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Quote:Gene Smith apologists still exist? Are you also Bernie Madoff apologists?

 

Hardly an apologist I've said over and over Gene Smith started strong and then flamed out. doesn't change the truth in what chief is saying.

Quote:Hardly an apologist I've said over and over Gene Smith started strong and then flamed out. doesn't change the truth in what chief is saying.

 

What was the truth exactly?

Quote:According to Jay Glazer of FOX Sports, those close to Blackmon are insisting that he should check into a rehab facility to get his life on the right track.

Quote:What was the truth exactly?

 

Same people screaming about character are now bashing the one pick we didn't stick with character.

Chief mentioned something I was thinking about earlier.

 

The folks on the board constantly hammered Gene Smith for his focus on trying to find quality character guys.  They griped about it repeatedly until the team actually went and drafted a guy with known character issues last year.  Now these same people are in here hammering away because of his lack of character. 

 

Personally, I'm just done with Blackmon.  I don't pity him because of his problems.  He's an adult fully capable of making his own decisions.  He's chosen the wrong path each time it's been presented to him.  Yes, I understand that's the nature of addiction, but with all of the resources at his fingertips as an NFL player, he's been able to get whatever help he needs to deal with it, and he's gone the other way.  He's been given repeated opportunities by the team to get back on track, and in each instance he's said the right thing and reportedly done everything that was asked of him only to turn around and do it again. 

 

Clearly, he has problems that are far bigger than football, and for that I hope he gets the help he needs to overcome this.  But, he's now crapped on this team enough times while teasing the fans with his abilities.  At this point, I honestly don't care what the team does.  For all the talent he's squandering, he's got a 10 cent head. 

 

I went out to dinner with friends tonight, and for the first time in 20 years I had to think twice about wearing any Jaguar apparel.  This has been a rough year on the field, but that's never been an issue.  What Blackmon has now done embarrasses me as a fan of this franchise.  I defended him in the past, but I'm done with it.  It really doesn't matter how talented he is as an athlete if his most prominent quality is his ability to violate the league rules.  I never thought he was terribly bright, but I at least figured he'd be smart enough to recognize the fact that he's jeopardizing his career. 

This isn't directed towards any specific poster here, I just think It's pretty ridiculous how some of you are treating this situation. Our countries treatment of people with mental issues, including addiction problems, is downright saddening. What if Justin was your son or brother? Wouldn't you still try and be there for him and help him if he was in the same situation? Yes he has hurt this team and "turned his back", but that's what people with addiction problems do. Being insensitive and turning your back on him will not make him better. This team did the right thing by trying to help him get the professional help he needs and showing him they still support him in his darkest times. This is about trying to help a young man find a way to beat his demons.


It's easy to say Oh, well he's made millions of dollars why would he throw away such a great opportunity!? He must be an idiot. Addiction is an affliction that effects the rich or the poor, it doesn't care. The fact that he knew what was on the line and still couldn't stop himself shows just how badly he needs help.


I hope can get his life together, and not solely for the fact that he's a highly talented player for the Jags, but also because if he doesn't get help he will end up down the path that many people don't survive. I get fired up about this kind of thing because I've battled my own addictions and have lost that fight many times, it's not as easy as some people may think without ever living that life. I know how hard it is, and whether he continues to be a Jaguar or never plays another down in the NFL I hope he does the right thing, for himself and his own life more than anything.

Quote:I answered before researching Britt. He is a bad dude but still not fair to compare his situation to J Black.

 

I kind of go with the motto ... If we are going to sling mud, why compare the color?

 

I really do wish Blackmon the best, but when he is given a pass on the first day of his suspension because of his abilities? ... I don't see why he would take it as seriously as he should.


 

It isn't hard to minimalize Blackmons transgressions by citing other players erroneous faults. It also leaves open the window to use Blackmons transgressions to minimalize the faults of those players to proceed him. Will there come a day when 31 other fan bases can say "At least he isn't Justin Blackmon"?

 

I get the desire to minimalize Blackmon's faults, but lessening them by pointing at past, or current players faults doesn't  fix his. So why do it?

Bye Week 14 Jags 0

Quote:This isn't directed towards any specific poster here, I just think It's pretty ridiculous how some of you are treating this situation. Our countries treatment of people with mental issues, including addiction problems, is downright saddening. What if Justin was your son or brother? Wouldn't you still try and be there for him and help him if he was in the same situation? Yes he has hurt this team and "turned his back", but that's what people with addiction problems do. Being insensitive and turning your back on him will not make him better. This team did the right thing by trying to help him get the professional help he needs and showing him they still support him in his darkest times. This is about trying to help a young man find a way to beat his demons.


It's easy to say Oh, well he's made millions of dollars why would he throw away such a great opportunity!? He must be an idiot. Addiction is an affliction that effects the rich or the poor, it doesn't care. The fact that he knew what was on the line and still couldn't stop himself shows just how badly he needs help.


I hope can get his life together, and not solely for the fact that he's a highly talented player for the Jags, but also because if he doesn't get help he will end up down the path that many people don't survive. I get fired up about this kind of thing because I've battled my own addictions and have lost that fight many times, it's not as easy as some people may think without ever living that life. I know how hard it is, and whether he continues to be a Jaguar or never plays another down in the NFL I hope he does the right thing, for himself and his own life more than anything.

 

Nobody is saying it's easy to overcome addictions.  However, for Blackmon, as a player in the National Football League, he's got access to world class treatments that Joe six pack can't afford, and in many instances, the team is picking up the tab.  This guy is literally a month removed from a suspension, and he's now done for the year because he didn't get the help necessary to overcome this.  He worked out with the team and sat in meetings, but he clearly didn't do the stuff that he should have been doing to get his life in order.

 

I hope he gets the help he needs to get past this, but I'm done defending the guy.  He's an adult with an addiction problem who has failed to learn his lesson after multiple flags going up trying to get him on the right track. 

 

If he was seriously trying to get on the right track, do you think the following would have happened?

 

I got a call about this an hour ago.  A friend of mine lives near him, and frequents the same package store he does.  The counter guy knows my friend is a huge Jags fan.  She went in to pick up libations for the weekend, and the guy said Justin was the first customer in the door this morning and that he spent several hundred dollars on booze.  This is after he's been told he's suspended indefinitely.  Again, he's got a problem, and he's addressing it in the worst possible way.  Some people just can't be helped. 

Quote:This isn't directed towards any specific poster here, I just think It's pretty ridiculous how some of you are treating this situation. Our countries treatment of people with mental issues, including addiction problems, is downright saddening. What if Justin was your son or brother? Wouldn't you still try and be there for him and help him if he was in the same situation? Yes he has hurt this team and "turned his back", but that's what people with addiction problems do. Being insensitive and turning your back on him will not make him better. This team did the right thing by trying to help him get the professional help he needs and showing him they still support him in his darkest times. This is about trying to help a young man find a way to beat his demons.


It's easy to say Oh, well he's made millions of dollars why would he throw away such a great opportunity!? He must be an idiot. Addiction is an affliction that effects the rich or the poor, it doesn't care. The fact that he knew what was on the line and still couldn't stop himself shows just how badly he needs help.


I hope can get his life together, and not solely for the fact that he's a highly talented player for the Jags, but also because if he doesn't get help he will end up down the path that many people don't survive. I get fired up about this kind of thing because I've battled my own addictions and have lost that fight many times, it's not as easy as some people may think without ever living that life. I know how hard it is, and whether he continues to be a Jaguar or never plays another down in the NFL I hope he does the right thing, for himself and his own life more than anything.

What evidence do you have that he is addicted to anything and not just stupid?  Alcohol and drug use are not necessarily related.  As several posters have pointed out, marijuana is not addictive and does anyone on this board really know what "substance" caused his suspension?

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I asked the same question and the replies were: Weed, most likely and probably alcohol. In other words, nobody knows they are just speculating.


Regards.............the Chiefjag

 

I understand that the substance the resulted in Blackmon's suspension is confidential, and nobody here knows for sure.


 

My question was broader. COULD it theoretically have been alcohol? Does the NFL test for alcohol and dole out suspensions based on those results? Or would an NFL test have to find an illegal or performance-enhancing drug in order for a player to be suspended?

I still have no problem with the Blackmon pick, he's clearly talented, as long as he puts this garbage behind him once he gets an actual QB he'll be alright. 

Quote:I understand that the substance the resulted in Blackmon's suspension is confidential, and nobody here knows for sure.


 

My question was broader. COULD it theoretically have been alcohol? Does the NFL test for alcohol and dole out suspensions based on those results? Or would an NFL test have to find an illegal or performance-enhancing drug in order for a player to be suspended?

It could have been alcohol, but only if he was convicted of, or admitted to, a violation of the law related to the use thereof.

Wow! Don't know what to say. Hope the kid gets his act together. What a shame.

Quote:It could have been alcohol, but only if he was convicted of, or admitted to, a violation of the law related to the use thereof.

 

So it wouldn't be based on a test in that case, but something like another DUI or probation violation from drinking alcohol (ala Mattloaf)?


 

Arrests are public information, so if that's the reason for his suspension we should find out soon.

We don't have better options, and we have too many positions to address. Keep him til he is removed from the league

Quote:So it wouldn't be based on a test in that case, but something like another DUI or probation violation from drinking alcohol (ala Mattloaf)?


 

Arrests are public information, so if that's the reason for his suspension we should find out soon.

Any arrest or court appearance would have made the news in a heartbeat.  I think it's safe to assume it was a drug found in a mandatory urine test.

Would not be surprised to see Caldwell trade up for Evans or Watkins. Blackmon costing us a 1st, 2nd, 4th, and likely more :thumbsup:

Oh well. We werent going anywhere with him and we won't without him.


I feel like he had this set back because he didnt care if he missed the rest of the year. why risk a serious injury for a team that will only win 1-2 games all year?


im not saying he did the right thing by drinking away his sadness during the bye week, but i can see how an addict could easily justify the idea in these circumstances.

What terrible news to see after work. Grade-A moron.

 

He can't stop smoking dope even after all the trouble he's been involved in? Get rid of him at the most convenient opportunity.

 

Send a message to all the players that they have to give all they can to stay on the team.

 

This just shows Blackmon doesn't care, and isn't concerned with his role on the team or the organization.