Quote:Make fun of physical attributes all you want if that makes you feel better, but that's what gets you Fowler's at #3 overall instead of Beasley's.
I'm not making fun of physical attributes. I'm making fun of your dedication to them in the face of statistical proof that you put your professional eye test ahead of the actual output on the field. You want DFJ to be a bust so badly because of your man crush on Beasley or your dislike of Bradley/Caldwell that you are unwilling to accept the fact that your evaluation is unreasonable. That's all. Yeah, Beasley had great numbers, Fowler got taken higher and Beasley has performed well after 2 seasons. But Fowler also got hurt, is putting up numbers that same as Beasley did at the time and has only played 11 games as a pro. So come on down off that mountain you've put yourself on and accept that the case for Fowler is still undecided.
Quote:I'm not making fun of physical attributes. I'm making fun of your dedication to them in the face of statistical proof that you put your professional eye test ahead of the actual output on the field. You want DFJ to be a bust so badly because of your man crush on Beasley or your dislike of Bradley/Caldwell that you are unwilling to accept the fact that your evaluation is unreasonable. That's all. Yeah, Beasley had great numbers, Fowler got taken higher and Beasley has performed well after 2 seasons. But Fowler also got hurt, is putting up numbers that same as Beasley did at the time and has only played 11 games as a pro. So come on down off that mountain you've put yourself on and accept that the case for Fowler is still undecided.
Take however long you want to decide on Fowler, I've said that many times. 11 games is SSS no doubt. But he should be showing more flashes than unblocked stunt pressures and whatever that rope a dope backwards pass rush last week was. Beasley was flashing all over the place (hence how he led all rookies in pressures and was solidly a DE1 among all pass rushers), to the point that he completely took over the game last year in the upset win over the undefeated Panthers.
Just taking 10 seconds and looking at a box score to try to prove a point in either direction is foolhardy, especially when it comes to the sack stat that has more noise in it than any other stat in the sport. I believe it was LeCharles Bentley that broke down how bad of a stat it was in a very good article but I can't find it off hand. I'll post it if I can find it later.
Quote:Take however long you want to decide on Fowler, I've said that many times. 11 games is SSS no doubt. But he should be showing more flashes than unblocked stunt pressures and whatever that rope a dope backwards pass rush last week was. Beasley was flashing all over the place (hence how he led all rookies in pressures and was solidly a DE1 among all pass rushers), to the point that he completely took over the game last year in the upset win over the undefeated Panthers.
Just taking 10 seconds and looking at a box score to try to prove a point in either direction is foolhardy, especially when it comes to the sack stat that has more noise in it than any other stat in the sport. I believe it was LeCharles Bentley that broke down how bad of a stat it was in a very good article but I can't find it off hand. I'll post it if I can find it later.
Since you like to use that same "led all rookies in pressures" line so much, how many other rookies was he actually going up against for that same stat? How many other rookies, who played a good amount of snaps (I don't want to see guys who only played like 5-10 snaps a game being thrown into that stat either).
You like to only use numbers, when numbers only tell half a story anyways. So break it down and show us some numbers. It better be a long and impressive list of rookies getting pressures for you to grasp onto that stat so much.
Also, again on numbers telling the story. What about Noah Spence? His numbers were awful at the combine and I'm guessing his spider chart is also (don't personally care what spider chart numbers say anyways). He currently has 6 sacks right now.
Quote:Ignoring his 2nd season is just downright dishonest
Same can be said of "calling it" before seeing what Fowler's second season (next year) will look like.
Quote:Since you like to use that same "led all rookies in pressures" line so much, how many other rookies was he actually going up against for that same stat? How many other rookies, who played a good amount of snaps (I don't want to see guys who only played like 5-10 snaps a game being thrown into that stat either).
You like to only use numbers, when numbers only tell half a story anyways. So break it down and show us some numbers. It better be a long and impressive list of rookies getting pressures for you to grasp onto that stat so much.
Also, again on numbers telling the story. What about Noah Spence? His numbers were awful at the combine and I'm guessing his spider chart is also (don't personally care what spider chart numbers say anyways). He currently has 6 sacks right now.
As someone who stanned pretty hard for Noah on here, he put up better numbers than Fowler in pretty much every relevant category except the 20-yard short shuttle. Also, he can actually bend the edge really well and is pretty good at converting speed to power.
Quote:As someone who stanned pretty hard for Noah on here, he put up better numbers than Fowler in pretty much every relevant category except the 20-yard short shuttle. Also, he can actually bend the edge really well and is pretty good at converting speed to power.
He wasn't initially supposed to do combine drills either cause he was dealing with a sore hamstring. I think he is actually more athletic than those numbers show, which was already solid in what matters. And yes being able to bend is a big factor. Yannick isn't particularly athletic either, but he has some nice bend too.
Does the team move Fowler around much, or is he always stuck at LEO or the other end spot on third down? I thought he was billed as more of a moving chess piece.
Quote:Does the team move Fowler around much, or is he always stuck at LEO or the other end spot on third down? I thought he was billed as more of a moving chess piece.
He's strictly LEO. Which is obviously the wrong way to use him.
Quote:He's strictly LEO. Which is obviously the wrong way to use him.
Are we shocked that this coaching staff doesn't know how to use their players correctly? Nope.
A real coach would have Fowler at strong side and Ngakoue at the weak side. Stop all this leo, lotto, otto, crap.
Quote:A real coach would have Fowler at strong side and Ngakoue at the weak side. Stop all this leo, lotto, otto, crap.
Fowler plays the strong side when both him and Ngakoue are on the field together...
Who really cares?
Fowler is essentially a rookie this season. If people think that defense has been a problem this season, they really haven't watched the games closely.
Quote:Who really cares?
Fowler is essentially a rookie this season. If people think that defense has been a problem this season, they really haven't watched the games closely.
Defense is better than last year but still not good.
Quote:Defense is better than last year but still not good.
I agree
Better but not quite yet a "playoff" defense
Quote:I agree
Better but not quite yet a "playoff" defense
Nope. #32 in interceptions #28 in sacks and #26 in points against isn't good enough.
Quote:Nope. #32 in interceptions #28 in sacks and #26 in points against isn't good enough.
They do need more turnovers and sacks, but they are also 6th overall in yards per play and 10th overall with 4.8 forced punts a game. They're good enough to win games, but not good enough to carry a team. The total points would look a lot better if Blake could keep them off the field some by sustaining drives.
Quote:They do need more turnovers and sacks, but they are also 6th overall in yards per play and 10th overall with 4.8 forced punts a game. They're good enough to win games, but not good enough to carry a team. The total points would look a lot better if Blake could keep them off the field some by sustaining drives.
Yeah key difference this year is that the D can get crucial stops when needed. We just can't capitalize on them. A new scheme with 2/3 new additions and its a really nice defense you can build around.
Quote:just move Fowler back to LB where he flourished at UF to take over for an older Posz.
So your saying put him at middle linebacker?
Or bump Jack inside and put Fowler outside?
Quote:I firmly believe the whole "having a veteran to teach the rookie" is one of the most overrated cliches in sports.
Me too. Torry Holt said it best.