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(04-29-2022, 09:52 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2022, 09:23 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]You, and biased MSM, and biased MSM, and many other biased MSM outlets, but OK.

It's weird how his perspective is exactly the same as theirs.

Merely coincidence.

(04-29-2022, 09:23 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2022, 09:14 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Me, and NPR, and BBC, and many others, but OK.

You, and biased MSM, and biased MSM, and many other biased MSM outlets, but OK.

Point is, it wasn't just me.
Bunny said I was the only one who interpreted Trump that way.
I wasn't. 
Bunny was wrong. And I was right.
But I got bashed, again, by two other posters, for a wrong thing I didn't say. 
All because none of you can fathom that Trump might be sincerely misinformed.

(04-29-2022, 10:56 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2022, 09:23 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]You, and biased MSM, and biased MSM, and many other biased MSM outlets, but OK.

Point is, it wasn't just me.
Bunny said I was the only one who interpreted Trump that way.
I wasn't. 
Bunny was wrong. And I was right.
But I got bashed, again, by two other posters, for a wrong thing I didn't say. 
All because none of you can fathom that Trump might be sincerely misinformed.

I said with a discernible pulse…

(04-29-2022, 10:56 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2022, 09:23 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]You, and biased MSM, and biased MSM, and many other biased MSM outlets, but OK.

Point is, it wasn't just me.
Bunny said I was the only one who interpreted Trump that way.
I wasn't. 
Bunny was wrong. And I was right.
But I got bashed, again, by two other posters, for a wrong thing I didn't say. 
All because none of you can fathom that Trump might be sincerely misinformed.

Again, you have redirected the conversation to avoid the point. The original premise made by me was that Trump held NATO accountable for not paying their obligated share. It was then that you intentionally entered into another one your games of semantics in order to promote yourself and to avoid the assertion. You’re a disingenuous putz.

(04-29-2022, 10:56 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2022, 09:23 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]You, and biased MSM, and biased MSM, and many other biased MSM outlets, but OK.

Point is, it wasn't just me.
Bunny said I was the only one who interpreted Trump that way.
I wasn't. 
Bunny was wrong. And I was right.
But I got bashed, again, by two other posters, for a wrong thing I didn't say. 
All because none of you can fathom that Trump might be sincerely misinformed.

Pedant gonna Pee.

(04-29-2022, 11:11 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2022, 10:56 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Point is, it wasn't just me.
Bunny said I was the only one who interpreted Trump that way.
I wasn't. 
Bunny was wrong. And I was right.
But I got bashed, again, by two other posters, for a wrong thing I didn't say. 
All because none of you can fathom that Trump might be sincerely misinformed.

Again, you have redirected the conversation to avoid the point. The original premise made by me was that Trump held NATO accountable for not paying their obligated share. It was then that you intentionally entered into another one your games of semantics in order to promote yourself and to avoid the assertion. You’re a disingenuous putz.

I acknowledged that point.
You should be satisfied.
I did follow up, with more information that was not personal to you.
I know I would feel satisfied if someone here acknowledged and expanded on the points I'm making.
Instead my point usually not acknowledged and more often the response includes a personal attack.  
That doesn't expand the conversation.  That drags it down.
It's you guys doing that.
Making it about me.
But you'll blame me anyhow, go ahead.

(04-29-2022, 12:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2022, 11:11 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Again, you have redirected the conversation to avoid the point. The original premise made by me was that Trump held NATO accountable for not paying their obligated share. It was then that you intentionally entered into another one your games of semantics in order to promote yourself and to avoid the assertion. You’re a disingenuous putz.

I acknowledged that point.
You should be satisfied.
I did follow up, with more information that was not personal to you.
I know I would feel satisfied if someone here acknowledged and expanded on the points I'm making.
Instead my point usually not acknowledged and more often the response includes a personal attack.  
That doesn't expand the conversation.  That drags it down.
It's you guys doing that.
Making it about me.
But you'll blame me anyhow, go ahead.

I stand corrected, Mike, you did acknowledge my point (kind of). Adding to that, I shouldn't have called you a name. That's not my style and I apologize.

(04-29-2022, 01:21 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2022, 12:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I acknowledged that point.
You should be satisfied.
I did follow up, with more information that was not personal to you.
I know I would feel satisfied if someone here acknowledged and expanded on the points I'm making.
Instead my point usually not acknowledged and more often the response includes a personal attack.  
That doesn't expand the conversation.  That drags it down.
It's you guys doing that.
Making it about me.
But you'll blame me anyhow, go ahead.

I stand corrected, Mike, you did acknowledge my point (kind of). Adding to that, I shouldn't have called you a name. That's not my style and I apologize.

I appreciate that.  No problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iw3Up_wb_s

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Maybe Russell Brand will give you an alternative perspective to the sources you consume. I have really grown to like this guy.

(04-29-2022, 08:05 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]

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Maybe Russell Brand will give you an alternative perspective to the sources you consume. I have really grown to like this guy.

The 9:00 mark says it all.

(04-29-2022, 08:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2022, 08:05 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]

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Maybe Russell Brand will give you an alternative perspective to the sources you consume. I have really grown to like this guy.

The 9:00 mark says it all.

Dude isn't wrong.

(04-29-2022, 08:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2022, 08:05 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]

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Maybe Russell Brand will give you an alternative perspective to the sources you consume. I have really grown to like this guy.

The 9:00 mark says it all.

Russel Brand might be the most insightful actor or comedian in the English language business today.  

He's right that integrity is lacking, and he's right that the friends and family of establishment politicians enrich themselves by appearing to be influential.

He's wrong that Trump presents any real alternative on this front.  Trump's three eldest children and his son in law obviously enriched themselves greatly while and because dad was President.

Quote:He's wrong that Trump presents any real alternative on this front.  Trump's three eldest children and his son in law obviously enriched themselves greatly while and because dad was President.

He actually didn't say that.

(04-29-2022, 11:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2022, 08:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The 9:00 mark says it all.

Russel Brand might be the most insightful actor or comedian in the English language business today.  

He's right that integrity is lacking, and he's right that the friends and family of establishment politicians enrich themselves by appearing to be influential.

He's wrong that Trump presents any real alternative on this front.  Trump's three eldest children and his son in law obviously enriched themselves greatly while and because dad was President.

How do you know this?

(04-30-2022, 09:20 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2022, 11:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Russel Brand might be the most insightful actor or comedian in the English language business today.  

He's right that integrity is lacking, and he's right that the friends and family of establishment politicians enrich themselves by appearing to be influential.

He's wrong that Trump presents any real alternative on this front.  Trump's three eldest children and his son in law obviously enriched themselves greatly while and because dad was President.

How do you know this?

The Saudis could have picked anyone to manage their investments. Suddenly they pick Kushner.  There are publicly owned places all over the developed world that are fit to host a US President.  But Trump decided to stay in the resorts that his sons manage whenever he travelled, and of course the whole entourage had to buy rooms there.

(04-30-2022, 09:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-30-2022, 09:20 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]How do you know this?

The Saudis could have picked anyone to manage their investments. Suddenly they pick Kushner.  There are publicly owned places all over the developed world that are fit to host a US President.  But Trump decided to stay in the resorts that his sons manage whenever he travelled, and of course the whole entourage had to buy rooms there.

And that was at more or less than the market rate?

(04-30-2022, 10:11 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-30-2022, 09:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The Saudis could have picked anyone to manage their investments. Suddenly they pick Kushner.  There are publicly owned places all over the developed world that are fit to host a US President.  But Trump decided to stay in the resorts that his sons manage whenever he travelled, and of course the whole entourage had to buy rooms there.

And that was at more or less than the market rate?

Markets get quite distorted when a large buyer is locked-in

(04-30-2022, 11:52 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-30-2022, 10:11 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]And that was at more or less than the market rate?

Markets get quite distorted when a large buyer is locked-in

So did the US Government get a deal or not?

(04-30-2022, 01:49 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-30-2022, 11:52 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Markets get quite distorted when a large buyer is locked-in

So did the US Government get a deal or not?

Maybe.  And maybe Hunter Biden gave valuable insights to the Ukrainian energy company's board.
Jimmy Carter sold his peanut farm.  Trump and his family could have temporarily divested too.

(04-30-2022, 08:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-30-2022, 01:49 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]So did the US Government get a deal or not?

Maybe.  And maybe Hunter Biden gave valuable insights to the Ukrainian energy company's board.
Jimmy Carter sold his peanut farm.  Trump and his family could have temporarily divested too.

So you don't really know anything but decided it was bad anyway? Color me shocked.