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It's always the same, chicken or the egg, the players are bad, or the coach is bad.

In my vast NFL experience(armchair sarcasm) once those discussions start taking place for a couple of years, it's the coach as the primary problem,

the players a secondary problem. Some of these players are salvagable, but I don't see them progressing and that's

the coaches job. Also it's the coaches job to not only improve his players but to demand better players.

Someone today told JT Thomas to suit up. I hate to single out one guy but have to make my point.

A coach has to be strong enough to tell Dave this man is not an NFL player, get me somebody tomorrow.

A street free agent, a trade, some guy on a tractor that wants another year, but I cannot play this man.

 

NFL head coaching is not for everyone, they have to be tough, a pain to the GM, yet trustworthy to the GM, a teacher who can improve marginal talent until better comes along, a motivator to paid mercenaries, and definitely a fine strategist on game day. He must also be an outstanding evaluator of other coaches.

Gus might be a player motivator, "maybe", but the other skills he seems to lack.

 Maybe it was not a good idea to tie Gus and Dave together like has been presented, this team today is being run as a family, players love coach who loves Gm,who loves owner, and let's all dance in the locker room.

It's not working. It might work producing car bumpers, but Dave needs to Ream some Gus, and Gus needs to Ream some players and cut some players for non production. This is not a factory, a family, or a place to make friends.

It is the NFL, and the good ones, the parcells and the belicheks understand the ruthlessness needed.

Even Pete Carroll's good buddy routine is an act, underneath he will trade his mother for a Tackle, and publicly say it was so hard to do.

Gus is not a long term strategist, a ruthless pursuer of talent, a teacher, or a game day planner and executioner. I also question his judgment of other coaches on his staff.

He's a nice man who likes red bull and will make a fine motivational speaker.

Next please.

We are epically bad.

 

In fact, I'm almost ashamed of my favorite team....When is the arrow going to point up? I just need a little sunlight- just a little.... Give me something Gus because right now I have ZERO faith in you.

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Quote:If you can figure out how Gus is responsible for Bortles making dumb decisions, Denard, Shorts and Harbor dropping passes, a young O-line playing like a young O-line and LBs and safeties missing dozens of tackles, then you may be onto something.  

 

I happen to think it's strange to look at all those mistakes and just lay them at Bradley's feet.  

 

Yeah, something's gotta' give. They can't keep making so many stupid mistakes. The majority of them are coming from rookie, second year and undrafted players though - so I'm not so sure it's all coaching.  

 

After watching today's game - I came away thinking the  LB and DB position coaches aren't getting it done in terms of preparing their units to make  tackles properly and consistently. The rest just looked like stupid mistakes by individual players or rookies being rookies. 

 

Maybe it's all on Gus. I don't know  - but it sure seems like blind speculation to assume so IMO. 

Some on this board feel that the players should have already been developed and playing at a high level by now... Some just can't grasp that players don't come right out of college and play like seasoned vets before the end of their first few months...

But the players love him you guys!

Quote:The Jags played that same bottom feeder team. How did that work out?

So? so did 9 other teams and that same bottom feeder team has dropped 5 in a row

Quote:Some on this board feel that the players should have already been developed and playing at a high level by now... Some just can't grasp that players don't come right out of college and play like seasoned vets before the end of their first few months...

 

Or maybe we expect visible progress in players nearing the end of their second year in the league. Other than Denard and McCray, it could be every other member of the 2013 class has regressed.

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I saw a young team getting better. They looked like an NFL team, and if the O-Line would block and the receivers caught the ball we would have a really good team. [/quote

Lol a "young team getting better"

I would like to see Caldwell and Shad look around and see if they can find an experienced head coach.

Quote:Youngest team in the league and pitched a shut out today. Experience you were saying, or does Fisher know how to coach a football team?

One rookie starter on offense.

(two depending on who is the "starter" in their RB committee)

 

We have 5 - with one of them in the most important position. Theirs is at LT.   There's a pretty big difference between having young players and starting them.

Quote:Or maybe we expect visible progress in players nearing the end of their second year in the league. Other than Denard and McCray, it could be every other member of the 2013 class has regressed.

Or it could be that you are so steadfastly expecting wins that you can't see improvement...Gus says he see is, Caldwell says he sees it, mr Khan says he see improvement and all 3 of them say we are right about where they expected to be...Those are 3 people's opinion I would value over random internet message board posters

Quote:Or it could be that you are so steadfastly expecting wins that you can't see improvement...Gus says he see is, Caldwell says he sees it, mr Khan says he see improvement and all 3 of them say we are right about where they expected to be...Those are 3 people's opinion I would value over random internet message board posters

 

The people whose jobs depend on the team improving say the team is improving? Somebody call the New York Times. 

Caldwell has done an outstanding job with the rebuilding of this team. He's the best GM we've had and will do what's right. Bradley in my opinion, deserves one more year.

Quote:The people whose jobs depend on the team improving say the team is improving? Somebody call the New York Times. 

If Khan really didn't see improvement, I seriously doubt he would say he did...I would think that instead of saying he sees improvement, he would say something like, there are somethings that need to be looked at and evaluated and I will be doing that at a later time, or I'm not seeing ENOUGH improvement...That's the variable in all this...

 

Not to mention, simply saying you see improvement if there isn't certainly isn't going to give you job security...I don't think you can [BLEEP] khan

Quote:Three weeks away from the last game of Gus Bradley coaching the Jaguars.

 

Maybe it's his fault the players have not developed. Maybe it's not his fault and was just given bad players to develop.

 

Either way, a change is needed.

 

Today was a microcosm of Bradley's tenure here.

 

Missed tackles everywhere. Almost no pass rush. Dropped passes. Poor blocking.

 

The team literally does nothing well.

 

Gus Gone.

 

Quote:Some on this board feel that the players should have already been developed and playing at a high level by now... Some just can't grasp that players don't come right out of college and play like seasoned vets before the end of their first few months...

Still drunk...I know you want to believe, but head coaching doesn't seem like its the right position for Badley...

Quote:Some on this board feel that the players should have already been developed and playing at a high level by now... Some just can't grasp that players don't come right out of college and play like seasoned vets before the end of their first few months...

 

But where's the progress?  

 

Let me explain where the progress is on offense:  The WRs...  Guess why, the WR's coach is good.

 

How's the progress of the QB been?  I would say we have seen ZERO progress from BB5.  I'm not saying BB5 should be Luck, or any other comparison.  I'm asking, objectively...  What progress and development has BB5 made from September to December?  He's good at rolling out... He's a good scrambler, he's fairly accurate most of the time...  Those are all things he's always been!  

 

The O-Line is not getting better either...  They appear the same if not worse from the beginning of the year.  Otherwise, if the offensive units are all stuck in neutral and the coaches aren't getting them better, you got to look to find a staff that can get more out of the players we have.

 

Otherwise, they are just a bunch of overpaid baby-sitters.

Quote:People seriously underestimate what it means to have an inexperienced offensive line, and then a rookie QB behind them.

 

We could have every American football coach on staff and working with our guys, and we'd still have crappy results since we've got inexperience and a severe lack of talent on the line.

Then we have the wrong GM. There are a thousand lineman that come out of college every year. The right GM will find the lineman he needs, even if the man went undrafted. The bad GM will blame his line's experience, re-shuffle next year, blame injuries, re-shuffle the following year, blame a new rookie. It's 5 freaking men, Dave's whole job is to find them.

 

Now I don't think the OL is the primary problem in our record, but how we got this linebacking group is incomprehensible, and why do we have no tight ends that consider catching part of their job? Two years and you can't find one large man who can catch a football?

Why do the best GM's draft last, yet every year make the playoffs?. Because they are good Managers and talent evaluators and it doesn't matter where they draft, at a minimum NFL quality players will be located and put on the field. They are paid royally to find the talent to at least compete and be average. If the Jags are not competing, if we have a "severe lack of talent", then that severe lack of talent extends to the coach and GM

Bradley sucks.   You will have the apologist using the youth excuse while others are pointing out how much of a failure this team has been across the board.  This is going to be a good thread

 

Quote:But where's the progress?


Let me explain where the progress is on offense: The WRs... Guess why, the WR's coach is good.


How's the progress of the QB been? I would say we have seen ZERO progress from BB5. I'm not saying BB5 should be Luck, or any other comparison. I'm asking, objectively... What progress and development has BB5 made from September to December? He's good at rolling out... He's a good scrambler, he's fairly accurate most of the time... Those are all things he's always been!


The O-Line is not getting better either... They appear the same if not worse from the beginning of the year. Otherwise, if the offensive units are all stuck in neutral and the coaches aren't getting them better, you got to look to find a staff that can get more out of the players we have.


Otherwise, they are just a bunch of overpaid baby-sitters.

This.