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I don't have time to read 49 pages...who has actually been interviewed other than Coughlin?

Quote:I would be happy with either candidate too.

 

I don't know if I can say that Marrone is a better coach than Smith, but I can buy the argument that if Jacksonville would benefit more from an offensive coach and Marrone can lend some stability and continuity to Bortles.

 

Part of me is also rooting for Marrone because he got a bum rap after his stint with Buffalo and it seems pretty exaggerated and skewed. From everything I have read about him he is a good guy who loves the game and the redemption story is always a good one to be a part of. 

This is fun. Paging through all the posts that say " I really feel" or the definitive statements like "We're sure to go 6-10 if you hire ..."

 

Highly amusing.

 

 

Small things amuse small minds.

Quote:I wouldnt say bonheaded with Mike Smith but just not with this team needs. His playoff record speaks for itself. He also had a stacked team. Hes not going to have a Matt Ryan here. We need a offensive coach.

 

Why do we need an 'offensive coach'?  They have this position called offensive coordinator.

Quote:Why do we need an 'offensive coach'?  They have this position called offensive coordinator.

 

Because math!

 

Offensive Head Coach + Offensive Coordinator = 2x the Offense! 

 

 

See?! Science!

Quote:This is fun. Paging through all the posts that say " I really feel" or the definitive statements like "We're sure to go 6-10 if you hire ..."

 

Highly amusing.

 

 

Small things amuse small minds.

 

I can barely see yours.

Quote:I can barely see yours.

 

I think your thinking of what your gf says to you. :yes: 

Quote:Okay...well arguing we need an offensive coach is different from classifying a Smith hire as "boneheaded" or even "average."

 

I understand the argument for an offensive coach, though I submit the presence of a defensive coach does not preclude the development of a Super Bowl winning QB.

 

As for Smith, I do have concerns about him.

 

I recall the loss in the playoffs to New England in 2007.  Brady had ungodly numbers in that game, something like 26-28. 

 

It seems as if we stayed in a soft zone the entire game and he picked it apart the entire game.  I don't recall any sort of wrinkle thrown in that had any impact on Brady.  My concern is that a similar approach would be employed here.  I would consider that particularly wasteful given Ramsey's man and press cover abilities.  I would hope Smith would be flexible enough to throw in more man and bump and run coverages, which would make him more apt to blitz.  I would also have concerns about Smith hiring a strong offensive coordinator.

My main concerns with Smith are pretty straight forward. When he was here, it was widely suggested that he was pretty laid back, and more of a players coach. With this team, we need someone who is going to be more disciplined and less buddy buddy with the players. Did he fit that more structured, disciplined mold in Atlanta?


The other concern is who he brings in as his offensive coordinator. He isn't the sexy hire because he's a defensive guy. He's going to need to nail it with the OC hire to get fans excited.


Regarding Shanahan, it sounds like he covets the Denver gig. I'm not sure I would want another coordinator on the rise in his first head coaching gig, so I'm hoping Denver does us a favor and takes him out of the equation.


I'm not a fan of McDaniels either. Same with Patricia. Both are products of the system their boss has in place. McDaniels benefits greatly from coaching one of the best to ever play QB. Patricia is basically calling the plays Belichick has drawn up. I don't trust that either would be successful away from Belichick.


I see Mike Smith as the safe pick. I'd be okay if we somehow landed Shanahan. I'd be disappointed if the team went with any Patriot coordinator.

I would  pick between TC, Josh MC, or go the college route.

Quote:My main concerns with Smith are pretty straight forward. When he was here, it was widely suggested that he was pretty laid back, and more of a players coach. With this team, we need someone who is going to be more disciplined and less buddy buddy with the players. Did he fit that more structured, disciplined mold in Atlanta?


The other concern is who he brings in as his offensive coordinator. He isn't the sexy hire because he's a defensive guy. He's going to need to nail it with the OC hire to get fans excited.


Regarding Shanahan, it sounds like he covets the Denver gig. I'm not sure I would want another coordinator on the rise in his first head coaching gig, so I'm hoping Denver does us a favor and takes him out of the equation.


I'm not a fan of McDaniels either. Same with Patricia. Both are products of the system their boss has in place. McDaniels benefits greatly from coaching one of the best to ever play QB. Patricia is basically calling the plays Belichick has drawn up. I don't trust that either would be successful away from Belichick.


I see Mike Smith as the safe pick. I'd be okay if we somehow landed Shanahan. I'd be disappointed if the team went with any Patriot coordinator.

So who do you like then? 

Quote:So who do you like then?

Coughlin, but that's not happening. I'd be fine with Smith, although it would almost feel like a fallback hire.

Quote:My main concerns with Smith are pretty straight forward. When he was here, it was widely suggested that he was pretty laid back, and more of a players coach. With this team, we need someone who is going to be more disciplined and less buddy buddy with the players. Did he fit that more structured, disciplined mold in Atlanta?


The other concern is who he brings in as his offensive coordinator. He isn't the sexy hire because he's a defensive guy. He's going to need to nail it with the OC hire to get fans excited.


Regarding Shanahan, it sounds like he covets the Denver gig. I'm not sure I would want another coordinator on the rise in his first head coaching gig, so I'm hoping Denver does us a favor and takes him out of the equation.


I'm not a fan of McDaniels either. Same with Patricia. Both are products of the system their boss has in place. McDaniels benefits greatly from coaching one of the best to ever play QB. Patricia is basically calling the plays Belichick has drawn up. I don't trust that either would be successful away from Belichick.


I see Mike Smith as the safe pick. I'd be okay if we somehow landed Shanahan. I'd be disappointed if the team went with any Patriot coordinator.

 

Bravo. 100% agree.

Quote:My main concerns with Smith are pretty straight forward. When he was here, it was widely suggested that he was pretty laid back, and more of a players coach. With this team, we need someone who is going to be more disciplined and less buddy buddy with the players. Did he fit that more structured, disciplined mold in Atlanta?


The other concern is who he brings in as his offensive coordinator. He isn't the sexy hire because he's a defensive guy. He's going to need to nail it with the OC hire to get fans excited.


Regarding Shanahan, it sounds like he covets the Denver gig. I'm not sure I would want another coordinator on the rise in his first head coaching gig, so I'm hoping Denver does us a favor and takes him out of the equation.


I'm not a fan of McDaniels either. Same with Patricia. Both are products of the system their boss has in place. McDaniels benefits greatly from coaching one of the best to ever play QB. Patricia is basically calling the plays Belichick has drawn up. I don't trust that either would be successful away from Belichick.


I see Mike Smith as the safe pick. I'd be okay if we somehow landed Shanahan. I'd be disappointed if the team went with any Patriot coordinator.

We finally agree. Mike Smith is a laid back players coach, tell me where you heard that before. No coordinator on this team should be kept as well.


Coughlin is what this team needs.

Quote:We finally agree. Mike Smith is a laid back players coach, tell me where you heard that before. No coordinator on this team should be kept as well.

If this was the case, how does he turn around Atlanta with the Mike Vick and Bobby Petrino situation? A laid back coach doesn't get a locker room focused like that.


A job as a DC and a HC is different. If you think he runs things the same way in both gigs you're crazy.

I actually really like the idea of hiring Mike Smith. He has proven he can win games as a coach. The playoff record isn't ideal, but 5 games is such a small sample size. Anything can happen in the playoffs, and the Falcons lost to some pretty good teams when Smith was coach.


Forget worrying if the next coach can bring us to the Super Bowl. This franchise is in a whole different universe than the Big Game. 15 wins in 4 years, and some of us are worried about a deep playoff run? LOL.

Quote:We finally agree. Mike Smith is a laid back players coach, tell me where you heard that before. No coordinator on this team should be kept as well.

Where have I heard that before? I watched it during his tenure here. I didn't need to hear it from anyone.


New coach will bring in his own staff. I don't expect anyone from the current staff to be carried over.

Quote:If this was the case, how does he turn around Atlanta with the Mike Vick and Bobby Petrino situation? A laid back coach doesn't get a locker room focused like that.


A job as a DC and a HC is different. If you think he runs things the same way in both gigs you're crazy.

I'm not saying he runs things the same, but coordinators who ascend to head coaching positions don't normally deviate from what got them to this point since it appears to have worked for them. Gus was a players coach. So was Del Rio. When Jack attempted to deviate from that, the results were terrible.

Quote:Because math!

 

Offensive Head Coach + Offensive Coordinator = 2x the Offense! 

 

 

See?! Science!

I like your social studies. 

Quote:I actually really like the idea of hiring Mike Smith. He has proven he can win games as a coach. The playoff record isn't ideal, but 5 games is such a small sample size. Anything can happen in the playoffs, and the Falcons lost to some pretty good teams when Smith was coach.


Forget worrying if the next coach can bring us to the Super Bowl. This franchise is in a whole different universe than the Big Game. 15 wins in 4 years, and some of us are worried about a deep playoff run? LOL.

Mike Smith won 13 games twice.....

 

I think he would be just fine here in Jacksonville. I know it could seem like a fallback hire but he might not be around long enough to be a fallback. If they like him, they need to make him the coach because other teams have interest,

Quote:I'm not saying he runs things the same, but coordinators who ascend to head coaching positions don't normally deviate from what got them to this point since it appears to have worked for them. Gus was a players coach. So was Del Rio. When Jack attempted to deviate from that, the results were terrible.

Ok, but again, if he's a laid back players coach how does he get an entire locker room focused when it was under all the scrutiny it was in his first season at HC with a rookie QB? He turned them from 4-12 to 11-5 with everything that was happening.