Quote:This is my impression as well... My problem with the GOP stems from their seemingly love of and support for greed. When you hear liberals complaining about income inequality this is what they are talking about. Profits soar and employees wages do not increase (for the most part). Why does it appear the majority are ok with this?
No one's ok with it, but it's not a problem you can legislate away. The solution is to create an atmosphere where more people work for themselves versus these large mega corporations. When you tax business heavily and regulate it heavily it becomes near impossible for start up business to survive much less thrive driving them to work for practically slave labor at the mega corporations.
Quote:No one's ok with it, but it's not a problem you can legislate away. The solution is to create an atmosphere where more people work for themselves versus these large mega corporations. When you tax business heavily and regulate it heavily it becomes near impossible for start up business to survive much less thrive driving them to work for practically slave labor at the mega corporations.
It can be legislated away.
You just have to stop electing right-wing candidates and start electing people that understand central control is necessary if you want a country that favors greater equality and a rising tide that actually raises all boats.
Quote:Not at all, the problem is when you let a third party that has never operated in that line of work set the wages and not the market.
There are very few jobs that actually pay minimum wage, and it's mostly entry level, non skilled labor that is paid minimum wage. When you raise the minimum wage the ones you hurt are the guys that have worked their way up over entry level pay.
These jobs that offer minimum wage, McDonalds, Walmart, Car Washes, these are not jobs meant to support a family.
That's a reasonable argument I suppose. I still don't agree with the idea of profits raising but wages not following at all. I think cost of living increases to the point that even those jobs need to pay more.
I personally know a couple skilled laborers (dry wallers) that cant support their families without working a slew of extra hours. No they don't work for themselves. They have no savings and live check to check as they go job to job. It just doesn't sit right with me when I see people working 40+ hours a week and forced to live pay check to pay check while their employers make obscene profits that increase year to year without fail.
Quote:No one's ok with it, but it's not a problem you can legislate away. The solution is to create an atmosphere where more people work for themselves versus these large mega corporations. When you tax business heavily and regulate it heavily it becomes near impossible for start up business to survive much less thrive driving them to work for practically slave labor at the mega corporations.
I can get behind this. I don't prescribe to your idea of zero regulation and let ting the market police itself because it won't ever do that. I think you have to legislate the large businesses while relaxing significantly the small and start up businesses.
You can't just do nothing. They seem apathetic and derisive to the issue. That's what I should have said instead of "they seem ok with it"
Quote:I can get behind this. I don't prescribe to your idea of zero regulation and let ting the market police itself because it won't ever do that. I think you have to legislate the large businesses while relaxing significantly the small and start up businesses.
You can't just do nothing. They seem apathetic and derisive to the issue. That's what I should have said instead of "they seem ok with it"
I'm slowly pulling you to the dark side :yes:
Quote:That's a reasonable argument I suppose. I still don't agree with the idea of profits raising but wages not following at all. I think cost of living increases to the point that even those jobs need to pay more.
I personally know a couple skilled laborers (dry wallers) that cant support their families without working a slew of extra hours. No they don't work for themselves. They have no savings and live check to check as they go job to job. It just doesn't sit right with me when I see people working 40+ hours a week and forced to live pay check to pay check while their employers make obscene profits that increase year to year without fail.
The idea that there are jobs that are meant to be low-wage is just plain wrong.
The problem is our nation's regulatory environment heavily favors big business through labor and trade policies.
Get rid of 'right to work' status for states and implement good trade reform and then workers will be able to push wages back to livable levels.
In absence of that at least indexing the minimum wage to the poverty level and inflation would help a lot.
Quote:It can be legislated away.
You just have to stop electing right-wing candidates and start electing people that understand central control is necessary if you want a country that favors greater equality and a rising tide that actually raises all boats.
AHHHH
You and this centralist control thing man!
.gif "Laughing")
Seriously if central control was the solution why does China have among the poorest working class in society?
Quote:No one's ok with it, but it's not a problem you can legislate away. The solution is to create an atmosphere where more people work for themselves versus these large mega corporations. When you tax business heavily and regulate it heavily it becomes near impossible for start up business to survive much less thrive driving them to work for practically slave labor at the mega corporations.
That's already the situation we have, it's commonly referred to as "1090 employment" where people don't even get something as humane as unemployment coverage.
Quote:The idea that there are jobs that are meant to be low-wage is just plain wrong.
The problem is our nation's regulatory environment heavily favors big business through labor and trade policies.
Get rid of 'right to work' status for states and implement good trade reform and then workers will be able to push wages back to livable levels.
In absence of that at least indexing the minimum wage to the poverty level and inflation would help a lot.
So you think my first job at 14 pushing carts at winn-dixe is really meant to be a job for me to support my family of 6 on?
That's the dumbest thing I've ever read, of course some jobs are supposed to be low-wage, it's called entry level work!
All Work is not equal.................
Quote:AHHHH
You and this centralist control thing man!
Seriously if central control was the solution why does China have among the poorest working class in society?
Because they're a fundamentally different country than we are. They're not democratic.
Are you really this stupid?
Why is Germany so poor?
Quote:So you think my first job at 14 pushing carts at winn-dixe is really meant to be a job for me to support my family of 6 on?
That's the dumbest thing I've ever read, of course some jobs are supposed to be low-wage, it's called entry level work!
All Work is not equal.................
What does this even have to do with anything?
Are you really saying that since you were 14 you shouldn't be paid a wage that would allow you to live if you needed to?
Quote:Because they're a fundamentally different country than we are. They're not democratic.
Are you really this stupid?
Why is Germany so poor?
We're not democratic either.........
Quote:What does this even have to do with anything?
Are you really saying that since you were 14 you shouldn't be paid a wage that would allow you to live if you needed to?
You said there wasn't jobs meant to be low wages, that's wrong there are jobs meant to be low wage jobs, entry level jobs.
Quote:We're not democratic either.........
Okay, I can see we've gone off the derp end.
Quote:You said there wasn't jobs meant to be low wages, that's wrong there are jobs meant to be low wage jobs, entry level jobs.
Low wage is relative. There will always be a "low wage" level, why does that have to be sub-poverty level?
Quote:Low wage is relative. There will always be a "low wage" level, why does that have to be sub-poverty level?
Because it's the market that decides what an employee is worth not your central controlling government. would you support a minimum wage of say $40.00 an hour?
Quote:Because it's the market that decides what an employee is worth not your central controlling government. would you support a minimum wage of say $40.00 an hour?
The market is imaginary and arbitrary. Society determines the bounds of the market.
Quote:Low wage is relative. There will always be a "low wage" level, why does that have to be sub-poverty level?
I agree. The current minimum wage is one that you simply cannot afford all necessities rent/ food/ clothing/ transportation/ etc etc.
Quote:The market is imaginary and arbitrary. Society determines the bounds of the market.
would you support a $40.00 minimum wage?