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I'm not going to bash Fowler after yesterday. He would've had a sack had it not been for another guy getting there a split second sooner. That happened twice IIRC. He also plays the run very well.


I wasn't for drafting him either, but he should at least be a guy that's disruptive for us and gets 6-8 sacks/year if used properly.

Fowler has potential, but so did Gabbert... He clearly looks our of place playing Leo. He just doesn't have the techniques and skill to play that position. I would move him to Olb.. And move Jack to Mlb.. Fowler needs to get in the weight room and get his strength up, if he ever looks to be a DE, otherwise the label as a bust will be warranted.

Quote:Fowler has potential, but so did Gabbert... He clearly looks our of place playing Leo. He just doesn't have the techniques and skill to play that position. I would move him to Olb.. And move Jack to Mlb.. Fowler needs to get in the weight room and get his strength up, if he ever looks to be a DE, otherwise the label as a bust will be warranted.

 

I think he just doesn't have many good pass rush moves.  He is out of ideas.  He would be better served to play more like the tasmanian devil - line him up all over the place, blitz him, stunt him.. do many things with him.  don't just line him up at DE and tell him to rush because right now he's not very good at that.

Quote:I think he just doesn't have many good pass rush moves. He is out of ideas. He would be better served to play more like the tasmanian devil - line him up all over the place, blitz him, stunt him.. do many things with him. don't just line him up at DE and tell him to rush because right now he's not very good at that.

Poorly coached player that is being forced into a poor scheme. Pretty much Fowler. Not ready to declare Fowler a bust, even though I hated the pick initially. That hit he put on Luck that Yannick picked off gives me hope that Fowler has potential to be really good. That was VIOLENT. He is basically still a rookie, and he has Gus as his coach. Willing to be patient with him.

The bright side of this thread is it has shown how many potential coaching candidates we have right here on this message board.

 

Our future is bright.

Maybe when they get a real coach they should just move Fowler back to LB where he flourished at UF to take over for an older Posz. Have Telvin Smith, Myles Jack, and Dante Fowler at LB and go get DE help in free agency. As far as speed goes, that would be the fastest 3 LB corps in NFL.

Quote:Maybe when they get a real coach they should just move Fowler back to LB where he flourished at UF to take over for an older Posz. Have Telvin Smith, Myles Jack, and Dante Fowler at LB and go get DE help in free agency. As far as speed goes, that would be the fastest 3 LB corps in NFL.

Except that he didn't flourish at LB at UF. He did a good job stand up rushing the A gap with inside blitzes...because he was unblocked most of the time. That was the extent of his success at LB. He didn't do anything impressive when he rushed standing up outside or dropping into some coverage at LB. 

It would certainly help if he had a veteran to look up to. Ask Beasley.


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Quote:Except that he didn't flourish at LB at UF. He did a good job stand up rushing the A gap with inside blitzes...because he was unblocked most of the time. That was the extent of his success at LB. He didn't do anything impressive when he rushed standing up outside or dropping into some coverage at LB.

You clearly never watched him play. He flourished. Was best LB in SEC and led SEC in TFL

Can Fowler beat a starting NFL tackle enough?

Quote:Except that he didn't flourish at LB at UF. He did a good job stand up rushing the A gap with inside blitzes...because he was unblocked most of the time. That was the extent of his success at LB. He didn't do anything impressive when he rushed standing up outside or dropping into some coverage at LB.

Ok, I know he didn't have a good spider chart, but no need to exaggerate like he was some scrub at UF.


He is a scrub in the NFL, I'll give you that.

Quote:You clearly never watched him play. He flourished. Was best LB in SEC and led SEC in TFL

 

Fowler played LB his freshman year (2012) then moved to DE.

 

In 2014 at DE, he was tied for 5th in the SEC in TFL (along with Alvin Dupree, Preston Smith, and Curt Maggitt all with 15.)

Quote:Ok, I know he didn't have a good spider chart, but no need to exaggerate like he was some scrub at UF.


He is a scrub in the NFL, I'll give you that.

He was schemed into his pass rushing success, and he was good against the run yes. He didn't beat LTs at all, and he didn't beat lead footed college RTs unless he got them to overset and then his inside counter move worked pretty well. Unfortunately those types of RTs are selling cars or insurance now, and we have seen what happens when he tries to do that against NFL RTs. 

 

My point was he didn't do anything at LB for UF. He did some inside A gap blitzing that was successful and then he kinda didn't do anything else of note. He didn't pass rush effectively from the LB spot and he didn't make any plays in the passing game as an LB either. 

Quote:Fowler played LB his freshman year (2012) then moved to DE.

 

In 2014 at DE, he was tied for 5th in the SEC in TFL (along with Alvin Dupree, Preston Smith, and Curt Maggitt all with 15.)

I'm acutely aware of what Fowler did at UF. I am pretty darn sure I have watched more of him than anyone that hasn't been paid to do so, and more than a lot of them who have been even.

Quote:I'm acutely aware of what Fowler did at UF. I am pretty darn sure I have watched more of him than anyone that hasn't been paid to do so, and more than a lot of them who have been even.

 

I think he's just in the wrong scheme and position. I think if we switched to a 3-4 defense he could flourish. But that's just my opinion.

Fowler was lauded for his motor. I'm not sure if it's his lack of passion or his lack of conditioning, but it just doesn't look like he's got that next level gear that will make him a stud.


It's his 1st year back since his knee injury, so I'm willing to give him another year. But one would need to be quite the apologist to not admit there is some level of concern based on his current performance.

Most every time we draft a gator....its a fail, Fred excluded.

Quote:I'm acutely aware of what Fowler did at UF. I am pretty darn sure I have watched more of him than anyone that hasn't been paid to do so, and more than a lot of them who have been even.

With all that film you watch, how do you have time to post on this board?

Quote:Fowler was lauded for his motor. I'm not sure if it's his lack of passion or his lack of conditioning, but it just doesn't look like he's got that next level gear that will make him a stud.


It's his 1st year back since his knee injury, so I'm willing to give him another year. But one would need to be quite the apologist to not admit there is some level of concern based on his current performance.

 

DL and DE are instinct positions you have be able to react immediately after recognizing what is going on. You can tell that he is having to think through things on the field, which greatly slows him down. He cannot show off his speed and athleticism if he is having to think what he is doing.

 

Basically this underscores the horrible job this coaching staff has done at development. They babied him this off season because of the ACL with a slow recovery, when they should have gone full out on recovery and use the rest of the off season to work on his craft and learning the position. Sure it sucked he got hurt, but it was a standard ACL injury, not rare version that required special recovery.

 

Plus this staff has not developed any pass rushers in 4 seasons, so why would we expect them to do that with Fowler.

 

We need a new coaching staff.