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Quote:Do you have permission to access his personal medical records?

 

I'm just wondering.

 

If I'd decided to stop taking tests, take the money and quit football. I'd probably change my number and stop all contact with my former employers too.

Quote:I'm just wondering.

 

If I'd decided to stop taking tests, take the money and quit football. I'd probably change my number and stop all contact with my former employers too.

 

If he decided to quit football, he'd need to let the league know his intentions, and that hasn't happened.  If it did, it's pretty likely the money he'd be taking would be subject to repossession by the team based on how his contract wording was adjusted to account for the DUI he got after he was drafted. 

Quote:If he decided to quit football, he'd need to let the league know his intentions, and that hasn't happened.  If it did, it's pretty likely the money he'd be taking would be subject to repossession by the team based on how his contract wording was adjusted to account for the DUI he got after he was drafted. 

 

Yes, because that's just what someone who gave up football would do ... inform the league that they should come take back his money.

Quote:Yes, because that's just what someone who gave up football would do ... inform the league that they should come take back his money.

 

What's he going to do?  Just hope the Jaguars and NFL never come asking for the money?  Move out of the country?

I agree with what FBT has posted. To expand a little on his post, I believe as long as Blackmon is a member of the NFLPA, he is subject to the rules agreed upon in the CBA (including random testing). Even though he is serving an indefinite suspension he has benefits by being a union member, including addiction recovery. To opt out of the union I believe Blackmon would have to retire from the NFL. This would cost him the NFLPA benefits as a current player. He would still be subjected to, and held to his current status upon any attempts to return to the NFL.

Quote:Yes, because that's just what someone who gave up football would do ... inform the league that they should come take back his money.

There will come a point where he's either going to get reinstated, or he's going to walk away from the game all together.  If that happens, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see the team go after any bonus money that is unearned under the terms of the contract. 

 

Quote:I agree with what FBT has posted. To expand a little on his post, I believe as long as Blackmon is a member of the NFLPA, he is subject to the rules agreed upon in the CBA (including random testing). Even though he is serving an indefinite suspension he has benefits by being a union member, including addiction recovery. To opt out of the union I believe Blackmon would have to retire from the NFL. This would cost him the NFLPA benefits as a current player. He would still be subjected to, and held to his current status upon any attempts to return to the NFL.

 

Exactly.  He's still considered an active player as far as the NFLPA is concerned, so he is subject to all of the terms of that agreement.

Wow - fourteen pages, and more to come, I'm sure - to pretty much agree that we don't have a clue as to what's going on.

Quote:There will come a point where he's either going to get reinstated, or he's going to walk away from the game all together.  If that happens, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see the team go after any bonus money that is unearned under the terms of the contract. 

 

 

Exactly.  He's still considered an active player as far as the NFLPA is concerned, so he is subject to all of the terms of that agreement.

 

This just makes my point. If he doesn't want to play football any more, it's to his own benefit to just do nothing. As long as he is still 'rehabilitating' the Jags can't get back any money, and he keeps the benefits of being in the NFLPA. The Jags can't get back any money if he spends it all before they get tired of waiting.


 

Like everyone here, I hope he really is spending this time constructively, and gets reinstated. I don't think the odds of that happening are very good.

Quote:This just makes my point. If he doesn't want to play football any more, it's to his own benefit to just do nothing. As long as he is still 'rehabilitating' the Jags can't get back any money, and he keeps the benefits of being in the NFLPA. The Jags can't get back any money if he spends it all before they get tired of waiting.


 
Like everyone here, I hope he really is spending this time constructively, and gets reinstated. I don't think the odds of that happening are very good.

It doesn't really support your point at all.


If he drags this out, the team is going to cut bait, and when they do, they've got a right under his contract to go after the bonus money he hasn't earned. He can't hide from the team contractually.


The league has already confirmed they can release him during the suspension.

Quote:It doesn't really support your point at all.


If he drags this out, the team is going to cut bait, and when they do, they've got a right under his contract to go after the bonus money he hasn't earned. He can't hide from the team contractually.


The league has already confirmed they can release him during the suspension.

 

If the Jaguars cut him, then Blackmon's attorneys would argue that Blackmon was suspended but was in the process of returning to the team. The Jaguars, at that point, wouldn't be able to prove otherwise. I'm sure any judge would side with Blackmon if the Jaguars cut him. Unless, of course, a suspension means that the Jaguars are eligible to have a portion of the bonus returned.

 

I remember reading that DUI-related incidents open it up to having it returned, but do we know what qualifies?

Quote:If the Jaguars cut him, then Blackmon's attorneys would argue that Blackmon was suspended but was in the process of returning to the team. The Jaguars, at that point, wouldn't be able to prove otherwise. I'm sure any judge would side with Blackmon if the Jaguars cut him. Unless, of course, a suspension means that the Jaguars are eligible to have a portion of the bonus returned.

 

I remember reading that DUI-related incidents open it up to having it returned, but do we know what qualifies?

 

His attorney's wouldn't have a leg to stand on.  The league and NFLPA have pretty much confirmed he can be released.  They've opted to table that option for now, but if his suspension lingers, they're within their rights to go after that money.  His intentions are irrelevant.  If he hasn't started the process of requesting reinstatement, and he's just sitting out there on his hands, they have recourse. 

 

The Jaguars re-worked his contract to add wording protecting them against this kind of situation.  He could have avoided that by not getting a DUI after the draft and before he signed his deal. 

Here is something to think about.

 

Justin Blackmon was on pace for 1600 yards with Chad Henne throwing him the ball. You can't let a player like that just walk away The best thing the Jags could do is hope he gets smart and cleans his act up. The guy is a monster on the football field.

 

Lets hope we get this Guy:



Instead of this guy:

Quote:If the Jaguars cut him, then Blackmon's attorneys would argue that Blackmon was suspended but was in the process of returning to the team. The Jaguars, at that point, wouldn't be able to prove otherwise. I'm sure any judge would side with Blackmon if the Jaguars cut him...

 

The team can cut him regardless.  What exactly would his attorneys argue about?

Quote:The team can cut him regardless.  What exactly would his attorneys argue about?

 

Agreed.  At most they could argue that he shouldn't have to return whatever signing bonus the Jaguars may try to recoup, but even that is a stretch for because the language written into his contract was intended to safeguard the team.  I do hope he somehow gets his act together, he's a monster on the field.  Has or maybe we should say had the potential to be elite.

Quote:His attorney's wouldn't have a leg to stand on.  The league and NFLPA have pretty much confirmed he can be released.  They've opted to table that option for now, but if his suspension lingers, they're within their rights to go after that money.  His intentions are irrelevant.  If he hasn't started the process of requesting reinstatement, and he's just sitting out there on his hands, they have recourse. 

 

The Jaguars re-worked his contract to add wording protecting them against this kind of situation.  He could have avoided that by not getting a DUI after the draft and before he signed his deal. 

 

 

Quote:The team can cut him regardless.  What exactly would his attorneys argue about?

 

I'm arguing that an attempt to return the signing bonus is likely futile unless Blackmon admits he isn't coming back. The Jaguars' ability to release him per the NFLPA rules is irrelevant in regards to recouping the money unless the contract specifically says that his arrests can result in as much. Saying that he may not come back from his suspension isn't likely to be enough to say that he should give up the signing bonus. They would have to prove that he isn't coming back. 

Quote:I'm arguing that an attempt to return the signing bonus is likely futile unless Blackmon admits he isn't coming back. The Jaguars' ability to release him per the NFLPA rules is irrelevant in regards to recouping the money unless the contract specifically says that his arrests can result in as much. Saying that he may not come back from his suspension isn't likely to be enough to say that he should give up the signing bonus. They would have to prove that he isn't coming back. 

 

That's not correct unless you're privy to the wording in his contract.  All indicators are that if the team was to cut him at some point over this suspension, they would have grounds to go after the portion of the signing bonus that has not yet been amortized.  What his intentions are at that point are completely irrelevant. The fact that he's not back is sufficient support for the team's claim. 

Quote:Wow - fourteen pages, and more to come, I'm sure - to pretty much agree that we don't have a clue as to what's going on.

That's exactly why this thread is continuing to grow. Nobody here knows. It's personal opinions from Many on this site...


NH3...

Quote:Agreed.  At most they could argue that he shouldn't have to return whatever signing bonus the Jaguars may try to recoup, but even that is a stretch for because the language written into his contract was intended to safeguard the team.  I do hope he somehow gets his act together, he's a monster on the field.  Has or maybe we should say had the potential to be elite.

That elite potential is why the Jaguars will continue to work w/B14CKMON...


NH3...

Quote:Justin Blackmon was on pace for 1600 yards with Chad Henne throwing him the ball.

 

 

Do we really need that kind of production? I heard once that receivers were a dime a dozen.

 

I really want Justin to recover. For us and him. I'm a little selfish like that.

Quote:Do we really need that kind of production? I heard once that receivers were a dime a dozen.


I really want Justin to recover. For us and him. I'm a little selfish like that.

so selfish :3