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Quote:I'm amazed how can come on a here and complain, complain, complain but offer no solutions. What does firing Gus Bradley get you? What's the point? We'd have to start from scratch. Again. For what? A new system? New coordinators? What's the difference if it's the same players? Players not plays. If this team had a nfl-ready qb, it would be one thing. But firing a head coach because his qb currently sucks is dumb.


Dumb.


How can you confirm a head coach is underperforming with all these rookies? You really think someone else could have this team further along right now? What evidence can you provide to support that? We all know what the record is but it doesn't necessarily mean he is underperforming.

 

The reasons for why he is likely not a good head coach have been listed multiple times. None of those is because "his qb currently sucks".

Quote:I'm amazed how can come on a here and complain, complain, complain but offer no solutions. What does firing Gus Bradley get you? What's the point? We'd have to start from scratch. Again. For what? A new system? New coordinators? What's the difference if it's the same players? Players not plays. If this team had a nfl-ready qb, it would be one thing. But firing a head coach because his qb currently sucks is dumb.


Dumb.


How can you confirm a head coach is underperforming with all these rookies? You really think someone else could have this team further along right now? What evidence can you provide to support that? We all know what the record is but it doesn't necessarily mean he is underperforming.

Actually..... the record is pretty clear that this team is not playing well. Can it get better? Yes but as of right now, the evidence is pretty heavy in favor of Bradley not being a good coach.

Quote:Keep the failed coaching staff for another year so future coaching hires will be more willing to come here? That might be the best argument for keeping Gus.

So you think we're going to get this Great Coach after Khan fires Gus 2 years into a total rebuild? Can't wait to see the list of guys you think would come here to coach after that happens.

Quote:I'm amazed how can come on a here and complain, complain, complain but offer no solutions. What does firing Gus Bradley get you? What's the point? We'd have to start from scratch. Again. For what? A new system? New coordinators? What's the difference if it's the same players? Players not plays. If this team had a nfl-ready qb, it would be one thing. But firing a head coach because his qb currently sucks is dumb.


Dumb.


How can you confirm a head coach is underperforming with all these rookies? You really think someone else could have this team further along right now? What evidence can you provide to support that? We all know what the record is but it doesn't necessarily mean he is underperforming.

 

I know that you have read the boatload of rational, reasonable and logical posts on here with rational reasoning as to why Bradley and co. are not a solution (or at least don't appear to be at this point).

 

Thank you once again for your post with absolute nothing more than personal opinion that "you belieb in vitory!"

Quote:By this logic we should have never fired Mularkey.

 

Good point. How will the Jags ever get a really good coach to come here if they know it could be one and done if they have a terrible first season?

You all be like Tebow...

after a loss...

but the same fans be on here after a win talking about how great everything is...

 

take a break from the keyboard .. and Jag on

Quote:I'm amazed how can come on a here and complain, complain, complain but offer no solutions. What does firing Gus Bradley get you? What's the point? We'd have to start from scratch. Again. For what? A new system? New coordinators? What's the difference if it's the same players? Players not plays. If this team had a nfl-ready qb, it would be one thing. But firing a head coach because his qb currently sucks is dumb.


Dumb.


How can you confirm a head coach is underperforming with all these rookies? You really think someone else could have this team further along right now? What evidence can you provide to support that? We all know what the record is but it doesn't necessarily mean he is underperforming.

 

Well if what's in bold is the case, I would sure hate to see what underperforming looks like.

 

I guess the Jags would have to be 0-13 to be considered underperforming to some people, and maybe not even then.

Quote:So you think we're going to get this Great Coach after Khan fires Gus 2 years into a total rebuild? Can't wait to see the list of guys you think would come here to coach after that happens.

 

I was agreeing with you.

Quote:I was agreeing with you.

My bad. :-) Hard to tell what is sarcasm with some people .

Quote:I know that you have read the boatload of rational, reasonable and logical posts on here with rational reasoning as to why Bradley and co. are not a solution (or at least don't appear to be at this point).


Thank you once again for your post with absolute nothing more than personal opinion that "you belieb in vitory!"

Lol there are no boatloads of reasons. The only thing you can point to is the record. But I thought that was Jedd Fisch's fault? Certainly not the inexperience because we ruled that out already.

Quote:Lol there are no boatloads of reasons. The only thing you can point to is the record. But I thought that was Jedd Fisch's fault? Certainly not the inexperience because we ruled that out already.

 

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Exactly my point. Moaning about the record is not an argument. There is an actual reason why this team is struggling--options include head coach (meaning you think the team has the capacity to play better but the coach is not exacting the talent out of these capable players) or the play-calling (which means again, the players are good enough) or it's the players themselves who aren't NFL-ready. Or some combination of the three.


Again, whys it Gus? What is he doing or not doing that's the problem?

Quote:Exactly my point. Moaning about the record is not an argument. There is an actual reason why this team is struggling--options include head coach (meaning you think the team has the capacity to play better but the coach is not exacting the talent out of these capable players) or the play-calling (which means again, the players are good enough) or it's the players themselves who aren't NFL-ready. Or some combination of the three.


Again, whys it Gus? What is he doing or not doing that's the problem?

 

Bradley is the head coach, who is charged with and responsible for the development and overall performance of the team.

 

This team has not improved.  We have seen small flashes but no overall improvement of performance.  Just because there is a good play here or there or a good quarter here or there you can't call it improvement.  Good play must be strung together and we have not seen that.  Even bad teams have occasional good plays.

 

Here's what improvement should look like...some ups and downs but over the course of a reasonable amount of games (say maybe 29ish) you can tell the arrow is pointing up.



 

Here's what the Jags have looked like under Bradley...an occasional good quarter or half but no trending upward.



 

It's not just about wins and losses as you assert.  Although, the record Bradley has started with is historically bad and he will have to be carrying a miracle in his pocket next year to become a long-term successful NFL HC after this start.  His wins and losses happen to be facts.

 

The point differential from this year compared to last (nearly identical) is a fact.

 

The only "fact" that is in favor of Bradley if you'd like to call it that is the fact that the team is young.  That means the future is unknown.  It could be filled with hope or disappointment.  At this time last year we all thought that Joeckel, Cyp and Gratz would be future core players.  they haven't shown that this year.  Right now, we hope BB, Lee, Robinson and Hurns are future core players.  How will they look next year?  The fact is we do not know right now. 

 

My observation is that with all of these negative indicators (facts) on top of the foundation of "hope" is an awfully uncertain way to view the future.  It's take a lot of faith at this point to believe Bradley is the man for the future.  Faith that is unfounded on anything he has shown us in my opinion.

Quote:Bradley is the head coach, who is charged with and responsible for the development and overall performance of the team.


This team has not improved. We have seen small flashes but no overall improvement of performance. Just because there is a good play here or there or a good quarter here or there you can't call it improvement. Good play must be strung together and we have not seen that. Even bad teams have occasional good plays.


Here's what improvement should look like...some ups and downs but over the course of a reasonable amount of games (say maybe 29ish) you can tell the arrow is pointing up.



Here's what the Jags have looked like under Bradley...an occasional good quarter or half but no trending upward.



It's not just about wins and losses as you assert. Although, the record Bradley has started with is historically bad and he will have to be carrying a miracle in his pocket next year to become a long-term successful NFL HC after this start. His wins and losses happen to be facts.


The point differential from this year compared to last (nearly identical) is a fact.


The only "fact" that is in favor of Bradley if you'd like to call it that is the fact that the team is young. That means the future is unknown. It could be filled with hope or disappointment. At this time last year we all thought that Joeckel, Cyp and Gratz would be future core players. they haven't shown that this year. Right now, we hope BB, Lee, Robinson and Hurns are future core players. How will they look next year? The fact is we do not know right now.


My observation is that with all of these negative indicators (facts) on top of the foundation of "hope" is an awfully uncertain way to view the future. It's take a lot of faith at this point to believe Bradley is the man for the future. Faith that is unfounded on anything he has shown us in my opinion.

C'mon Jeremy, label your axis on your graphs! What are we looking at there?

Quote:C'mon Jeremy, label your axis on your graphs! What are we looking at there?

Oh those are graphs! I thought they were poo stains on the wall that he's been trying to get his crap to stick to.

Quote:This may be a shock to some people, but sometimes first-year head coaches win. It happens all the time, actually.

Not ones who walk into expansion-caliber rosters like Gus did.


There is a large portion of this fanbase that doesn't understand just how bad this roster was when Gene was fired.

Quote:Not ones who walk into expansion-caliber rosters like Gus did.


There is a large portion of this fanbase that doesn't understand just how bad this roster was when Gene was fired.

 

We understand. That doesn't explain why it's just as bad 2 years later. 

Quote:Not ones who walk into expansion-caliber rosters like Gus did.


There is a large portion of this fanbase that doesn't understand just how bad this roster was when Gene was fired.

 

If I remember correctly, it was 2-14 bad, wasn't it?

 

I'm glad we aren't that bad anymore.

Quote:Not ones who walk into expansion-caliber rosters like Gus did.


There is a large portion of this fanbase that doesn't understand just how bad this roster was when Gene was fired.

 

Houston Texans


2002 4-12


2003 5-11


 

Cleveland Browns


1999 2-14


2000 3-13


 

While the Browns had a worse record than the Jags, both teams' records improved from year 1 to year 2.

 

But the bigger problem is a lack of player development over the course of the season. Nobody has really improved except for Telvin Smith, A.Rob, and Lee. Bortles and Joeckel have regressed. Cyp, Sanders and Gratz have regressed from last season.

Quote:C'mon Jeremy, label your axis on your graphs! What are we looking at there?

 

lol just look at them conceptionally...the x axis is time, y axis is performance.  I'm just talking concepts here, the numbers are meaningless lol.