candidate and how the current set of establishment GOP candidates could even possibly take Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Virginia from Hillary Clinton, all the while demographically Republicans are losing millions of potential voters by the year.
It is part of it.
"He is a bully" isn't a reason someone shouldn't be electable. It isn't about how you say it, but what you say you will do. He could be the biggest butthead out there, but it wouldn't matter if he could turn around the debt, fix social services, and lower unemployment. Not voting for him because "muh feelings" is juvenile.
Donald Trump isn't a serious candidate because he's only interested in the attention. Let's not forget that he once called Bill Clinton one of his favorite Presidents, and now has been calling Reagan one of his favorite candidates instead. Once the fields gets narrowed down, you'll see Trump bow out at the right moment. I'd be surprised if he's the Republican Nominee.
Why isn't it a reason someone shouldn't be unelectable? Foreign policy is a pretty big deal, and if you're going to have a bully who's going to have a hard time getting along with foreign leaders, that's a pretty good reason not to vote for someone.
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"He is a bully" isn't a reason someone shouldn't be electable. It isn't about how you say it, but what you say you will do. He could be the biggest butthead out there, but it wouldn't matter if he could turn around the debt, fix social services, and lower unemployment. Not voting for someone because "muh feelings" is juvenile.
What are you talking about?
Quote:Donald Trump isn't a serious candidate because he's only interested in the attention. Let's not forget that he once called Bill Clinton one of his favorite Presidents, and now has been calling Reagan one of his favorite candidates instead. Once the fields gets narrowed down, you'll see Trump bow out at the right moment. I'd be surprised if he's the Republican Nominee.
Why isn't it a reason someone shouldn't be unelectable? Foreign policy is a pretty big deal, and if you're going to have a bully who's going to have a hard time getting along with foreign leaders, that's a pretty good reason not to vote for someone.
Do you have a source or citation claiming Trump is doing it just for the attention?
He also said he buttered up any politician to gain an advantage in business deals. He doesn't deny that.
Also, what makes you think Trump cannot handle foreign policy? He is an global business icon. He works with private and public entities around the world. What he does works for him, so why cant he make it work as president? Has he given you anything for you to doubt him about it?
Quote:People said the same about Obama and that Hillary was a lock.
But you claim to know more than me about politics, so please provide me your wisdom on what makes you believe Trump isn't a serious candidate and how the current set of establishment GOP candidates could even possibly take Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Virginia from Hillary Clinton, all the while demographically Republicans are losing millions of potential voters by the year.
We're not even out of spring training and you have the head of the Know Nothing Party winning the presidency? Just wait until the real election season begins and people start paying attention. Does anyone know where Trump stands on any policy (do you?) - other than he seems to fit the age-old stereotype of a Republican: a rich, racist blowhard. You tell me which state he will carry that Obama won in '12.
The electoral map is going to be very tough for Republicans as it is. Nominating someone seen as a clown is not going to help close the gap. Hillary goes to bed every night thanking the Lord for Donald Trump.
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Guess which presidential candidate from this young century he reminds me of. Just guess. I'll give you a hint: they are both a product of the same media machine.
Since no one guessed:
Al Sharpton.
When he was in the running in 2004, I was waiting for someone to speak up and state that Sharpton was unworthy to be on stage with his fellow Democrats. Amazingly, no one did. And they lost the election.
The Republicans are smart not to take the Trump nonsense, and the candidates putting as much distance between themselves and Trump are setting themselves up for the long-term battle for the presidency. The Democrats are hoping Trump stays relevant as long as possible, bloodying his fellow candidates, and further endorsing the image of the party, deserved or not, as a bunch of mean, crappy, rich, selfish old white men, their wives and kids, and people who worship the almighty dollar.
He seems to have no concept of how international negotiations actually work, harbors a bizarre concept of how immigration works, and seems to think that personal wealth is an automatic marker for success in public office. And these are just what we've found out about his ideas.
Just wait until his personal life goes under scrutiny.
Someone big and strong needs to jump on the Trump grenade before it explodes and takes the party down. And believe me, it won't be a Democrat to do it.
Quote:Does anyone know where Trump stands on any policy (do you?) - other than he seems to fit the age-old stereotype of a Republican: a rich, racist blowhard.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm
Quote:Since no one guessed:
Al Sharpton.
When he was in the running in 2004, I was waiting for someone to speak up and state that Sharpton was unworthy to be on stage with his fellow Democrats. Amazingly, no one did. And they lost the election.
The Republicans are smart not to take the Trump nonsense, and the candidates putting as much distance between themselves and Trump are setting themselves up for the long-term battle for the presidency. The Democrats are hoping Trump stays relevant as long as possible, bloodying his fellow candidates, and further endorsing the image of the party, deserved or not, as a bunch of mean, crappy, rich, selfish old white men, their wives and kids, and people who worship the almighty dollar.
He seems to have no concept of how international negotiations actually work, harbors a bizarre concept of how immigration works, and seems to think that personal wealth is an automatic marker for success in public office. And these are just what we've found out about his ideas.
Just wait until his personal life goes under scrutiny.
Someone big and strong needs to jump on the Trump grenade before it explodes and takes the party down. And believe me, it won't be a Democrat to do it.
Do you have Al Sharptons poll numbers for 2003?
What exactly has Trump said that is anti-conservative in value?
What makes you believe he cant negotiate internationally? That he wasn't a politician? News flash, some of our most successful presidents weren't internationally negotiating career politicians.
Every single candidate running, democrat or republican, is filthy rich and white, except for Ben Carson. Trump talks about his status because he is proud about his wealth and accomplishments. He doesn't have political success to talk about because he isn't a politician, so he talks about his business success, internationally and domestically.
Meanwhile, establishment candidates are plotting to boycott the first debate because of Trump. Amazing.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/...m-debates/
Who could possibly vote for these spineless cowards over Clinton when they are terrified to even share the stage with Trump? GOP is gonna get blown out in 2016 if its not Trump, and its gonna be amazing. This party is going the way of the Whigs, and deservingly so.
Quote:http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm
Do you have Al Sharptons poll numbers for 2003?
What exactly has Trump said that is anti-conservative in value?
What makes you believe he cant negotiate internationally? That he wasn't a politician? News flash, some of our most successful presidents weren't internationally negotiating career politicians.
Every single candidate running, democrat or republican, is filthy rich and white, except for Ben Carson. Trump talks about his status because he is proud about his wealth and accomplishments. He doesn't have political success to talk about because he isn't a politician, so he talks about his business success, internationally and domestically.
Meanwhile, establishment candidates are plotting to boycott the first debate because of Trump. Amazing.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/...m-debates/
Who could possibly vote for these spineless cowards over Clinton when they are terrified to even share the stage with Trump? GOP is gonna get blown out in 2016 if its not Trump, and its gonna be amazing. This party is going the way of the Whigs, and deservingly so.
Just so I can understand where you're coming from - do you believe that astronauts actually landed on the moon? That 9/11 was an inside job? That LBJ had JFK killed?
You talk about the Whig party? Look up the Know Nothing Party and tell me how that worked out. That Party was all about demonizing immigrants - so I assume Trump had someone read it to him.
How's your boy going to explain his past support for abortion? How is he going to explain away his support for Bill Clinton? I'm sure his personal life will be a big sell with the evangelicals and the grandmothers.
Oh, by the way. Ted Cruz is acting nice about Trump. He sees Trump slicing into his yahoo base, so he's waiting for Trump to implode and then get his people back. The rest of them see Trump for what he is - all about The Trump Brand.
But keep those posts coming! It'll will be fun to see you defend the King of Clowns.
Quote:The fact that Donald Trump is able to bounce back after insulting McCain & remaining at top of the polls makes me think he is a real candidate. That or other candidates will start to realize that the American people are tired of the policy on illegals in this country.
You do realize that polling data this early in the race doesn't mean anything right?
Quote:People said the same about Obama and that Hillary was a lock.
But you claim to know more than me about politics, so please provide me your wisdom on what makes you believe Trump isn't a serious candidate and how the current set of establishment GOP candidates could even possibly take Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Virginia from Hillary Clinton, all the while demographically Republicans are losing millions of potential voters by the year.
It is part of it.
"He is a bully" isn't a reason someone shouldn't be electable. It isn't about how you say it, but what you say you will do. He could be the biggest butthead out there, but it wouldn't matter if he could turn around the debt, fix social services, and lower unemployment. Not voting for someone because "muh feelings" is juvenile.
I'll be your Huckleberry.
This isn't all of the states that you listed, but a few key ones are mentioned (Iowa, Virginia and Colorado). If that's any indicator this early in the election season then Hillary should be concerned. I find the segment that MSNBC aired kind of amusing.
Quote:http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm
Do you have Al Sharptons poll numbers for 2003?
What exactly has Trump said that is anti-conservative in value?
What makes you believe he cant negotiate internationally? That he wasn't a politician? News flash, some of our most successful presidents weren't internationally negotiating career politicians.
Every single candidate running, democrat or republican, is filthy rich and white, except for Ben Carson. Trump talks about his status because he is proud about his wealth and accomplishments. He doesn't have political success to talk about because he isn't a politician, so he talks about his business success, internationally and domestically.
Meanwhile, establishment candidates are plotting to boycott the first debate because of Trump. Amazing.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/...m-debates/
Who could possibly vote for these spineless cowards over Clinton when they are terrified to even share the stage with Trump? GOP is gonna get blown out in 2016 if its not Trump, and its gonna be amazing. This party is going the way of the Whigs, and deservingly so.
I'm not exactly sure why net worth or ethnicity is such a big deal to you, but I wouldn't call Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio "rich white men".
Regarding the second bolded part from your quote, I think Carly Fiorina is talking about the same thing in a lot of her speeches. I actually like her, but I don't think she has a real shot at winning.
Finally, as to the third part in bold, it wasn't any "establishment candidates plotting" anything. If you bothered to read your own stupid link to a blog post, it was a meeting of the Republican Governors Association, and an idea that was brought up was to
urge Jeb Bush, Scott Walker and Marco Rubio to state that they would refuse to enter any debate in which Donald Trump was participating in. I would hardly call that "establishment candidates plotting" anything, but go ahead and keep trying to spin the facts to back up your point of view.
Whig Party? Know-Nothing Party? All we need now is a reference to the Hartford Convention. Somewhere, in the wilderness, APUSH teachers are smiling.
Despite my better judgment and my fellow posters answering for me, I'll actually take these questions:
Quote:http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm
Do you have Al Sharptons poll numbers for 2003?
What exactly has Trump said that is anti-conservative in value? My comparison is on style, not substance. Both candidates exist due to anger in the populace. In both cases, they draw their power from people that think that folks that don't look and talk the way they do are the problem. Neither Trump nor Sharpton would exist without the New York media machine. Had the Donald done his business in San Antonio, no one would know who the hell he is.
What makes you believe he cant negotiate internationally? That he wasn't a politician? News flash, some of our most successful presidents weren't internationally negotiating career politicians. I don't think he can negotiate internationally because he is a guy that does his best from a position of power or opportunity. That's not the way international negotiation works. You can't just intimidate Russia or China by threatening to sue them or by hurting a few "little people" by cutting off business with them. Arms proliferation deals are not hotel or golf course land deals. That bluster you find so impressive will do nothing for him when it's time to make Mexico pay for that wall he wants to build.
Every single candidate running, democrat or republican, is filthy rich and white, except for Ben Carson. Trump talks about his status because he is proud about his wealth and accomplishments. He doesn't have political success to talk about because he isn't a politician, so he talks about his business success, internationally and domestically. I don't care about the filthy rich part, whether true or not. Truth is, if Donald sold everything he had he probably wouldn't be able to come up with half of his claimed net worth - which is one of my problems with him. Regardless, what I said is that Donald is "further endorsing the image of the party, deserved or not, as a bunch of mean, crappy, rich, selfish old white men, their wives and kids, and people who worship the almighty dollar." You left out the most important part, which I have highlighted for you. It's an image smart Republicans are trying to shake, and Donald's not helping them.
Meanwhile, establishment candidates are plotting to boycott the first debate because of Trump. Amazing.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/...m-debates/
Who could possibly vote for these spineless cowards over Clinton when they are terrified to even share the stage with Trump? GOP is gonna get blown out in 2016 if its not Trump, and its gonna be amazing. This party is going the way of the Whigs, and deservingly so.
I don't think they're afraid of Donald. I think they're embarrassed by him. There's a difference.
I'm not sure if it's sad or funny that the term conservative has become so diluted that Trump could ever pass as a conservative.
We're talking about the guy who defines corny capitalism. Hell he's best buddies with the Clinton's for a reason! I'm almost convinced he's a Manchurian candidate.
If we get down to trump and bush as the primary choices screw it I'll just go vote democrat and go all in for a total collapse.
Quote:I'm not sure if it's sad or funny that the term conservative has become so diluted that Trump could ever pass as a conservative.
We're talking about the guy who defines corny capitalism. Hell he's best buddies with the Clinton's for a reason! I'm almost convinced he's a Manchurian candidate.
If we get down to trump and bush as the primary choices screw it I'll just go vote democrat and go all in for a total collapse.
Mwahahahaha the plan is working to perfection!!!!!
Also, I move this is the new term we all use from now on.
Quote:It's early in the cycle. Out of the 20 republican candidates, I would think that it will eventually "weed down" to 5 or 6 "real" candidates that have a chance of winning. In no particular order of who I think will be "finalists" here's my guess.
Jeb Bush
Marco Rubio
Scott Walker
Ted Cruz
Rick Santorum
Lindsey Graham
I've already stated plenty of times who my favorite is. I don't necessarily disagree with the candidates not on the list, I'm just looking at a "realistic" possibility.
On the democrat side, I see a battle between Hillary and Bernie Sanders. Most people that I know that are democrats are not really enthused with either one. I see that as an indicator that they either vote on the other side (depending on the republican nominee), they vote third party or don't go to the polls at all.
To stay on topic, quite a few that I know that have conservative leanings likes what Trump is doing, but they would never vote for him in a primary. I believe that Donald Trump is "saying what many believe" and is forcing candidates to "not play politics" and actually talk about the issues.
I do think that he's being a bit "over the top" with his remarks regarding Senator McCain and Senator Graham. I also think that he is a narcissist and is enjoying the publicity that he's getting in the media. However, think about this a bit. The left news media is talking about him and giving exposure to candidates that he's running against in the republican party. That's essentially "free advertising". How many reports are out there getting statements from Hillary, Bernie Sanders or anyone else running on the democrat side?
Of the 6 candidates you mentioned, the one that I think has the greatest uphill battle is Lindsey Graham. I don't think Graham appeals to any segment of the Republican Party on enough key issues. In other words, why part of the Republican voting segments will support Graham on an issue here and there, they will be against Graham on as many, if not more issues. The other 5 candidates you mentioned have much more defined voting segments that they appeal to.
Until some of the debates take place, it's much more difficult to predict which Republican candidates will have a realistic chance. It's interesting to discuss it now but like we have seen so many times, things often change.
While Donald Trump's history of supporting left wing candidates could easily catch up to him, the combination of the free publicity he's getting and the unlimited bank account he has makes him a wildcard. Many people that I have met recently currently plan on voting for Trump in the primary season. But along the lines you mentioned, the fact that he's bringing up topics that needs to be discussed in the race is something that appeals to me. It's evident that some of the candidates on the Republican side are very reluctant to discuss uncomfortable questions/ issues.
Because so many people correctly think Hillary is disingenuous, it's clearly hurting her even in the Democrat Party. The question becomes if this continues, will someone like Elizabeth Warren enter the race? I don't think any of the Democrats currently in the field have a realistic shot at the nomination. However, I believe Warren would appeal to a large segment of the Democrat Party.
If a Republican had the baggage that Hillary has, the media would go non stop in trying to get as much on the table as possible.
Quote:If we get down to trump and bush as the primary choices screw it I'll just go vote democrat and go all in for a total collapse.
Bwahahahahahaha! WOW Man! Lol
Quote:Bwahahahahahaha! WOW Man! Lol
I've been in the "let it burn" crowd for some time now, but I can't actively try to destroy the country just yet.