Quote:I think the pick for JAX is between Clowney, Watkins, Mack and Bridgewater in that order. Maybe Dave can trick CLE or OAK into trading up for a QB and we snag Mack or Watkins in. I'm ok with us drafting Watkins at the three because he's going to a monster on the field. Jags already have a boatload of picks later in the draft, so a trade up could come into play.
As long as they get any of the four I mentioned i'll be happy.
I agree with that list in order also
Quote:Now that we are improving and moving down the draft board, it is becoming less likely we'll get Bridgewater, Clowney or even Barr. With 2 more wins (quite possible), we could move out of the top 7 if other bottom tiered teams continue to flounder. If that is the case, I believe Caldwell will go BAP again. One guy in that range is Sammy Watkins. I may be on an island here, but I would be in favor of picking up this guy. NFL Draft Scout.com says "he is quick, strong and possessing the explosive speed to burn corners who challenge him in bump and run coverage. Watkins explodes off the line of scrimmage and out of his breaks, easily separating from defenders. Most impressive, however, is the fluidity with which he catches the ball and gets upfield. There, his vision and maneuverability make him a threat to score from anywhere." In my humble opinion, even if Blackmon comes back (and stays back), we need a burner. A deep threat that the safety must respect. Teams would think twice about putting 8 or even 9 in the box against us. It would also open up things for Blackmon who is an effective possession receiver who can break tackles. Shorts would be matched up favorably as well. I've been seeing 8 in the box for far too long and I've realized that Blackmon isn't the kind of receiver that commands respect to stretch the field. Of course, if we lose out the rest of the way, I'd like Clowney or Barr but if we move up to 7 or above, I'd be happy to get him and, with the depth of the QB class, we may get a good one in the 2nd round. Your thoughts?
With all that has happened in Free Agency with the defense, Watkins is now who I hope Caldwell targets in round 1. I don't think he will be there if we trade down though. The Rams might even snag him at #2. I would be fine with Watkins at #3 if we can't trade down. If we do trade down, to say #8 with the Vikings, I wonder what Caldwell thinks of Mike Evans that high. Blackmon might not contribute at all this year, Shorts has been injury-prone and he is probably not as good as his second season indicated. IMO, we HAVE to get a starting WR in the first two rounds. Watkins and Evans could be impact players, but 3 or 4 other WR's could be very solid starters. We also still NEED a starting OG and starting Center. The "need" for a QB has been pushed down the list with Henne being the clear starter now.
Rnd1 - WR S. Watkins
Rnd2 - OG David Yankey
Rnd3 - OC Marcus Martin or Travis Swanson
or with trade down to #6-#11
Rnd1 - WR M. Evans
Rnd2 - OG David Yankey
Rnd2 - QB Jimmy Garoppolo
Rnd3 - OC M. Martin or T. Swanson
Rnd4 - RB Leche Seastrunk
Rnd4- QB Aarron Murray or Brad Smith
Rnd5- TE Arthur Lynch
Quote:With all that has happened in Free Agency with the defense, Watkins is now who I hope Caldwell targets in round 1. I don't think he will be there if we trade down though. The Rams might even snag him at #2. I would be fine with Watkins at #3 if we can't trade down. If we do trade down, to say #8 with the Vikings, I wonder what Caldwell thinks of Mike Evans that high. Blackmon might not contribute at all this year, Shorts has been injury-prone and he is probably not as good as his second season indicated. IMO, we HAVE to get a starting WR in the first two rounds. Watkins and Evans could be impact players, but 3 or 4 other WR's could be very solid starters. We also still NEED a starting OG and starting Center. The "need" for a QB has been pushed down the list with Henne being the clear starter now.
Rnd1 - WR S. Watkins
Rnd2 - OG David Yankey
Rnd3 - OC Marcus Martin or Travis Swanson
or with trade down to #6-#11
Rnd1 - WR M. Evans
Rnd2 - OG David Yankey
Rnd2 - QB Jimmy Garoppolo
Rnd3 - OC M. Martin or T. Swanson
Rnd4 - RB Leche Seastrunk
Rnd4- QB Aarron Murray or Brad Smith
Rnd5- TE Arthur Lynch
I seriously doubt we're taking a G that high. You can find Pro Bowlers in the fourth round. I could see us taking a C in the third if we don't land Mack. C is the more important position being the QB of the line, and you don't need to go overboard on a G so early especially in ZBS.
Quote:I seriously doubt we're taking a G that high... you don't need to go overboard on a G so early especially in ZBS.
I agree with this. OL that go that high are usually the big strong power guys. The ZBS lets us wait and get the smaller more agile guys later on, that fit well in the scheme.
As long as Jerry Sullivan is our WR coach, I believe any WR we take will develop if they have the potential. I would love to see Watkins if we can't nab Mack, Clowney, or whatever QB Caldwell likes
Quote:I seriously doubt we're taking a G that high. You can find Pro Bowlers in the fourth round. I could see us taking a C in the third if we don't land Mack. C is the more important position being the QB of the line, and you don't need to go overboard on a G so early especially in ZBS.
I've heard/read a few times that Caldwell was going to concentrate on interior O-line in the draft. Why not in the 2nd round, especially if we get an extra pick from trading down in the 1st round? OG Xavier Su'a-Filo will most likely go in the 1st, possibly as high as #23 to K.C. Yankey should be next in the early 2nd round. Heck, last year an OG went #7 overall to Arizona I believe.
What other position would we take over OG with the extra pick in round 2 if we had already taken a WR and QB? No Centers fit there in the rankings, and I have us taking one in the 3rd, more where they are slotted. I guess Caldwell could reach for one. OT? No. RB? No, none worth that high of a pick in this draft, especially since we picked up Gerhart. TE? Maybe, but I doubt it. It won't be DL after the FA run on that position. We are pretty set at LB, and none really fit there in the draft. CB might be the next best option outside of OG I guess.
Im warming up to Watkins at 3, but I dont know. Im glad its not my decision. I wouldnt know what to do.
Do I stand alone with the premonition that the Panthers may make a play to attain Watkins?
The cupboard is barren and the thirst is real.
Quote:Do I stand alone with the premonition that the Panthers may make a play to attain Watkins?
The cupboard is barren and the thirst is real.
Its not going to happen. Their O-line is shot, and that's way more important than moving up to grab Watkins. They also have no one in their secondary. This WR class is super deep, they aren't going to move up.
Quote:Its not going to happen. Their O-line is shot, and that's way more important than moving up to grab Watkins. They also have no one in their secondary. This WR class is super deep, they aren't going to move up.
I can't imagine a scenario where the Panthers mortgage their foreseeable future.
The entire draft class is deep and not just at the WR position. It isn't far fetched to me that Carolina would make a play for Watkins should the WR fall out of the top 5 and then look to patch a few spots later in the draft like the Jaguars plan to do with their OLine positions.
Quote:I can't imagine a scenario where the Panthers mortgage their foreseeable future.
The entire draft class is deep and not just at the WR position. It isn't far fetched to me that Carolina would make a play for Watkins should the WR fall out of the top 5 and then look to patch a few spots later in the draft like the Jaguars plan to do with their OLine positions.
They've lost almost their entire O-line, have no quality players in their secondary, plus need two WRs. That's over a half-dozen positions and there's no way they can address all of that in the draft. Giving up more draft picks to move up that high would give them even fewer starters. I just can't envision a team with that many holes gives up that much for one player. To move to 6, they'd have to probably give up a 2nd round pick, next years first, a third round this year, and a third round next year. It doesn't make much sense. They don't have the cap to address these issues in FA so they need every pick they can get.
Quote:I've heard/read a few times that Caldwell was going to concentrate on interior O-line in the draft. Why not in the 2nd round, especially if we get an extra pick from trading down in the 1st round? OG Xavier Su'a-Filo will most likely go in the 1st, possibly as high as #23 to K.C. Yankey should be next in the early 2nd round. Heck, last year an OG went #7 overall to Arizona I believe.
What other position would we take over OG with the extra pick in round 2 if we had already taken a WR and QB? No Centers fit there in the rankings, and I have us taking one in the 3rd, more where they are slotted. I guess Caldwell could reach for one. OT? No. RB? No, none worth that high of a pick in this draft, especially since we picked up Gerhart. TE? Maybe, but I doubt it. It won't be DL after the FA run on that position. We are pretty set at LB, and none really fit there in the draft. CB might be the next best option outside of OG I guess.
CB, S, QB, DE, OLB (if there's a highly rated one there), RB, even OT. With the roster we have, we could really choose any position. BAP in the second round will be surely a starter, or to be starting sooner than later QB.
Again, Gs and Cs signed in the first round are rare, and a little more common in the second. But, there's likely better value at several other positions. This is a very deep draft. I see no reason to sign a G higher than fourth. If the right C is there, I could see that in the second.
Quote:Watkins has firmly solidified himself as a top five pick now, however, I don't see any mockers that have him going to us. It's mostly QBs.
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Given our past, people expect us to reach.
Just watched his cutups yesterday. I really wouldnt be upset if he was the pick if Teddy + Clowney are off the board. I was leaning Mack but picking at #3 I want a player that can be the centerpiece of the team. Mack is going to be a great player but Watkins is dominant, where Mack is a Robben instead of a Batman per say.
Quote:They've lost almost their entire O-line, have no quality players in their secondary, plus need two WRs. That's over a half-dozen positions and there's no way they can address all of that in the draft. Giving up more draft picks to move up that high would give them even fewer starters. I just can't envision a team with that many holes gives up that much for one player. To move to 6, they'd have to probably give up a 2nd round pick, next years first, a third round this year, and a third round next year. It doesn't make much sense. They don't have the cap to address these issues in FA so they need every pick they can get.
And I can't either.
So It begs the question why would you come up with a scenario that isn't even likely to happen? You AND I are on record stating that we cannot envision a move where the Panthers mortgage their future yet you come up with a trade that is highly unlikely for Carolina.
Quote:And I can't either.
So It begs the question why would you come up with a scenario that isn't even likely to happen? You AND I are on record stating that we cannot envision a move where the Panthers mortgage their future yet you come up with a trade that is highly unlikely for Carolina.
I'm confused at what we are debating here (or IF we are).
Pete Prisco on 1010 XL right now jumping on the Watkins bandwagon.........says "he'd be a helluva pick for the Jags"
Quote:Pete Prisco on 1010 XL right now jumping on the Watkins bandwagon.........says "he'd be a helluva pick for the Jags"
But he's not 6'3"+ and he's smoked WEED!