Quote:A lot of people are taking minimum wage jobs because they aren't able to get the jobs they're qualified for. I know law school graduates who've been working retail because there aren't any jobs available for them. The fact is, in today's society it's not what you know. It's who you know. And of course those people are unfortunate to have heavy college loans to pay off too.
Bingo!
Ive been saying this for a while.
There are college grads who have to work minimum wage jobs, sometimes 2 and still live below poverty level. Or worse yet unemployed.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014...llege.html
Quote:That's going to happen with or without minimum wage laws. At which point there'll be no jobs left for your unskilled worker (as well as workers who are waiting to get jobs where they're qualified), and nobody left to buy the products they sell.
Of course they aren't the only ones that will be replaced. Pharmacists even some lawyers.
There are always going to be jobs available for unskilled workers who are willing to work.
Quote:Bingo!
Ive been saying this for a while.
There are college grads who have to work minimum wage jobs, sometimes 2 and still live below poverty level. Or worse yet unemployed.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/05/08/unemployment_and_the_class_of_2014_how_bad_is_the_job_market_for_new_college.html'>http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/05/08/unemployment_and_the_class_of_2014_how_bad_is_the_job_market_for_new_college.html</a>
Lies.
Nobody works 2 full time jobs, even at minimum wage and lives below the poverty level. The poverty level for a family of four is $24,000. A full time minimum wage job is like $16,000 per year.
Quote:Lies.
Nobody works 2 full time jobs, even at minimum wage and lives below the poverty level. The poverty level for a family of four is $24,000. A full time minimum wage job is like $16,000 per year.
Where in my previous quote did I say 2 full time jobs?
Quote:Bingo!
Ive been saying this for a while.
There are college grads who have to work minimum wage jobs, sometimes 2 and still live below poverty level. Or worse yet unemployed.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014...llege.html
A college degree does not guarantee anything as far as wages go, and this is especially true depending on the kind of degree a person has obtained.
If you were to ask many of the college graduates who have had to "settle" for lower paying jobs what their degrees are in, you'll find that many of them got useless degrees that do nothing to help their prospects in the real world. I've got a daughter who is a junior in HS. She's already thinking about colleges and courses of study. She's very artistic, so naturally she wants to get a fine arts degree. I've been trying to make it clear that she needs to make sure she has a degree that will help her once she graduates, otherwise all she's got is a piece of paper that cost her parents $100k or more that she can hang on the wall of her bedroom in our house when she can't find a job.
What's really funny is the fact that many of these college graduates who are struggling to find full time employment are victims of this administrations policies. Companies are not hiring as many FTEs because of the penalties they'd incur under Obamacare if they don't provide adequate benefits. So, many companies either cut staff, or converted full time employees to part time status to get below the 30 hour rule. You look at jobs in industries like hospitality and retail, and a lot of companies have made the necessary adjustments to avoid having to provide employees benefits. They're victims of the policies of the guy they worshiped and voted for.
Quote:Where in my previous quote did I say 2 full time jobs?
Then what's your point? Are you really complaining that part time hours at minimum wage isn't above the poverty level?
Quote:A college degree does not guarantee anything as far as wages go, and this is especially true depending on the kind of degree a person has obtained.
If you were to ask many of the college graduates who have had to "settle" for lower paying jobs what their degrees are in, you'll find that many of them got useless degrees that do nothing to help their prospects in the real world. I've got a daughter who is a junior in HS. She's already thinking about colleges and courses of study. She's very artistic, so naturally she wants to get a fine arts degree. I've been trying to make it clear that she needs to make sure she has a degree that will help her once she graduates, otherwise all she's got is a piece of paper that cost her parents $100k or more that she can hang on the wall of her bedroom in our house when she can't find a job.
I thought going to college was all about studying something that interest you? Isnt thats what we have been marking to our kids since birth? Is that they must attend college to get that piece of paper and if they cant find a job related to their study then oh well?
Quote:Then what's your point? Are you really complaining that part time hours at minimum wage isn't above the poverty level?
Go back and read my response, and you will understand my point is that some college grads who have to find work that is out of their career field of study are low paying minimum wage jobs.
Quote:What's really funny is the fact that many of these college graduates who are struggling to find full time employment are victims of this administrations policies. Companies are not hiring as many FTEs because of the penalties they'd incur under Obamacare if they don't provide adequate benefits. So, many companies either cut staff, or converted full time employees to part time status to get below the 30 hour rule. You look at jobs in industries like hospitality and retail, and a lot of companies have made the necessary adjustments to avoid having to provide employees benefits. They're victims of the policies of the guy they worshiped and voted for.
That's just spin, the actual problem in the work marketplace is that the economy has been allowed to leak jobs through very poor trade policy.
Fix the trade policy so that employers have to hire domestic workers and do their production here and suddenly people start getting hired and companies have to think about how to keep people on through wages and benefits instead of how to exploit people since there are so many people clamoring for jobs.
Quote:Go back and read my response, and you will understand my point is that some college grads who have to find work that is out of their career field of study are low paying minimum wage jobs.
I'm just going by what you wrote, not your point. I'm no mind reader. You said they work 2 jobs and still are below the poverty level, which wouldn't be true.
Sure, it's unfair to be qualified and still struggling to find a job that is at those qualification levels... But as my parents told me, life is unfair. There are plenty of people who get jobs who were underqualified at the time they got the job.
Quote:There are always going to be jobs available for unskilled workers who are willing to work.
Not really.
Slowly more things will become automated. Even some of the skilled jobs, like Financial Advisers.
Even assuming only half of the fast food, retail, and janitorial workers jobs are lost -- that's a major decline in available jobs for the unskilled worker. Unless entirely new jobs pop up.
Quote:I'm just going by what you wrote, not your point. I'm no mind reader. You said they work 2 jobs and still are below the poverty level, which wouldn't be true.
Sure, it's unfair to be qualified and still struggling to find a job that is at those qualification levels... But as my parents told me, life is unfair. There are plenty of people who get jobs who were underqualified at the time they got the job.
First you asked me what's my point and I explained it to you, now you are saying you are going by what I wrote.
Somehow, you tried to spin what I said as not true when I posted the link in the very same post.
We are not discussing what's fair in life and who is over/under qualified, we are discussing income inequality, and the problems of it.
Quote:We can agree on this.
The problem is it takes big government to make it happen, and a progressive bent in that big government.
There needs to be import tariffs on items built abroad. Apple is an American company. The iphone should at the very least be assembled in the USA. It's a 60%+ profit margin item for them (less than $250 to build, sold for about $600, and that's the low end ones. Want more storage space on it? Get ready to really get reamed on marginal upgrades) the idea that having to pay an American a livable wage ($15/hr) on the minutes worth of assembly time that each iphone needs would somehow bring trouble to Apple as a company is absurd.
Slap a 20% of MSRP tariff on the iphone and suddenly Apple can't outlay capital to build American production facilities fast enough. Same with everything else.
We don't need $20 shovels made in China, we need $30 shovels made in the USA, and we won't get that as long as "free market" is the topic du jour.
Quote:What's really funny is the fact that many of these college graduates who are struggling to find full time employment are victims of this administrations policies. Companies are not hiring as many FTEs because of the penalties they'd incur under Obamacare if they don't provide adequate benefits. So, many companies either cut staff, or converted full time employees to part time status to get below the 30 hour rule. You look at jobs in industries like hospitality and retail, and a lot of companies have made the necessary adjustments to avoid having to provide employees benefits. They're victims of the policies of the guy they worshiped and voted for.
The 30 hour rule was stupid. A friend of mine works as a waitress, and she had her hours cut from full time (40 hours/week) to part time (28 hours a week). It was a completely political move too. Now she's barely able to pay her way through college (because not everyone is fortunate enough to have parents that pay their tuition and bills) unless she works multiple jobs. Which she has tried to do (as well as go to college so she can get out of the unskilled jobs)
If she didn't have really good friends who set cheap rent, she would probably be homeless right now. (She didn't vote for Obama, either. She was only 15 when he was elected the first time around)
Nothing was done to protect the workers from businesses finding ways around their laws. As usual.
Quote:The 30 hour rule was stupid. A friend of mine works as a waitress, and she had her hours cut from full time (40 hours/week) to part time (28 hours a week). It was a completely political move too. Now she's barely able to pay her way through college (because not everyone is fortunate enough to have parents that pay their tuition and bills) unless she works multiple jobs. Which she has tried to do (as well as go to college so she can get out of the unskilled jobs)
If she didn't have really good friends who set cheap rent, she would probably be homeless right now. (She didn't vote for Obama, either. She was only 15 when he was elected the first time around)
Nothing was done to protect the workers from businesses finding ways around their laws. As usual.
Of course not. It was a republican plan.
Obamacare should have just been a law extending medicare to the entire population.
Quote:First you asked me what's my point and I explained it to you, now you are saying you are going by what I wrote.
Somehow, you tried to spin what I said as not true when I posted the link in the very same post.
We are not discussing what's fair in life and who is over/under qualified, we are discussing income inequality, and the problems of it.
I just said what you stated as fact was untrue and you refuted it by stating you never said full time, which would make the whole original statement invalid. That's why I was confused by your point.
I'm still confused as to what argument you are trying to make in regards to inequality if it's not the unfairness of being over/under qualified.
Quote:I just said what you stated as fact was untrue and you refuted it by stating you never said full time, which would make the whole original statement invalid. That's why I was confused by your point.
I'm still confused as to what argument you are trying to make in regards to inequality if it's not the unfairness of being over/under qualified.
Click on the link in my response and it will answer your question.
I am not saying nothing about unfairness, or over/under qualification. My point is very simple, there are college grads who have to work minimum wage jobs, sometimes 2 and still live below poverty level. Or worse yet unemployed.
Quote:Of course not. It was a republican plan.
Obamacare should have just been a law extending medicare to the entire population.
Obamacare is a republican plan? Its 20,000 pages written by democrats that Nancy Pelosi said republicans would have to pass just to see what was in it.
Quote:Obamacare is a republican plan? Its 20,000 pages written by democrats that Nancy Pelosi said republicans would have to pass just to see what was in it.
Yes, it's a handout to big business, it was the republican response to Hillarycare in the 90's, it was adopted by Romney, it's the republican plan.
Mandating that people pay inefficient big business is the republican way of doing things. Getting big business out of the way so that something can get done is the progressive way of doing things.