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Quote:You'll have to be more specific.

 

I edited.

Quote:you missed the point


if you are going to assume that Trump actually does this, you also have to assume they let him... since he said it. otherwise you are only taking half of what he said as true

I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying you cannot just absolve someone of activity that was uninvited because the guy who did it SAYS.. they let me. And to take one side of the story as gospel truth is absurd. This goes for everything from improper touching to date rape to blatant sexual assault. Regardless of the situation, you cannot logically just say.. oh the guy said it was cool.. so.. in all cases it must be cool.

Quote:I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying you cannot just absolve someone of activity that was uninvited because the guy who did it SAYS.. they let me. And to take one side of the story as gospel truth is absurd. This goes for everything from improper touching to date rape to blatant sexual assault. Regardless of the situation, you cannot logically just say.. oh the guy said it was cool.. so.. in all cases it must be cool.

 

no kidding, but there is no case here... its just two guys talking...

Quote:I edited.

You'll still need to be more specific. He has been accused of things by more than one person despite the "they let me" defense.

is there a case where Trump paid the accuser $850,000 to settle?

Quote:no kidding, but there is no case here... its just two guys talking...

Which is why I prefaced my point by saying it has no bearing on what I found offensive.


The argument that was put forward says.. women cannot claim to be the victim because the man says they let him do it. That's pure manure. Each case is unique. You cannot make a blanket excuse for anyone.. even the [BLEEP] pope with that argument.

Quote:you missed the point

 

if you are going to assume that Trump actually does this, you also have to assume they let him... since he said it.  otherwise you are only taking half of what he said as true

Sweet Jesus!! Someone else gets the point I was making. Thought I was in here talking to myself.

Quote:You'll still need to be more specific. He has been accused of things by more than one person despite the "they let me" defense.

 

This thread was about Trump's sexual advances. You said that "They let me" isn't a good defense when addressing assault, but there has to be a victim to say "I didn't consent."

 

In this case, there is no victim saying "I didn't consent", and until there is, this accusation doesn't hold much water,

 

Let me ask this. When you have sex, do you specifically ask "Do you consent to intercourse?" beforehand?

Quote:There's not a single person on this board that can say with a straight face that HRC does not belong in prison right now.


There are dozens/hundreds of ex-military folks that are serving time in Ft. Leavenworth, KS for far less crimes committed involving classified information.

I can. And no she doesn't. The FBI director said as much or do you have trouble understanding how the legal sysyem works?

Quote:This thread was about Trump's sexual advances. You said that "They let me" isn't a good defense when addressing assault, but there has to be a victim to say "I didn't consent."


In this case, there is no victim saying "I didn't consent", and until there is, this accusation doesn't hold much water,


Let me ask this. When you have sex, do you specifically ask "Do you consent to intercourse?" beforehand?

You should ask but Maybe you are okaying raping men though.

You've obviously never had to deal with classified information...and that's a good thing.

You people would be awesome if you could read.


My issue is not with a specific instance.


My issue is with the notion HE SAYS women let him do these things (kiss them or paw at their crotch uninvited) because he is a star. And because HE SAYS women let him do this all the time.. it must be true. That is the logic which has been put forward and to make a blanket argument that all instances should refer to the point HE SAYS they all let him do these vile things is pure manure. You cannot make a blanket excuse absolving him of any impropriety without even knowing the name or face of the woman he is talking about. Without hearing her side of the story. My issue is this notion the guy says he didn't do anything wrong, we don't need to hear from the woman. That goes for anyone. Not just Trump. You would not make this argument for a general person in society, but you will defend this argument when it comes to Trump.


DID YOU GET THE POINT I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC INCIDENT?

Quote:I can. And no she doesn't. The FBI director said as much or do you have trouble understanding how the legal sysyem works?

 

i forgot. the legal system is designed to revolve around one FBI director who says yay or nay

Quote:For an indecent that supposedly happened 22 years ago. I guess she couldn't find him since he's been in deep hiding for all those years.

I guess Bill Cosby is innocent too.

Quote:You people would be awesome if you could read.


My issue is not with a specific instance.


My issue is with the notion HE SAYS women let him do these things (kiss them or paw at their crotch uninvited) because he is a star. And because HE SAYS women let him do this all the time.. it must be true. That is the logic which has been put forward and to make a blanket argument that all instances should refer to the point HE SAYS they all let him do these vile things is pure manure. You cannot make a blanket excuse absolving him of any impropriety without even knowing the name or face of the woman he is talking about. Without hearing her side of the story. My issue is this notion the guy says he didn't do anything wrong, we don't need to hear from the woman. That goes for anyone. Not just Trump. You would not make this argument for a general person in society, but you will defend this argument when it comes to Trump.


DID YOU GET THE POINT I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC INCIDENT?

Should attempts at humour always be taken literally?

Quote:Who did he assault? Who said they were assaulted by Trump? What women said they did not consent to Trump's advances?

Temple Taggart

Quote:I guess Bill Cosby is innocent too.

 

did somebody named Jane Doe under a phony address file a suit against Cosby? if so id say that one is probably fake

Quote:Ms. Lewinsky willingly accepted his sexual advances, is that your point?

 

No, you just invoked the memory of another infamous linguistic argument.

 

In the case under discussion, acceptance, or not, is exactly NOT the point. There are two levels at which Trump can be judged from his recorded statements, neither of which result in him being anything less than a disrespectful, arrogant jerk.

 

If he wasn't joking, that he has actually walked up to women and grabbed their crotch, he's a disrespectful, arrogant jerk. If it wasn't accepted, it's sexual assault, even if it happens without him getting slapped or reported. He seemed to feel empowered to do it because of his star status. If he's right, does it make him any less of a disrespectful, arrogant jerk? I mean, seriously, what adult does that, even if they will get away with it? Pimps, maybe.

 

If he was joking, and it was just locker room banter with the guys...oh wait, he wasn't with his buddies, bonding after a tough day on the course, he was with strangers on a bus, yet he felt comfortable enough to talk about using his star status to grope and kiss women. He can't help himself so he keeps a breath freshener handy so as to leave a good impression. He can't sully the memory of what he assumes will be a special moment for the objects of his attention with his bad breath. I suppose in that way he was a little bit less disrespectful.

 

It's just one more indication Donald Trump is a disrespectful, arrogant jerk. Nothing we didn't know before. It doesn't necessarily disqualify him for the presidency, but it does matter when evaluating his character.

Quote:Should attempts at humour always be taken literally?

Can you hear me in the back?


Not talking about what was said or what is true.


I am talking about the defense he (or any person) cannot be in any way condemned for his (their) actions simply by saying "they let me" do whatever. That is the logic which has been applied. That is the blanket excuse given. Trump says these women let him do these things because he is a star, therefore these women must have just let him do these things. You don't need to have been there or even talk to the women he is talking about. The argument is that since he says they let him, there is nothing more to see. Because it references Trump apparently the electronic impulses in the brain are making this impossible to grasp.

So Trump is a disrespectful, arrogant jerk...I guess I'll have to be okay with that, because the other option is far worse.