Quote:Beasley got another 2 sacks and a forced fumble today too.
i still think Fowler has the better career if he gets a real coach. That being said, if Beasley is better, although most people wanted Cooper. It took you 4 years to hit on a pick lol
He's not getting coached, all the coaches have been busy updating resumes and filling out job applications since week 3
Let's play him at LB, his real position. But before, they should offer him a brain implant
Quote:Of course he is a bust i said it when we drafted him! Derrick Harvey 2.0.. But he might be worst then him..
I believe I said that as well.
Quote:Because at the time Fowler was drafted we weren't going to win anything letting a player at a weak spot on the defense who had a high ceiling go for a player who could make an instant impact but just be average was the wrong move.
Amari Cooper and Leonard Williams are average?
Quote:Didn't we all think the same about Cyp and now he's grading out in the top 10 of safetys because he's being used how he should be.
No I never did and had many nice discussions here defending Cyprien.Most players are not NFL stars direct from college. They work at it.
So Fowler I am not sure about. He is too light right now.
He needs to get up around 285 and then we can see. He probably got drafted too high, we passed on some better players, so is that a bust?
I think he may be a decent player in a couple of years. So borderline bust as of today perhaps but it may change.
Quote:Amari Cooper and Leonard Williams are average?
Cooper has been inconsistent this year and a lot of his yards have come in a few games Crabtree has been better. Williams is an inside guy and at the time we drafted Fowler we thought we had that filled with Marks. Hindsight is nice for an argument but shouldn't carry much weight.
I made this thread 2 weeks ago and was screamed at saying it was too early. I'm telling you. If you have it you see flashes. He doesn't at all.
I believe he has more yards in penalties than the team has in rushing this year.
Quote:I believe he has more yards in penalties than the team has in rushing this year.
Though Blake Bortles' issues are with good reason getting more attention, the continuing penalties by DFJ might ultimately be the Defensive version of summing up the Jaguars situation this season.
DFJ could realistically have a highly productive NFL career once he's with different coaches and more time from the torn ACL. But the penalty frequency and type of penalties will be hard for the upper level of the Jags organization to overlook. Especially, with the losses piling up in a season that Shad Khan and Dave Caldwell expected plenty of tangible progress in the standings.
He should be an OLB, this scheme doesn't fit him at all. Problem is we have Telvin and Jack on the outside, so there really isn't anywhere for him to go. I guess trade him later?
New coaches will have a tough choice to make. They'll have to bench Poz and use Fowler, Jack, and Telvin as the starting LB's - IF they want to use Fowler correctly. He's been a complete idiot, and his weekly antics are old already.
I am not a fan of any college football team but I do think it is a bit early to consider him a bust. However it is clear that Fowler is not a smart player.
Quote:Fowler jr is a rookie playing a new position. Granted, I am a florida fan: I never bought the whole elite pass rusher thing. I thought drafting him was silly. But in fairness he's a rookie. Pass rushers take time.
This is the stupidest excuse I've ever heard. Same idiots used similar excuses to apologise for gabbert.
If you want to say it is too early to judge him, just say that. But he a is not a rookie. He is a second year player that needs time to develop. But his idiocy is not because "he's a rookie". Don't try to pull that weak sauce here.
Quote:I'll ask yet again, why do the people who think he should move to SAM say this other than to try to justify "playing out of position" as a reason for his inability to produce? It doesn't make sense that a guy who is already a very bad athlete would suddenly be better if he is switched to a position that requires more playing in space.
See? Saying Fowler is a bad athlete is misperception on your part. He's a great athlete doing something brand new. This team needs to switch to 3/4 next year. They only need 2 pieces to make it work.
Quote:See? Saying Fowler is a bad athlete is misperception on your part. He's a great athlete doing something brand new. This team needs to switch to 3/4 next year. They only need 2 pieces to make it work.
Fine by me. We seem to have allot of tweeners that could make a 3-4 very dangerous. Of course we need the right hc and dc to come in and implement it.
Fowler has moments that amaze me, he's physically very gifted. While he's a bit too aggressive and commits boneheaded penalties i'm actually on his side in saying the "unneccessary roughness" call on Osweiler by the sidelines was kinda B.S. if that were Bortles and Clowney... it's a no call.
Yes Fowler needs to reign in his game, yes he needs to get acclimated to the NFl, Yes he's still a rookie. he needs to expand his repertoire of pass rush moves. we knew when drafting him (after they moved him around a lot at UF) that he's very raw and needs to refine his technique. He was drafted because physically he's gifted and can do things at his size most people can't. If we can hone his athletic traits he could be the perfect DE. I think him and Ngakoue complement each other very well. While his penalties are maddening we need to be patient with him as rookie pass rushers (which he and Ngakoue are) rarely excel, but considering the state of the team at 2-7, I'm willing to bet with a better coaching staff and a fresh perspective we'll see more of the flashes we saw in the first 4 games from those 2.
Fowler will be fine, I'd also like to see Jack in the middle and Fowler tried at SLB at some point.
Quote:Fine by me. We seem to have allot of tweeners that could make a 3-4 very dangerous. Of course we need the right hc and dc to come in and implement it.
I've toyed with this idea a lot actually. I think it could work
LDE - Odrick/Sheldon Day
NT - Miller/Abry Jones
RDE - Malik Jackson/Sen'Derrick Marks
LOLB - Fowler
LILB - Myles Jack
RILB - Telvin Smith
ROLB - Yannick Ngakoue
The key here is, can we eat up enough blocks on the Dline to allow Telvin and Jack to fit the ILB spots without having to take on Guards every play at their size. And can Ngakoue stand up? we know Fowler's comfortable rushing the passer from a 2 point stance but would we be handicapping Yannick (who's been our best pass rusher along with Malik IMO) this set would also better utilize the talent on the Defensive linel
Man...off topic but watching the patriots and Seahawks..
Shows me how truly bad we suck.
I mean ...
The jags...SUUUUUUCK
Quote:See? Saying Fowler is a bad athlete is misperception on your part. He's a great athlete doing something brand new. This team needs to switch to 3/4 next year. They only need 2 pieces to make it work.
Hes not a great athlete
Quote:I've toyed with this idea a lot actually. I think it could work
LDE - Odrick/Sheldon Day
NT - Miller/Abry Jones
RDE - Malik Jackson/Sen'Derrick Marks
LOLB - Fowler
LILB - Myles Jack
RILB - Telvin Smith
ROLB - Yannick Ngakoue
The key here is, can we eat up enough blocks on the Dline to allow Telvin and Jack to fit the ILB spots without having to take on Guards every play at their size. And can Ngakoue stand up? we know Fowler's comfortable rushing the passer from a 2 point stance but would we be handicapping Yannick (who's been our best pass rusher along with Malik IMO) this set would also better utilize the talent on the Defensive linel
They still need a premium Nose Tackle if they plan to stick with the 3-4 which makes sense with the current personnel. I'd also be looking for another DE and pure OLB, not pass rush specialist. We have great speed from the LBers but we can't defend the run or get around the stronger offensive lines. I'd like to add some more muscle.
I would love to add a Calais Campbell if they let him walk now that i think about it.. ya know the guy we should have drafted over derrick harvey