06-13-2016, 09:49 AM
Quote:Sober in a nightclub? Who does that?
Responsible gun owners who possess a CCW if they were permitted to do so. Designated Drivers do it pretty much every night.
Quote:Sober in a nightclub? Who does that?
Quote:Last Call is generally a local ordinance, here where we are it's usually at 1:45 with closing at 2am. Orlando is the same AFAIK.
Quote:You really want people carrying guns in a nightclub? Drinking heavily and guns doesn't seem like a great mix.Understood, and as I noted, I do think it would lead to an increase in gun violence. Still, I don't think that increase in concealed carry will greatly increase the danger posed by those most likely to do harm, as they would pack anyway. It might have a detterent effect, or a more active stopping effect in the event of actual violence. Given that I don't see gun restriction increasing, not sure what other good alternatives there are.
Quote:That's quite oppressive. Seems you like your alcohol more regulated than your guns? Should have shed some blood over that.
Quote:I agree, I oppose those kinds of ordinances. I cannot even walk across the street outside my house to a neighbors with an open beer without fear of arrest. That is exactly the kind of Nanny State-ism I'm against.
Quote:As i stated above, the declaration of a caliphate is a call to arms for the faith. The credibility of the caliphate is predicated on its ability to hold land. Whether the attacks were bonafide planned by ISIS or just ISIS inspired is irrelevant (although in the case of San Bernandino there is evidence to support the idea that it was a greater plot and ISIS had foreshadowing of an attack in Florida 3 days ago and almost immediate claims of responsibility.) The point is that the thing drawing people from countries across the world to join this fight is the doctrinal definition of a caliphate and the success ISIS has in establishing defacto statehood (holding land). The way to sever the tie is to destroy or displace the caliphate. Until then you will see the frequency of these attacks continue to increase until the 4.5 billion comply with the beliefs of the 1.6 billion.So did you read rfc's post (around page 6?) regarding the widespread support for Sharia law in many of these countries? Pretty sure that is in a lot of areas that are outside of ISIS control or immediate influence. Also seem to recall Bin Laden supported hitting US more than building a caliphate, so again, don't see the caliphate as key. And if you agree with what rfc seems to be saying (as your 'beliefs of the 1.6 billion seems to imply), are you saying we need to destroy or displace all of those 1.6 billion? Not quite sure what you are getting at. Nut jobs kill for a number of reasons, they did it well before ISIS, and will do it after ISIS.
Quote:Are people actually implying alcohol had anything to do with this massacre?
Quote:Robert Lewis Dear
Eric Rudolph
Charles Barbee
Ronald Gay
To the best of my knowledge, all identified with Christian movements.
Seems to me in these cases, as well as the one in Orlando, we have chucklehead losers trying to attach their twisted world views on a religion in which the vast majority do not support their actions.
Quote:So of those 1 was within the last year?
you are almost helping my point. Christian movements are far less likely to carry out violent murderous actions than radical muslim movements.
I don't have twisted world views, I spent 407 days of my life in that stupid country around that religion and saw hwo it treated woman, and how it thought of people as expendable to push their agenda. I've got a bachelors degree and am working on a second one at the moment. My alma maters chaplin was a muslim woman who preeched to the school on islam relations and how its a religion of peace. While being talked down to by muslim men at the school. The vast majority from many parts of the world do support their actions and the considerable amount that don't are not considerable enough. After paris they held a soccer game in Turkey and did a minute of silence for the French victims, in the moment of silence the crowd just chanted allah akbar.
How do you propose filtering the good vs the bad muslim population. Because there are enough bad ones to treat the entire race with caution.
Quote:Yes it is. We know the media are proven liars. We know that NORAD and Pentagon officials lied so many times to the 9/11 Commission that the Commission considered criminal charges. We know that nobody died at Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing was a hoax with staged amputees and phony blood packets. So all diligent citizens have a natural skepticism about these events.And I thought *I* was the most anti-government person on this board...
Quote:At the exact same time that many are advocating that you give up that right and the tools to exercise it. Because if you disarm the good guys then the bad guys will quit being bad.#feelthebern right?
Quote:He had a drink? Doesn't sound like a very good Muslim.
Quote:So of those 1 was within the last year?
you are almost helping my point. Christian movements are far less likely to carry out violent murderous actions than radical muslim movements.
I don't have twisted world views, I spent 407 days of my life in that stupid country around that religion and saw hwo it treated woman, and how it thought of people as expendable to push their agenda. I've got a bachelors degree and am working on a second one at the moment. My alma maters chaplin was a muslim woman who preeched to the school on islam relations and how its a religion of peace. While being talked down to by muslim men at the school. The vast majority from many parts of the world do support their actions and the considerable amount that don't are not considerable enough. After paris they held a soccer game in Turkey and did a minute of silence for the French victims, in the moment of silence the crowd just chanted allah akbar.
How do you propose filtering the good vs the bad muslim population. Because there are enough bad ones to treat the entire race with caution.
Quote:Dude, might want to try reading a little closer. My comment about twisted world views was directly and explicitly referring to those nut job Christian killers as well as the nut job killer in Orlando. And there is a one year moratorium? To me the issue is not are there idiot Christians or idiot Muslims, but idiot people, and how do we deal with any of them. I have referred to the issues with the Pew Research results, and that is definitely a concern, so I am not just blowing that off. There are definitively some cultural issues not only regarding feminism, or alternative sexuality, but broader issues that I feel merit a discussion of how to approach cultures with strong belief in Sharia, for example. Regarding the soccer game, I have no idea if what Ozsari said was bull or not, but it does offer a different perspective. But it is your last section that really intrigues me. Filtering the good vs the bad ..what? The muslim race? How about we try to figure out solutions to the actions of individuals causing the harm, or do you really feel that 1.6 billion are ready to come over here and blow stuff up? Oh, and maybe I missed it in a previous post (thus making you not the only one who needs to read closer) but what country are you talking about spending 407 days in?
Quote:The FBI and DHS investigate this guy...oh, wait, he WORKS for the DHS. In fact, his company is the one "resettling" Middle Eastern "refugees" in every U.S. State. Hmm. Anyhoo, they investigate this guy so they know about the domestic abuse, homophobia, and terrorist threats to coworkers. So he's perfectly safe.Yeah, because the organization that brought us hour long lines and taking our shoes off for security couldn't be incompetent, it must be a brilliant, intricate conspiracy.