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Quote:Temple Taggart

 

So a women gets kissed on the lips by Donald Trump, thinks that was gross, then its over. She didn't follow up with a lawusuit, she didn't do anything. She thought to herself "that's gross".  How is that sexual assault? This sounds like that Seinfeld episode, "The Kiss Hello".

if you thought it would take a nice guy to take down the establishment, you were wrong

Quote:Can you hear me in the back?


Not talking about what was said or what is true.


I am talking about the defense he (or any person) cannot be in any way condemned for his (their) actions simply by saying "they let me" do whatever. That is the logic which has been applied. That is the blanket excuse given. Trump says these women let him do these things because he is a star, therefore these women must have just let him do these things. You don't need to have been there or even talk to the women he is talking about. The argument is that since he says they let him, there is nothing more to see. Because it references Trump apparently the electronic impulses in the brain are making this impossible to grasp.

You are talking about what was said. My question to you (again) is should attempts at humour always be taken literally? Very simple.

Quote:So a women gets kissed on the lips by Donald Trump, thinks that was gross, then its over. She didn't follow up with a lawusuit, she didn't do anything. She thought to herself "that's gross". How is that sexual assault? This sounds like that Seinfeld episode, "The Kiss Hello".

It's 100% sexual assault. What the hell is wrong with you?

Quote:No, you just invoked the memory of another infamous linguistic argument.

 

In the case under discussion, acceptance, or not, is exactly NOT the point. There are two levels at which Trump can be judged from his recorded statements, neither of which result in him being anything less than a disrespectful, arrogant jerk.

 

If he wasn't joking, that he has actually walked up to women and grabbed their crotch, he's a disrespectful, arrogant jerk. If it wasn't accepted, it's sexual assault, even if it happens without him getting slapped or reported. He seemed to feel empowered to do it because of his star status. If he's right, does it make him any less of a disrespectful, arrogant jerk? I mean, seriously, what adult does that, even if they will get away with it? Pimps, maybe.

 

If he was joking, and it was just locker room banter with the guys...oh wait, he wasn't with his buddies, bonding after a tough day on the course, he was with strangers on a studio lot bus, yet he felt comfortable enough to talk about using his star status to grope and kiss women. He can't help himself so he keeps a breath freshener handy so as to leave a good impression. He can't sully the memory of what he assumes will be a special moment for the objects of his attention with his bad breath. I suppose in that way he was a little bit less disrespectful.

 

It's just one more indication Donald Trump is a disrespectful, arrogant jerk. Nothing we didn't know before. It doesn't necessarily disqualify him for the presidency, but it does matter when evaluating his character.

True. However there are some women who like it for attention they may not normally get, or to further a career.

But point being, IF it was ALL consensual , is that just fine? With wifey at home 5 months prego.

To some it matters, to some it doesn't.

But the ohhh that was years ago? Gimme a break. Dirty politics digs up dirt every which way they can. Remember Bill smoked a joint in college, but didn't inhale. Something that happened years ago.

Funny how I'm hearing ...I believe in grace and we are a forgiving country...lol lol lol. They should add...unless it's our opponent.

Quote:It's 100% sexual assault. What the hell is wrong with you?

 

My aunt kisses me on the cheek without my consent every time I see her and I always think "Man, thats gross".

 

Better call my lawyer.

Quote:sometimes it takes a savage to get stuff done

Are you saying Trump is a savage?


There are a few examples of savages who indeed got things done.

Quote:Are you saying Trump is a savage?


There are a few examples of savages who indeed got things done.

 

of course he's a savage. depends on what you interpret as "things"

I'm about done with this thread.  I just think we as Americans, could've found two better candidates to choose from.

Quote:Are you saying Trump is a savage?


There are a few examples of savages who indeed got things done.

 

The guy is pretty savage. We need savage.

 

George Washington was savage. Andrew Jackson was savage. Teddy Roosevelt was savage. FDR was savage. Dwight Eisenhower was savage. Richard Nixon was savage.

 

Thomas Jefferson called John Adams a hermaphrodite. Savage as hell fam. Love that guy.

Quote:My aunt kisses me on the cheek without my consent every time I see her and I always think "Man, thats gross".


Better call my lawyer.

He admitted to it on tape. Witness have come forward before the tape was released.


Jill Harth?


Your denials are fruitless.

Quote:of course he's a savage. depends on what you interpret as "things"

" Things" that have been known to be done by savages. There are plenty of examples.

Maybe it depends on your definition of a savage?

Quote:The guy is pretty savage. We need savage.


George Washington was savage. Andrew Jackson was savage. Teddy Roosevelt was savage. FDR was savage. Dwight Eisenhower was savage. Richard Nixon was savage.


Thomas Jefferson called John Adams a hermaphrodite. Savage as hell fam. Love that guy.

Then there are other savages.

Stalin. Hitler. Sadaam. Amin. Pol Pot. Dick Cheney.

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Quote:You are talking about what was said. My question to you (again) is should attempts at humour always be taken literally? Very simple.

No. Attempts at humor should not always be taken literally. That still has absolutely nothing to with the point being made. I am not sure why it is being harped on. It is irrelevant.


Should we as a society automatically absolve all men of any improprieties when it comes to improper touching and inappropriate advances under the condition the man involved in the incident claims "she let me do that"?


Because that is the blanket excuse that has been made by Bunnie which set off this whole thing. Since Trump says these women let him do these things, none of them can claim to be a victim.

Quote:Then there are other savages.

Stalin. Hitler. Sadaam. Amin. Pol Pot. [BAD WORD REMOVED] Cheney.

 

I don't like Cheney either, but it is kind of silly to throw him in with those dictators lol.

 

There is a difference between being politically savage, and being a literal savage where you murder 6-60 million people...

Quote:No. Attempts at humor should not always be taken literally. That still has absolutely nothing to with the point being made. I am not sure why it is being harped on. It is irrelevant.


Should we as a society automatically absolve all men of any improprieties when it comes to improper touching and inappropriate advances under the condition the man involved in the incident claims "she let me do that"?


Because that is the blanket excuse that has been made by Bunnie which set off this whole thing. Since Trump says these women let him do these things, none of them can claim to be a victim.

To you its irrelevant because it doesn't fit in with what you want to say. If attempts at humour should not be taken literally, then why do you think what Trump said is actually true and something that he actually does?

Quote:To you its irrelevant because it doesn't fit in with what you want to say. If attempts at humour should not be taken literally, then why do you think what Trump said is actually true and something that he actually does?

Are you saying what trump said was in jest?



Cuz it wasn't.

Quote:He admitted to it on tape. Witness have come forward before the tape was released.

Jill Harth?

Your denials are fruitless.

You mean the woman that claimed he sexually assaulted her, dropped the charges weeks later when her boyfriend got a settlement check in his lawsuit against Trump back in 97? The same woman that in August 2015 was begging to be able to do Trumps makeup "for a television interview, a debate, a photo session, anything" and saying she's "definitely on Team Trump"...that Jill Harth?

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Quote:To you its irrelevant because it doesn't fit in with what you want to say. If attempts at humour should not be taken literally, then why do you think what Trump said is actually true and something that he actually does?

IT DOESN'T [BLEEP] MATTER IF IT IS TRUE OR NOT! I DON'T CARE.


Answer the question I posed. Honestly. Can we as a society absolve any man over any potential improper touching simply because the man involved claims "she let me" without having been there, seen it, or heard from the woman who allegedly "let" him?