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No one is saying we want Mariota ahead of Teddy, but if by some awful luck we wind up picking not first and Teddy is gone then Mariota is a very good consolation prize.
Unless we're getting Harbaugh/ Belichick/ Chip Kelly or another of Oregon's disciples to run a similar offense here/ help develop the QB.....then, no, Mariota won't be a very good consolation prize.
Quote:As I said before (don't remember if it was this thread or another) but I don't understand how people can say Teddy playing a soft schedule means nothing, but Mariota playing in the offense his coach makes him run means a ton. In both cases there are plenty of opportunities to evaluate pro tools aside from scheme and competition. Both excel.
No one is saying we want Mariota ahead of Teddy, but if by some awful luck we wind up picking not first and Teddy is gone then Mariota is a very good consolation prize.
There is certainly a case that can be made, but I've not seen enough to suggest that Mariota can be a day one starter because the offense that he runs is actually a huge detriment to his NFL success. I would strongly advise him to leave after this season, as the longer he stays in Eugene, the more his bad habits will be cemented. He throws off of his backfoot all the time and his footwork and accuracy are sloppy, sloppy. Again, I'm on record saying he is a top 10 pick, but he hasn't shown me enough to give him the keys to the crib Week 1 2014. Best case scenario? He learns behind a veteran and works with a QB guru and is possibly ready to start by the middle of next season. You look at a guy like Teddy and I would bring him in to start tomorrow.
Quote:Yeah, and that was against a garbage Green Bay defense that Kaep similarly shredded in week 1 this season, too.
Also, a not saying QB don't run and pick up yards......I'm saying that play that Mariota had in college where he took the snap ran directly up the middle of the field for 70 yards, untouched for a score simply won't happen in the NFL and it won't. But that won't stop mouthbreathers from being influenced by such plays and especially when that combine comes around and Mariota blows up and gets all those fancy 40 times, and benches 225 30 reps, etc etc......you know, stuff that really doesn't matter for an NFL QB..... :blink:
Its a play showing his athleticism which will allow him to pick up yards by running. You keep bringing up the play but no one is saying this one play is the reason they like him.
So you never pumped luck up because of his fast 49 time (on par with Newton). Sorry, I don't believe that.
Quote:Its a play showing his athleticism which will allow him to pick up yards by running. You keep bringing up the play but no one is saying this one play is the reason they like him.
So you never pumped luck up because of his fast 49 time (on par with Newton). Sorry, I don't believe that.
Not once.
and please.....that play garnered Mariota many more mouthbreathers on his bandwagon...
Quote:Not once.
Doubt it but can't prove it one way or another .
Quote:Doubt it but can't prove it one way or another .
Dude, I've never been a "combine" guy....I have had many posts throughout the past several years where I make the same argument and bash the combine and how its results sway opinion of moron GM's, and ignorant fans.
Quote:Dude, I've never been a "combine" guy....I have had many posts throughout the past several years where I make the same argument and bash the combine and how its results sway opinion of moron GM's, and ignorant fans.
Alright. Maybe you're alone but luck was praised for his athleticism. It's not a necessity for a qb to be an athlete but it's a positive.
Quote:Dude, I've never been a "combine" guy....I have had many posts throughout the past several years where I make the same argument and bash the combine and how its results sway opinion of moron GM's, and ignorant fans.
Alright. Maybe you're alone but luck was praised for his athleticism. It's not a necessity for a qb to be an athlete but it's a positive.
Quote:Alright. Maybe you're alone but luck was praised for his athleticism. It's not a necessity for a qb to be an athlete but it's a positive.
Not doubting that with all other important QB aspects being equal (pocket presence/ accuracy/ football IQ/ footwork/ delivery/ arm strength/ etc) being equal, as a tiebreaker, I'd then take the QB with more athleticism over the other....
Quote:I agree......Gabbert would have never had that 70 yard run for a TD that Mariota produced the other game.....lolz (as if that play will ever be duplicated on an NFL field) .gif "Laughing")
Otherwise, it doesn't matter, Mariota and QB from that system and similar college offensive systems like it, pale in comparison to a QB like Teddy Bridgewater, who is light years ahead of them from a football IQ perspective. Mariota and his one read and take off repitiore will struggle to adapt to the pro game unless a select few teams draft him. (Kelly/ Belchick/ Harbaugh)
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ummmm, not the same kind of play as Mariota's. Mariota ran straight ahead up the middle and wasn't touched. Never happen in the NFL.
Quote:ummmm, not the same kind of play as Mariota's. Mariota ran straight ahead up the middle and wasn't touched. Never happen in the NFL.
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Again he makes a cut and bounces it outside. You lost this one.
Quote:Again he makes a cut and bounces it outside. You lost this one.
Whether a QB "cuts" or not is all semantics at this point. The main point still stands, 70+ yard runs are possible and have happened in the NFL.
Btw I like this throwback too. Lol at the Vikings being in all 3 clips.
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Things I took away from the article:
Quote:He didn't play his best game against Rutgers, but I tend to evaluate quarterbacks by how poor their worst throws are, and he only had four, by my calculations.
I know TMD mentioned Bridgwater having a bad game and that possibly swaying Dave Caldwell's decision. Hopefully Dave takes a page from the "NFC's scout" book.
Quote:He also told me Bridgewater was a more talented and refined version of New York Jets QB Geno Smith.
Ouch.
Quote:Although I couldn't get a direct player comparison from the scout, he didn't blink when I relayed my comparisons to Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers YES! Alex Smith? That's a big ouch...
Quote:Whether a QB "cuts" or not is all semantics at this point. The main point still stands, 70+ yard runs are possible and have happened in the NFL.
Btw I like this throwback too. Lol at the Vikings being in all 3 clips.<a class="bbc_url" href='http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9O5fXUOAvoY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9O5fXUOAvoY'>http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9O5fXUOAvoY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9O5fXUOAvoY</a>
TMD was saying that QB's don't go untouched up the middle for 70 yard runs in the NFL. That is a statement of fact.
Quote:Things I took away from the article:
I know TMD mentioned Bridgwater having a bad game and that possibly swaying Dave Caldwell's decision. Hopefully Dave takes a page from the "NFC's scout" book.
Ouch.
Aaron Rodgers YES! Alex Smith? That's a big ouch...
More talented and refined than Geno Smith isn't exactly an insult. Geno was a 2nd round QB, and he's a starter in the league right now. Being a more talented and more refined version of that would equal much better things.
Alex Smith wasn't a bad prospect either. Ultimately things didn't wind up going his way, but this is as a prospect goes we're talking about. Not NFL careers.