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Mariota is nothing like Gabbert. NOTHING.
Actually this part is not true.
Both had/ have accuracy issues coming from college, both play(ed) in a gimmicky offense prone to video game numbers/ single reads often and both seen as raw and would be questionable fits for a pro-style offense/ would need time and good, proven coaching to reach potential. Both are QB are/ were praised for their physical stature and arm strength.
So, you're wrong. There are some similarities.
There was a post before the update with people talking about Mariota.
TMD there has been Mariota discussion before the board switched over and even since it did last month. This isn't some new phenomenon
Quote:This thread was started yesterday. Before Peter King said anything about Mariota.
Doesn't matter, replace King with all the other media people that have been gushing about Mariota lately.
Quote:Doesn't matter, replace King with all the other media people that have been gushing about Mariota lately.
Nice try. There were Mariota threads on the other board.
Quote:Actually this part is not true.
Both had/ have accuracy issues coming from college, both play(ed) in a gimmicky offense prone to video game numbers/ single reads often and both seen as raw and would be questionable fits for a pro-style offense/ would need time and good, proven coaching to reach potential. Both are QB are/ were praised for their physical stature and arm strength.
So, you're wrong. There are some similarities.
Mariota is accurate. He also actually produced numbers unlike Gabbert.
Quote:TMD there has been Mariota discussion before the board switched over and even since it did last month. This isn't some new phenomenon
Not saying there wasn't discussion. However, now people are ridiculously putting Mariota up there with Teddy and its stupid. Mariota is going to need a lot of work once he enters the NFL. (especially pending on which team selects him) - pro style offense vs. Chip Kelly offense.. )
Quote:Not saying there wasn't discussion. However, now people are ridiculously putting Mariota up there with Teddy and its stupid. Mariota is going to need a lot of work once he enters the NFL. (especially pending on which team selects him) - pro style offense vs. Chip Kelly offense.. )
How do you know it's ridiculous? You haven't seen enough to make a statement like that.
If Chip Kelly was coaching this team, I would be all in for Mariota. But he isn't. This team needs a qb who can step in IMMEDIATELY and make an impact. Spread option qbs do not translate to the NFL.
If you want to pass on Bridgewater, get Murray or Mettenberger but don't opt for one year of sneaking up on teams and the next couple years stuck in the cellar.
Quote:How do you know it's ridiculous? You haven't seen enough to make a statement like that.
Have you not seen Kap and RG3?
Quote:Have you not seen Kap and RG3?
What are you talking about?
Quote:How do you know it's ridiculous? You haven't seen enough to make a statement like that.
There is enough information about the player to make that statement. He would only have a chance to be quickly successful in the NFL if he went to a team that employed a similar offensive system as the one he plays in college, and right now, thats only a few teams, and only one of those, Philly, would possibly be needing a QB.
And his flaws are known. His accuracy is a work in progress. He would be a project for any offense that was a pro style format.
Quote:If Chip Kelly was coaching this team, I would be all in for Mariota. But he isn't. This team needs a qb who can step in IMMEDIATELY and make an impact. Spread option qbs do not translate to the NFL.
If you want to pass on Bridgewater, get Murray or Mettenberger but don't opt for one year of sneaking up on teams and the next couple years stuck in the cellar.
My sentiments as well.
We select Mariota and he gets hurt like Vick or RG3 then what? That style of play in the NFL is costly.
Take Mariota out of the Oregon juggernaught machine and what happens? They keep on chugging because they are stocked with talent in a gimmicky system.
Take Bridgwater away from Louivislle and what happens? They tank. Bridgwater IS that team.
I want a cerebral QB that can elevate the whole team like Bridgewater does. Maybe Mariota can do this, maybe he can't, be we know Bridgewater can.
As such I would take Bridgewater over Mariota 1000 out of 1000 times.
I would rather trade down, take Boyd than to take Mariota first overall.
this is gonna change to bridgewater vs mettenberger in a few months. but to butt into the debate, teddy and its not even close.
Quote:What are you talking about?
They both came from spread offenses with little more than one read and then run playing styles. Same thing I see in Mariota. Look how they look this year compared to Luck, Wilson... Stats do not lie. Wilson and Luck are the better qbs this year and they both came from pro-style offenses in college. Route reading and pocket presence is not something you just pick up out of the blue, it takes years of maturation in that system to get comfortable enough to employ it properly in a game
Quote:this is gonna change to bridgewater vs mettenberger in a few months. but to butt into the debate, teddy and its not even close.
I agree with all of the above.
Quote:this is gonna change to bridgewater vs mettenberger in a few months. but to butt into the debate, teddy and its not even close.
I agree as it probably should be. If the qb is coming from anything but a pro-style offense, run fast and run far away.
The one thing that Mariota has over Bridgewater is his athleticism. Mariota presents that "fastest guy on the field" threat whenever he's out there, and you can't dispute that. While that's a strength, it also has the potential to be a weakness. If Mariota continually puts himself in harm's way, that's not really the smartest move.
I don't know if he has the capability to run an NFL-caliber offense or not, but don't make light of that Oregon system that he's playing in. Yes, they put a lot of talent out on the field, and it's probably more than most anyone else, but that Offense' playbook is no joke. In Kelly's last season, he supposedly had over 700 plays, and Mariota started in it as a RS Freshman. I'm fairly certain that it was curtailed and tailored so that he wouldn't get lost in it, but the player has shown the ability to pick up a rather complex system and operate it at a very high level.
He's a very intriguing player.
Quote:The one thing that Mariota has over Bridgewater is his athleticism. Mariota presents that "fastest guy on the field" threat whenever he's out there, and you can't dispute that. While that's a strength, it also has the potential to be a weakness. If Mariota continually puts himself in harm's way, that's not really the smartest move.
I don't know if he has the capability to run an NFL-caliber offense or not, but don't make light of that Oregon system that he's playing in. Yes, they put a lot of talent out on the field, and it's probably more than most anyone else, but that Offense' playbook is no joke. In Kelly's last season, he supposedly had over 700 plays, and Mariota started in it as a RS Freshman. I'm fairly certain that it was curtailed and tailored so that he wouldn't get lost in it, but the player has shown the ability to pick up a rather complex system and operate it at a very high level.
He's a very intriguing player.
Mariota would be a great pick....
....for the Eagles (pending Chip stays)