Quote:I know quite a couple Libertarians and I agree with many of their beliefs, but I never heard any of them mentioning wanting to abolish the IRS. Most Libertarians want to abolish the Federal Reserve Bank more than anything else in the world. And by the way, the US Dollar has lost more than 90% of its original value since the establishment of the Federal Reserve back in 1913. And the FRB's establishment was made under very shadowy circumstances to say the least, back on Jekyll Island, Georgia in 1910.
Go read the libertarian platform. It's in there to abolish the IRS. They also want to do away with the Federal Reserve, and a host of governmental agencies like the EPA and the Department of Education among others.
Quote:Go read the libertarian platform. It's in there to abolish the IRS. They also want to do away with the Federal Reserve, and a host of governmental agencies like the EPA and the Department of Education among others.
http://www.lp.org/platform
2.4 Government Finance and Spending
<p class="" style="margin:0in 0in 6pt;color:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:'Trebuchet MS', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:12px;">All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor.
We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a "Balanced Budget Amendment" to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.
However, many libertarians support a flat tax and/or alterations of it. Abolishing the IRS seems to be a minority view within the Libertarian Party.
Well count me in the minority of the Libertarian party that wants the IRS abolished. You implement a fair tax system and you won't need the IRS at least not in it's current over bloated form it exist today.
Quote:Who collects the money?
Why even have an IRS if there is no force of authority behind it?
With nothing forcing people to pay taxes the system falls apart as too many people decide it'll be fine to let everyone else pay for it.
Quote:Why even have an IRS if there is no force of authority behind it?
With nothing forcing people to pay taxes the system falls apart as too many people decide it'll be fine to let everyone else pay for it.
The Supreme Ayatollah will make up the difference by auctioning off rich people's children to the highest bidder.
Quote:The Supreme Ayatollah will make up the difference by auctioning off rich people's children to the highest bidder.
Well I suppose that will balance out the fact that poor people's children are eaten by the wealthy to finally put the useless louses to some use.
Fair is fair.
Quote:Well I suppose that will balance out the fact that poor people's children are eaten by the wealthy to finally put the useless louses to some use.
Fair is fair.
As long as there is a 90% tax per pound of poor people child.
Quote:Who collects the money?
Under the Fair Tax there's still an IRS.
However there's movements out there that would abolish the IRS all together, Having the states collect all taxes and then the states would fund the federal government. Essentially instead of one huge bloated IRS you'd have each state with their own smaller version of the IRS, that's the key the more local the power the easier it is to control.
Personally I'm more supportive of the Fair Tax than anything else, I think it stands a better chance than anything else I've seen, but there's ways to eliminate the IRS and they're not some impossible crack pot scenario either.
Quote:However, many libertarians support a flat tax and/or alterations of it. Abolishing the IRS seems to be a minority view within the Libertarian Party.
If it's in the party platform, I'm pretty sure it's not the minority pushing it. Each plank of a party platform has to be voted on in order to become a part.
Quote:Who collects the money?
You could manage the intake of revenue through the treasury department. You don't need an agency with 90,000 bureaucrats to collect taxes.
Of course, if you abolish the IRS, who will manage healthcare for the sheep?
Quote:You could manage the intake of revenue through the treasury department. You don't need an agency with 90,000 bureaucrats to collect taxes.
Of course, if you abolish the IRS, who will manage healthcare for the sheep?
Exactly, you don't need anyone to actually collect the taxes, just publish an address and the good libertarians will do the free market thing and just send checks of what is owed to the government.
Quote:Exactly, you don't need anyone to actually collect the taxes, just publish an address and the good libertarians will do the free market thing and just send checks of what is owed to the government.
You really don't understand how a flat tax works, do you?
I wouldn't think so. It doesn't have enough of a sucking sound to satisfy the liberal desire for as much tax revenue as they can leach from the economy to use for all those freebies.
Quote:If it's in the party platform, I'm pretty sure it's not the minority pushing it. Each plank of a party platform has to be voted on in order to become a part.
Quote:You could manage the intake of revenue through the treasury department. You don't need an agency with 90,000 bureaucrats to collect taxes.
Of course, if you abolish the IRS, who will manage healthcare for the sheep?
The majority of libertarians, at least the ones running for office, support a flat tax.
You need someone to intake the money. Whether you call it the IRS or the Department of the Treasury or the Department of Agriculture, it's irrelevant. No libertarian supports the IRS as it is currently, in any way, shape, or form. I think the Libertarian Party's platform is more the abolition of the IRS in its current state rather than its complete abolition, unless you just give some of their responsibilities to another department, but what's the difference really?
We are reaching a point in technology where unskilled people simply have no use. As unskilled labor is eventually replaced with automation and robotics, this new unskilled labor group will need some sort of support. People have natural skill ceilings that they cannot exceed, this is science. On an ethical level though, we can't just have 40-50% of the population homeless and starving, can we? Something has to be done with this group of individuals. Many suggest a living wage. At first I was opposed to this idea, but the more I read about it and understand the direction technology is taking us, the more I realize how needed it will be. You may not like the idea of some fat guy sitting on his couch collecting social welfare, but in reality he will be incapable of anything more. His skill ceiling makes it incapable for him to compete in the world of labor. Maybe we end up creating human batteries out of them (which I am not totally opposed to), where their sole job is to walk on a treadmill generating power. Regardless, I think a living wage will be a reality in the next 50 or so years.
Quote:Exactly, you don't need anyone to actually collect the taxes, just publish an address and the good libertarians will do the free market thing and just send checks of what is owed to the government.
Actually, many Americans do that now on a quarterly basis, but don't let facts get in the way of a good yarn.
Besides, without a powerful IRS who will the Democrats rely on to intimidate the opposition groups and deny them equal protection under the law?
Quote:Actually, many Americans do that now on a quarterly basis, but don't let facts get in the way of a good yarn.
Besides, without a powerful IRS who will the Democrats rely on to intimidate the opposition groups and deny them equal protection under the law?
Of course they do, because there is an IRS that might audit them if they don't.
Are you really so stupid to think that if there were no one actually checking to make sure people were paying taxes and punishing them if they weren't that more people just wouldn't pay?
Quote:Of course they do, because there is an IRS that might audit them if they don't.
Are you really so stupid to think that if there were no one actually checking to make sure people were paying taxes and punishing them if they weren't that more people just wouldn't pay?
I'm not for abolishing the IRS, I'm for moving the function to the state level using a consumption based system. But that doesn't buy votes so you guys will never be for it.
Quote:I'm not for abolishing the IRS, I'm for moving the function to the state level using a consumption based system. But that doesn't buy votes so you guys will never be for it.
So you think it would just be better if the IRS was implemented on a state by state basis?
How exactly would it be better?