Quote:Any qb can throw from the pocket when your o-line gives you all day and you play action into a one read that is open like the like sun is on a sunny day because the defense bit on the read-option that you previously broke for a +20 yd gain. Blaine Gabbert threw from the pocket at Missouri. It goes far beyond just throwing from the pocket.
Blaine Gabbert saw ghosts in the pocket at Missouri. Mariota actually displays poise in the pocket.
After going back and watching some tape on Mariotta, here is the best I can come up with. It is easy to see why so many people are high on the kid. He is one of the most athletic prospects that I can ever remember at the QB position. In some of his older games, I think he sold out and ran a little premature in a lot of instances, however in later games, I see him keeping his eyes down the field and looking to make the play with his arm. He did it against Oregon St on a 4th and 7 and again this year against Colorado. He seems to have the arm strength as well and he's usually not brought down by one defender. What I think I like most about him is that he is decisive and displays a lot of confidence on the field, he's never afraid of pulling the trigger. As for what I don't like, he plays in an offense where he doesn't have to make a lot of NFL throws and his stats are inflated so immensely by YAC. I've seen multiple instances where little 3 yard screens turn into 80 yard TD's. At Oregon passing lanes are rarely congested and many plays are designed screens that don't require him to make a read or a decision with the ball . At times, he also struggles with accuracy, especially downfield, on several occasions missing an wide open WR. While, as many of you have eluded to he does suffer from a lot of drops, he also equally misses open receivers a lot of times. Also, he throws off of his back foot so often, even on plays where he isn't rushed and doesn't really need to, if he continues that in the NFL, he will have absolutely no chance. While he does at times look off of his first WR, he moves through his reads EXTREMELY slowly and looks more and more uncomfortable as the play goes on. Luckily, he usually has all day to throw, so this doesn't effect him much at the college level. Overall, he lacks a lot of polish and tries to escape the pocket early a lot of times, so I can certainly see where TMD would compare him to Gabbert. Ironically enough, other people see this as well
http://rosterwatch.com/2014-nfl-draft-pl...-qb-oregon
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While it can lead to jaw-dropping runs or a few uncanny escapes from a broken-down pocket, it appears Mariota has developed a run-first mentality. The young quarterback will bail a fairly clean and safe pocket after only scanning the field for a quick second or two. Some call this the “Blaine Gabbert Disease.”
I would still grade him as a top 10 pick, simply because he has so much raw athletic ability and room to improve, but he is much more of a project than Bridgewater or Boyd.
Quote:Blaine Gabbert saw ghosts in the pocket at Missouri. Mariota actually displays poise in the pocket.
I don't know about that. Gabbert was poised in the pocket at Missouri
Quote:I don't know about that. Gabbert was poised in the pocket at Missouri
Lolololololololololololololololol are you serious? Watch his game against Nebraska.
Quote:Or we're just not as sold on him as you are. There are people not sold on Bridgewater as well.
My apologies. I meant to have an "I think" in there.
Quote:After going back and watching some tape on Mariotta, here is the best I can come up with. It is easy to see why so many people are high on the kid. He is one of the most athletic prospects that I can ever remember at the QB position. In some of his older games, I think he sold out and ran a little premature in a lot of instances, however in later games, I see him keeping his eyes down the field and looking to make the play with his arm. He did it against Oregon St on a 4th and 7 and again this year against Colorado. He seems to have the arm strength as well and he's usually not brought down by one defender. What I think I like most about him is that he is decisive and displays a lot of confidence on the field, he's never afraid of pulling the trigger. As for what I don't like, he plays in an offense where he doesn't have to make a lot of NFL throws and his stats are inflated so immensely by YAC. I've seen multiple instances where little 3 yard screens turn into 80 yard TD's. At Oregon passing lanes are rarely congested and many plays are designed screens that don't require him to make a read or a decision with the ball . At times, he also struggles with accuracy, especially downfield, on several occasions missing an wide open WR. While, as many of you have eluded to he does suffer from a lot of drops, he also equally misses open receivers a lot of times. Also, he throws off of his back foot so often, even on plays where he isn't rushed and doesn't really need to, if he continues that in the NFL, he will have absolutely no chance. While he does at times look off of his first WR, he moves through his reads EXTREMELY slowly and looks more and more uncomfortable as the play goes on. Luckily, he usually has all day to throw, so this doesn't effect him much at the college level. Overall, he lacks a lot of polish and tries to escape the pocket early a lot of times, so I can certainly see where TMD would compare him to Gabbert. Ironically enough, other people see this as well http://rosterwatch.com/2014-nfl-draft-pl...-qb-oregon
I would still grade him as a top 10 pick, simply because he has so much raw athletic ability and room to improve, but he is much more of a project than Bridgewater or Boyd.
Thanks for the back up. :thanks:
Where is Prisco getting that Bridgewater is 6'1, 191 lb?
Quote:Where is Prisco getting that Bridgewater is 6'1, 191 lb?
He probably claims those are his real measurables, backed up by no facts whatsoever.
Teddy is probably around 6'2-and-three-quarters, 210ish pounds. But that is just a guess.
Then an agenda is present.
Quote:Where is Prisco getting that Bridgewater is 6'1, 191 lb?
Bridgewater "looks" like he's 6' 1" , 190 ish, but I haven't seen those numbers actually "reported" anywhere, so I am guessing Prisco is simply making that up.
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Mariotta worries me a bit. He seems to be a boom or bust type prospect. In what I have seen, he has a quick release but has a tendency to be sloppy with footwork. That footwork causes him to miss on some throws with sporadic accuracy. He seems to have good awareness in the pocket, but he does the one read and run a bit. He definitely has an NFL arm and throws a pretty ball. I rank him after Bridgewater, Hundley, and Boyd. He is right there with JFF for me.
OK so which games of Mariota's should I watch? I just turned on his Tennessee game, he went 2-7 on his first drive. Wasn't impressed.
Quote:OK so which games of Mariota's should I watch? I just turned on his Tennessee game, he went 2-7 on his first drive. Wasn't impressed.
Kansas State bowl game, Oregon St. last year, Colorado this year, Virginia this year, Washington this year. Those are probably his most impressive games on tape.
Quote:OK so which games of Mariota's should I watch? I just turned on his Tennessee game, he went 2-7 on his first drive. Wasn't impressed.
The only thing impressive are measurables.
Quote:The only thing impressive are measurables.
I would generally agree with this, but he does have some solid tape and those measurables are damn impressive. I think the real topic should be Boyd vs Bridgewater though, as I think he is head and shoulders the 2nd best QB in this draft. He's certainly more NFL ready than Mariotta and his deep ball accuracy is just a thing of beauty to watch. Let's not get down on his athletic ability either.
What offense does Clemson run?
Quote:What offense does Clemson run?
They're kind of a hodge podge. They use some zone read concepts and have some more pro-style packages, more typical to what you see somewhere like Louisville.
Quote:I would generally agree with this, but he does have some solid tape and those measurables are damn impressive. I think the real topic should be Boyd vs Bridgewater though, as I think he is head and shoulders the 2nd best QB in this draft. He's certainly more NFL ready than Mariotta and his deep ball accuracy is just a thing of beauty to watch. Let's not get down on his athletic ability either.
but he's under 6'5 and doesn't run a 4.2. Next!