(03-09-2022, 01:56 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 01:39 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Watch the video because the transcript isn't as clear.
I think it was Rubio, maybe wrong, but he's a RINO scum all over the effort to start a war.
Anyways, I don't think the propaganda said Ukraine, it was more pointed towards the US and NATO using Ukraine to create the bio weapons. Don't you think this very statement now is setting the stage for the CIA to release something and blame Russia? She said they were working to secure the labs, so therefore Russia doesn't control the labs. So how will they blame Russia for the release?
There is definitely propaganda on both sides but so far the US and Ukrainian side has been terrible. Everything they put out is being verified as fake or disinformation. Russia is looking more truthful right now. So let's see if they drop evidence that can be verified of what the labs were doing.
You say, "Russia is looking more truthful right now" when they have shut down the last vestiges of free speech and deny that there's a war going on, and after all the lies they've told?
Why are you parroting Russian disinformation like this? You have to be living in Russia to believe the stuff you post. Or working for the Russian government.
Why are we parroting American disinformation?
Because it's all we have.
(03-09-2022, 02:08 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 01:56 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You say, "Russia is looking more truthful right now" when they have shut down the last vestiges of free speech and deny that there's a war going on, and after all the lies they've told?
Why are you parroting Russian disinformation like this? You have to be living in Russia to believe the stuff you post. Or working for the Russian government.
Why are we parroting American disinformation?
Because it's all we have.
What American disinformation?
It’s a Globalist conspiracy.
I do think it's kinda funny that those screaming FAKE NEWS before are now saying our MSM is totally correct on the Russian-Ukraine border dispute.
(03-09-2022, 03:04 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I do think it's kinda funny that those screaming FAKE NEWS before are now saying our MSM is totally correct on the Russian-Ukraine border dispute.
To paraphrase Costanza, it's not fake if you believe it. But your point is valid.
(03-09-2022, 03:04 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I do think it's kinda funny that those screaming FAKE NEWS before are now saying our MSM is totally correct on the Russian-Ukraine border dispute.
Because the motive for the MSM was clear. Being agents of the left, it was plain as day there were willing to bend the truth for the sake of political expediency. What is their motive with Ukraine?
(03-09-2022, 03:04 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I do think it's kinda funny that those screaming FAKE NEWS before are now saying our MSM is totally correct on the Russian-Ukraine border dispute.
You are falling for a false narrative. Just because the media lies and Biden is a horrible president doesn’t mean Putin must be a good guy since they all say he is bad.
Yes the media lies, yes democrats have used Covid at large as an excuse to control and restrict the public at large, and yes Putin is evil and invading a sovereign nation.
The disinformation about Putin fighting the global order is nonsense look at who he is in bed with, China and Iran. If you can’t recognize that’s a new axis of evil I can’t help you.
America is flawed but when do the right start believing our faults are so great our hope is in Putin!?
I’m convinced if we are ever invaded half the country (which ever ones not in political power) will welcomes them as liberators.
(03-09-2022, 04:33 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 03:04 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I do think it's kinda funny that those screaming FAKE NEWS before are now saying our MSM is totally correct on the Russian-Ukraine border dispute.
Because the motive for the MSM was clear. Being agents of the left, it was plain as day there were willing to bend the truth for the sake of political expediency. What is their motive with Ukraine?
It’s the enemy of my enemy mentality. Somewhere along the line we stopped having opposing political party’s and now have opposing countries I don’t know who’s to blame.
I think this classifies as a WAR CRIME!
Putin sinks to another low: Maternity hospital in Mariupol is bombed leaving children buried under rubble and mothers injured as Zelensky accuses world leaders of being 'accomplices to terror' and Johnson calls attack 'depraved'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...PIb628tJa8
(03-09-2022, 04:59 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 03:04 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I do think it's kinda funny that those screaming FAKE NEWS before are now saying our MSM is totally correct on the Russian-Ukraine border dispute.
You are falling for a false narrative. Just because the media lies and Biden is a horrible president doesn’t mean Putin must be a good guy since they all say he is bad.
Yes the media lies, yes democrats have used Covid at large as an excuse to control and restrict the public at large, and yes Putin is evil and invading a sovereign nation.
The disinformation about Putin fighting the global order is nonsense look at who he is in bed with, China and Iran. If you can’t recognize that’s a new axis of evil I can’t help you.
America is flawed but when do the right start believing our faults are so great our hope is in Putin!?
I’m convinced if we are ever invaded half the country (which ever ones not in political power) will welcomes them as liberators.
(03-09-2022, 04:33 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Because the motive for the MSM was clear. Being agents of the left, it was plain as day there were willing to bend the truth for the sake of political expediency. What is their motive with Ukraine?
It’s the enemy of my enemy mentality. Somewhere along the line we stopped having opposing political party’s and now have opposing countries I don’t know who’s to blame.
The thing is? Biden is in bed with all of them. This is only happening because [BLEEP] Americans elected a piece of [BLEEP] like lying Biden. [BLEEP] morons. Now we reap what we sow. Enjoy it America.
[BLEEP] them all.
(03-09-2022, 04:59 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2022, 04:33 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Because the motive for the MSM was clear. Being agents of the left, it was plain as day there were willing to bend the truth for the sake of political expediency. What is their motive with Ukraine?
It’s the enemy of my enemy mentality. Somewhere along the line we stopped having opposing political party’s and now have opposing countries I don’t know who’s to blame.
That is where things are heading and we've got to stop it. Two things are happening at the same time. Democrats are changing their opinions very rapidly. For instance, transgender issues were never even discussed then suddenly you're a bigot if you don't celebrate them. And Republicans are becoming more and more corrosive of our institutions and goodwill as each new generation of right wingers takes the maxim that "the government is the problem" more and more literally.
But blame is about the past.
For the future, we have to do a better job of listening to each other. Making each other feel like they've been heard. You might disagree with Pelosi, but if you insult her, you're also insulting the hundreds of thousands of people who elect her as their representative, and the hundreds of equally elected representatives who elect her as speaker. It works out to insulting over a hundred million people, just by insulting Pelosi. We have to be less cavalier with such insults. We don't have to give those hundreds of millions of Democrats exactly what they want. But we can't spit on them either.
Conservatives are correct. They just can't articulate why. Our government is corrupt. The corporate-government carousel that is occurring at the highest levels is hurting regular Americans. It's also the reason why they are instinctively correct to mistrust the media.
(03-09-2022, 08:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Conservatives are correct. They just can't articulate why. Our government is corrupt. The corporate-government carousel that is occurring at the highest levels is hurting regular Americans. It's also the reason why they are instinctively correct to mistrust the media.
I agree that there is corruption, but we have to do more than just point it out to defeat it. We have to participate, and build a coalition that wants to do more than just fight pointless culture wars. We have to build a coalition that wants to reform government and make governing a respectable job again. Mistrusting any media is a dead end. Saying "the government is the problem" is a dead end. They only inspire inaction.
(03-09-2022, 01:56 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 01:39 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Watch the video because the transcript isn't as clear.
I think it was Rubio, maybe wrong, but he's a RINO scum all over the effort to start a war.
Anyways, I don't think the propaganda said Ukraine, it was more pointed towards the US and NATO using Ukraine to create the bio weapons. Don't you think this very statement now is setting the stage for the CIA to release something and blame Russia? She said they were working to secure the labs, so therefore Russia doesn't control the labs. So how will they blame Russia for the release?
There is definitely propaganda on both sides but so far the US and Ukrainian side has been terrible. Everything they put out is being verified as fake or disinformation. Russia is looking more truthful right now. So let's see if they drop evidence that can be verified of what the labs were doing.
You say, "Russia is looking more truthful right now" when they have shut down the last vestiges of free speech and deny that there's a war going on, and after all the lies they've told?
Why are you parroting Russian disinformation like this? You have to be living in Russia to believe the stuff you post. Or working for the Russian government.
This testimony came from the US undersecretary. I just watched the video of her being questioned by Rubio. How is this Russian disinformation? Our own gov has been lying about the existence of these labs right to our faces up until this testimony
(03-09-2022, 08:47 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 08:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Conservatives are correct. They just can't articulate why. Our government is corrupt. The corporate-government carousel that is occurring at the highest levels is hurting regular Americans. It's also the reason why they are instinctively correct to mistrust the media.
I agree that there is corruption, but we have to do more than just point it out to defeat it. We have to participate, and build a coalition that wants to do more than just fight pointless culture wars. We have to build a coalition that wants to reform government and make governing a respectable job again. Mistrusting any media is a dead end. Saying "the government is the problem" is a dead end. They only inspire inaction.
You can't do what you are saying while also championing the government and media. They are part of the same corrupt system. The media, by and large, serves corporate and government interests. The government, by and large, serves the elite and giant corporations. We are lost in the wash.
(03-09-2022, 10:24 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 08:47 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that there is corruption, but we have to do more than just point it out to defeat it. We have to participate, and build a coalition that wants to do more than just fight pointless culture wars. We have to build a coalition that wants to reform government and make governing a respectable job again. Mistrusting any media is a dead end. Saying "the government is the problem" is a dead end. They only inspire inaction.
You can't do what you are saying while also championing the government and media. They are part of the same corrupt system. The media, by and large, serves corporate and government interests. The government, by and large, serves the elite and giant corporations. We are lost in the wash.
I'm not championing the government or the media.
I am saying that there will always be a government and some media, we just want both to be less corrupt. I could say a lot more, but my prime directive is reform that prevents revolution or civil war. I'm not sure what yours is.
(03-09-2022, 09:18 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 01:56 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You say, "Russia is looking more truthful right now" when they have shut down the last vestiges of free speech and deny that there's a war going on, and after all the lies they've told?
Why are you parroting Russian disinformation like this? You have to be living in Russia to believe the stuff you post. Or working for the Russian government.
This testimony came from the US undersecretary. I just watched the video of her being questioned by Rubio. How is this Russian disinformation? Our own gov has been lying about the existence of these labs right to our faces up until this testimony
Well apparently it was disinformation by the under secretary because they put a statement out saying the US doesn't have any chemical and bio weapons labs in Ukraine. Biden camp is going full coverup at this point. I'm sure stuff was going on there since they do it outside the US but they must be worried about something to be fighting this hard to deny the labs existed.
Russia says today that they have evidence of the labs and bio weapons that were being produced. We will see if they produce the evidence or not.
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(03-10-2022, 02:00 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2022, 09:18 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]This testimony came from the US undersecretary. I just watched the video of her being questioned by Rubio. How is this Russian disinformation? Our own gov has been lying about the existence of these labs right to our faces up until this testimony
Well apparently it was disinformation by the under secretary because they put a statement out saying the US doesn't have any chemical and bio weapons labs in Ukraine. Biden camp is going full coverup at this point. I'm sure stuff was going on there since they do it outside the US but they must be worried about something to be fighting this hard to deny the labs existed.
Russia says today that they have evidence of the labs and bio weapons that were being produced. We will see if they produce the evidence or not.
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The US does not have any chemical or bio weapons labs in Ukraine.
And, why do you keep parroting Russian lies? Have you not seen with your own eyes what is happening in Ukraine right now, and the lies the Russians are telling their own people?
(03-10-2022, 08:10 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2022, 02:00 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Well apparently it was disinformation by the under secretary because they put a statement out saying the US doesn't have any chemical and bio weapons labs in Ukraine. Biden camp is going full coverup at this point. I'm sure stuff was going on there since they do it outside the US but they must be worried about something to be fighting this hard to deny the labs existed.
Russia says today that they have evidence of the labs and bio weapons that were being produced. We will see if they produce the evidence or not.
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The US does not have any chemical or bio weapons labs in Ukraine.
And, why do you keep parroting Russian lies? Have you not seen with your own eyes what is happening in Ukraine right now, and the lies the Russians are telling their own people?
I guess the hair to split here is who was funding these labs and are they biolabs vs biowarfare labs. We were funding them in China. Why not Ukraine, which we have had closer ties to than China? We'll see how it unfolds, but to say this is 'Russian disinformation' seems a little premature at this point. Unless of course, you trust our government unreservedly as a paragon of truth, in which case, your mind is probably already made up.
