(02-08-2022, 09:47 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2022, 04:00 AM)Black and Teal Wrote: [ -> ]I must be living in an alternate reality. Just last year Urban Meyer retain Warhop and this whole board was up in arms. “PFF says we have the 2 worst tackles in the league” and “we have one of the worst lines” and “why can’t we ever clean house” and now we all want to keep him? Just a year later it’s insane that he’s not coming back? Man.
One dip [BLEEP] on the web says it's disgusting that we're firing Warhop and that means "We all want to keep him"??!!?
C'mon Man!
Hyperbole, you know what I’m saying. Enough people, here or Twitter, saying it like it’s some big loss. Glad to hear you aren’t one of them
(02-03-2022, 11:40 PM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]This is good
But I would like to say one thing, he would not have been a Superbowl winning coach had it not been for one blown call
Full disclosure, I'm an Eagles fan, I'm VaBeach_Eagle from the Eagles Message Board (The EMB).
Happy for Doug to get another job and I wasn't happy that he was fired by the Eagles. As far as I'm concerned, he should still be with the Eagles. I was curious to see what the consensus among Jags fans was, to his being hired. Rewind to 2016 and many on the EMB lost their minds when he was hired. I wasn't one of them, though. I was really curious to see what he could do.
If he has a strong OC who will smack him out of his desire to throw the ball 95 times per quarter, and actually focus on the run game, the Jags will succeed with him. Super Bowl succeed? I can't say that, but I would expect him to do well, IF he can run a balanced offense. That was one of our (Eagles fans), biggest complaints about him, though. Frank Reich was that voice in his ear, reminding him to run the ball, back in 2017 and when he was hired by the Colts, things started falling apart.
Now, I'm also curious as to which call from Super Bowl LII you're singling out as being blown? I have an idea which one, but want to see for sure.
(02-10-2022, 05:50 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2022, 11:40 PM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]This is good
But I would like to say one thing, he would not have been a Superbowl winning coach had it not been for one blown call
Full disclosure, I'm an Eagles fan, I'm VaBeach_Eagle from the Eagles Message Board (The EMB).
Happy for Doug to get another job and I wasn't happy that he was fired by the Eagles. As far as I'm concerned, he should still be with the Eagles. I was curious to see what the consensus among Jags fans was, to his being hired. Rewind to 2016 and many on the EMB lost their minds when he was hired. I wasn't one of them, though. I was really curious to see what he could do.
If he has a strong OC who will smack him out of his desire to throw the ball 95 times per quarter, and actually focus on the run game, the Jags will succeed with him. Super Bowl succeed? I can't say that, but I would expect him to do well, IF he can run a balanced offense. That was one of our (Eagles fans), biggest complaints about him, though. Frank Reich was that voice in his ear, reminding him to run the ball, back in 2017 and when he was hired by the Colts, things started falling apart.
Now, I'm also curious as to which call from Super Bowl LII you're singling out as being blown? I have an idea which one, but want to see for sure.
I can't speak for all Jaguars fans, but I get the sense the Pederson hire was well received.
Among the fan base, he seemed to be one of the top two choices from my perspective.
I know he was my top choice when the Eagles fired him (foolishly?) last year. I'm glad we hired him.
From what I've heard of his assistants, I like what I've seen so far. The passing game and QB develop seems to be a priority for him, which is great.
You have more experience with him than we have, but I'd have to think that he'll be more have more run pass balance until he is certain he has upgraded the OL and the receiving corps.
(02-10-2022, 06:15 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I can't speak for all Jaguars fans, but I get the sense the Pederson hire was well received.
Among the fan base, he seemed to be one of the top two choices from my perspective.
I know he was my top choice when the Eagles fired him (foolishly?) last year. I'm glad we hired him.
From what I've heard of his assistants, I like what I've seen so far. The passing game and QB develop seems to be a priority for him, which is great.
You have more experience with him than we have, but I'd have to think that he'll be more have more run pass balance until he is certain he has upgraded the OL and the receiving corps.
I can't say it wasn't foolish to fire him, though I do suspect that there was more going on than was visible to the public. You don't just fire the coach that won the franchise's first league Championship in almost 60 years, and its first ever Super Bowl, a scant 3 years after winning it. If nothing else, it's embarrassing, of not foolish.
I don't know who Doug's hired for his new staff, so I can't speak to that, but I saw Press Taylor's name mentioned as OC? I'm not 100% sold on that being a successful move. This was one of the things that's rumored to have gotten him fired in Philadelphia... he wanted Taylor as his OC and Lurie/Roseman (Owner/GM), said 'No' and that eventually led to him being fired.
https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-d...10112.html Maybe he'll work out in Jacksonville.
As for Doug being more balanced, maybe, but I'd REALLY need to see it to believe it. Like I said, I really liked him as the Eagles coach and I wish he was still there. But he could also be
really frustrating. Imagine 4th and 1 at your own 40 in say, the 2nd or 3rd Qtr and the game isn't out of hand... punt, right? Nope. Go for it. QB Sneak. Right? Or maybe pound the RB up the middle? Nope. Throw it 15 yards down field... incomplete, turnover on downs. Opposing team gets the ball on your 40 and goes on to score a TD.
I heard an interesting stat on Pederson's experience compared to our previous coaching hires. Not counting interims, the Jaguars have had six previous head coaches in their history (Coughlin, Del Rio, Mularkey, Bradley, Marrone and Meyer). At the time of their hiring, those six coaches had combined for 29 regular season wins and 0 post season wins as an NFL head coach. Doug Pederson, by himself, has 42 regular season wins and 4 post season wins.
(02-10-2022, 09:27 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I heard an interesting stat on Pederson's experience compared to our previous coaching hires. Not counting interims, the Jaguars have had six previous head coaches in their history (Coughlin, Del Rio, Mularkey, Bradley, Marrone and Meyer). At the time of their hiring, those six coaches had combined for 29 regular season wins and 0 post season wins as an NFL head coach. Doug Pederson, by himself, has 42 regular season wins and 4 post season wins.
Coughlin, Del Rio, Bradley and obviously Meyer were 1st time NFL Head Coaches when we hired them, so that'd make sense.
Mularkey had two years as HC for the Bills in 04 and 05. He went 14-18 over that span.
Marrone also had two years as HC for the Bills 13 and 14. He went 15-17 over that span.
Pederson has a winning record with the Eagles, despite still going 4-11-1 in his final season. 42-37-1 and 4-2 in the playoffs, with of course the Superb Owl win. He went 7-9 his first year with them and I think we'd all kill to have a 7 win season this year.
(02-08-2022, 10:43 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody that I know, wants to keep Warhop. He sucks! I don't care what color a coach is, black, white, red, yellow, brown, green or plaid, a bad coach is a bad coach and he needs to go.
Exactly. Warhop sucks. He did a bad job in Tampa and hes done nothing with a high priced Oline here. Im all for giving minorities opportunities but someones color doesn't effect how good of a coach they are.
(02-10-2022, 05:50 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2022, 11:40 PM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]This is good
But I would like to say one thing, he would not have been a Superbowl winning coach had it not been for one blown call
Full disclosure, I'm an Eagles fan, I'm VaBeach_Eagle from the Eagles Message Board (The EMB).
Happy for Doug to get another job and I wasn't happy that he was fired by the Eagles. As far as I'm concerned, he should still be with the Eagles. I was curious to see what the consensus among Jags fans was, to his being hired. Rewind to 2016 and many on the EMB lost their minds when he was hired. I wasn't one of them, though. I was really curious to see what he could do.
If he has a strong OC who will smack him out of his desire to throw the ball 95 times per quarter, and actually focus on the run game, the Jags will succeed with him. Super Bowl succeed? I can't say that, but I would expect him to do well, IF he can run a balanced offense. That was one of our (Eagles fans), biggest complaints about him, though. Frank Reich was that voice in his ear, reminding him to run the ball, back in 2017 and when he was hired by the Colts, things started falling apart.
Now, I'm also curious as to which call from Super Bowl LII you're singling out as being blown? I have an idea which one, but want to see for sure.
(Myles Jack wasn't down)
(02-10-2022, 09:27 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I heard an interesting stat on Pederson's experience compared to our previous coaching hires. Not counting interims, the Jaguars have had six previous head coaches in their history (Coughlin, Del Rio, Mularkey, Bradley, Marrone and Meyer). At the time of their hiring, those six coaches had combined for 29 regular season wins and 0 post season wins as an NFL head coach. Doug Pederson, by himself, has 42 regular season wins and 4 post season wins.
boy howdy is that a cherry-picked stat.
(02-11-2022, 09:32 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2022, 05:50 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ]Full disclosure, I'm an Eagles fan, I'm VaBeach_Eagle from the Eagles Message Board (The EMB).
Happy for Doug to get another job and I wasn't happy that he was fired by the Eagles. As far as I'm concerned, he should still be with the Eagles. I was curious to see what the consensus among Jags fans was, to his being hired. Rewind to 2016 and many on the EMB lost their minds when he was hired. I wasn't one of them, though. I was really curious to see what he could do.
If he has a strong OC who will smack him out of his desire to throw the ball 95 times per quarter, and actually focus on the run game, the Jags will succeed with him. Super Bowl succeed? I can't say that, but I would expect him to do well, IF he can run a balanced offense. That was one of our (Eagles fans), biggest complaints about him, though. Frank Reich was that voice in his ear, reminding him to run the ball, back in 2017 and when he was hired by the Colts, things started falling apart.
Now, I'm also curious as to which call from Super Bowl LII you're singling out as being blown? I have an idea which one, but want to see for sure.
(Myles Jack wasn't down)
(02-10-2022, 09:27 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I heard an interesting stat on Pederson's experience compared to our previous coaching hires. Not counting interims, the Jaguars have had six previous head coaches in their history (Coughlin, Del Rio, Mularkey, Bradley, Marrone and Meyer). At the time of their hiring, those six coaches had combined for 29 regular season wins and 0 post season wins as an NFL head coach. Doug Pederson, by himself, has 42 regular season wins and 4 post season wins.
boy howdy is that a cherry-picked stat.
Yes and no. It's true that four out of the prior six were never NFL head coaches. However, it's also true that four out of the prior six were never NFL head coaches. Our previous hires included two college coaches, two NFL coordinators and two short time NFL head coaches with losing records. The Jaguars are getting proven NFL head coaching experience that they've never gotten in the past.
(02-11-2022, 10:14 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2022, 09:32 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ](Myles Jack wasn't down)
boy howdy is that a cherry-picked stat.
Yes and no. It's true that four out of the prior six were never NFL head coaches. However, it's also true that four out of the prior six were never NFL head coaches. Our previous hires included two college coaches, two NFL coordinators and two short time NFL head coaches with losing records. The Jaguars are getting proven NFL head coaching experience that they've never gotten in the past.
The point was more that saying 29 wins across six hires is misleading. Coughlin and Urban had long tenures in College ranks and shouldn't be considered "inexperienced" when discussing their history. It's not like we hired someone like Sirianni who had 0 experience above OC at any level.
I'll grant that there are differences from college to pro, but both had experience on the sideline in that role, assembling a staff, depth charts, and the like. They both were able to get wins out of their teams, otherwise they'd have never been considered for a coaching job at the next level.
Here's another fun cherry-picked stat - Doug Pederson is 22-25-1 in his last three seasons as a coach. Doesn't quite tell the whole story, though, and leaves out some very relevant details that shape a lot of people's opinion on his hire.
Here's a stat, not cherry picked:
Doug Pederson in 4 years has as many wins as the Jaguars in the last decade.
(02-10-2022, 06:56 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2022, 06:15 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I can't speak for all Jaguars fans, but I get the sense the Pederson hire was well received.
Among the fan base, he seemed to be one of the top two choices from my perspective.
I know he was my top choice when the Eagles fired him (foolishly?) last year. I'm glad we hired him.
From what I've heard of his assistants, I like what I've seen so far. The passing game and QB develop seems to be a priority for him, which is great.
You have more experience with him than we have, but I'd have to think that he'll be more have more run pass balance until he is certain he has upgraded the OL and the receiving corps.
I can't say it wasn't foolish to fire him, though I do suspect that there was more going on than was visible to the public. You don't just fire the coach that won the franchise's first league Championship in almost 60 years, and its first ever Super Bowl, a scant 3 years after winning it. If nothing else, it's embarrassing, of not foolish.
I don't know who Doug's hired for his new staff, so I can't speak to that, but I saw Press Taylor's name mentioned as OC? I'm not 100% sold on that being a successful move. This was one of the things that's rumored to have gotten him fired in Philadelphia... he wanted Taylor as his OC and Lurie/Roseman (Owner/GM), said 'No' and that eventually led to him being fired. https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-d...10112.html Maybe he'll work out in Jacksonville.
As for Doug being more balanced, maybe, but I'd REALLY need to see it to believe it. Like I said, I really liked him as the Eagles coach and I wish he was still there. But he could also be really frustrating. Imagine 4th and 1 at your own 40 in say, the 2nd or 3rd Qtr and the game isn't out of hand... punt, right? Nope. Go for it. QB Sneak. Right? Or maybe pound the RB up the middle? Nope. Throw it 15 yards down field... incomplete, turnover on downs. Opposing team gets the ball on your 40 and goes on to score a TD.
This link describing his firing in Philly cured my curiosity and explains why he must have his own hand picked staff. Good for you Doug Pederson.
NH3...
(02-11-2022, 09:32 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2022, 05:50 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ]Now, I'm also curious as to which call from Super Bowl LII you're singling out as being blown? I have an idea which one, but want to see for sure.
(Myles Jack wasn't down)
I'm not familiar with whatever play you're referring to, I'm assuming it was a play from the AFCCG? Either way though, I don't think the Eagles would have lost LII regardless of who the opponent from the AFCCG was. I'm obviously biased, but I was supremely confident that 2017 was 'my year' (yes, mine) from the point where the Eagles kicked the 61 yard FG to beat the Giants, onward. Even after Wentz went down, I had 100% faith and confidence in Nick Foles taking the Eagles on a run that would lead all the way to the "Rocky Steps", and I'm not just saying that 'after the fact'. Members on the EMB can fully attest to that lol.
But I'd hope that Jags fans don't hold on to a play of that sort, the way sad Cowboys fans hold on to the Dez Bryant incompletion. Every team, every year has plays that get called in such a way that you can say it was a bad call or a play that you say 'what if'. What if Randall Cunningham doesn't get hit directly on his knee by Bryce Paup, in the 1991 opener vs. the Packers?
1991 was arguably that eras Eagles best shot at getting to and potentially winning a Lombardi. They had one of the greatest D's of all time, a QB who could pass and run (when properly coached) and a good run game. But first play of the 2nd quarter of the first game of the season, Cunningham gets his knee blown out by a helmet hitting directly on it and the season is lost. But despite having to use 5 different starting QB's throughout that season, they still finished 10-6. A lot of Eagles fans have held on to that 'what if' for a lot of years. It's meaningless, though.
"What if's", never were.
(02-11-2022, 03:30 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2022, 09:32 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ](Myles Jack wasn't down)
I'm not familiar with whatever play you're referring to, I'm assuming it was a play from the AFCCG? Either way though, I don't think the Eagles would have lost LII regardless of who the opponent from the AFCCG was. I'm obviously biased, but I was supremely confident that 2017 was 'my year' (yes, mine) from the point where the Eagles kicked the 61 yard FG to beat the Giants, onward. Even after Wentz went down, I had 100% faith and confidence in Nick Foles taking the Eagles on a run that would lead all the way to the "Rocky Steps", and I'm not just saying that 'after the fact'. Members on the EMB can fully attest to that lol.
But I'd hope that Jags fans don't hold on to a play of that sort, the way sad Cowboys fans hold on to the Dez Bryant incompletion. Every team, every year has plays that get called in such a way that you can say it was a bad call or a play that you say 'what if'. What if Randall Cunningham doesn't get hit directly on his knee by Bryce Paup, in the 1991 opener vs. the Packers?
1991 was arguably that eras Eagles best shot at getting to and potentially winning a Lombardi. They had one of the greatest D's of all time, a QB who could pass and run (when properly coached) and a good run game. But first play of the 2nd quarter of the first game of the season, Cunningham gets his knee blown out by a helmet hitting directly on it and the season is lost. But despite having to use 5 different starting QB's throughout that season, they still finished 10-6. A lot of Eagles fans have held on to that 'what if' for a lot of years. It's meaningless, though.
"What if's", never were.
I think Nick Foles would have been broken in half by the '17 Jags pass rush. Just destroyed. He's kind of a wuss.
(02-11-2022, 03:13 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2022, 06:56 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ] https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-d...10112.html
This link describing his firing in Philly cured my curiosity and explains why he must have his own hand picked staff. Good for you Doug Pederson.
NH3...
I agree, a coach SHOULD pick his own coaching staff. I just don't know if Taylor will turn out to be his best choice. I don't think any Eagles fans were excited at the thought of Taylor being OC at the time.
I don't specifically remember now, or if I ever knew, if Doug hired Reich and Schwartz in 2016 but I think they were his picks (for OC and DC). There were a few coaches from Chip Kelly's staff that Lurie and Howie wanted to keep and Doug agreed (OL Coach, RB Coach and Special Teams are three that come to mind).
Like I said, unless he's matured and changed, Doug needs a voice in his ear reminding him that there's a run game and the run game will open up the pass game and vice-versa.
Give Doug a decent QB, a good OL and a good RB (that he uses properly), and he'll win you games. I have no doubt about that. Leave him to his own passing game desires, though and 4-11-1 is always a possibility ... well, add another win, loss or tie in there since there's 17 games now.
(02-11-2022, 03:36 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2022, 03:30 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ]"What if's", never were.
I think Nick Foles would have been broken in half by the '17 Jags pass rush. Just destroyed. He's kind of a wuss.
He may have been one after getting to Jacksonville, but if you saw the 2017 playoffs/Super Bowl, you saw him take quite a few big hits and bounce back up.
But like I said, 'what if's, never were'. So while you can
'think' that would have happened, I
know that he went on to be Super Bowl MVP. "What If's" will drive you insane, they have to be left in the past.
Now that the Eagles own a Lombardi, (I never wanted teams to win their first one before the Eagles), I hope you all get to experience that kind of season... as long as it isn't at the expense of the Eagles, of course. But it's an awesome experience. One that I waited over 40 years to live out. It's worth waiting for.
(02-11-2022, 03:36 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2022, 03:30 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not familiar with whatever play you're referring to, I'm assuming it was a play from the AFCCG? Either way though, I don't think the Eagles would have lost LII regardless of who the opponent from the AFCCG was. I'm obviously biased, but I was supremely confident that 2017 was 'my year' (yes, mine) from the point where the Eagles kicked the 61 yard FG to beat the Giants, onward. Even after Wentz went down, I had 100% faith and confidence in Nick Foles taking the Eagles on a run that would lead all the way to the "Rocky Steps", and I'm not just saying that 'after the fact'. Members on the EMB can fully attest to that lol.
But I'd hope that Jags fans don't hold on to a play of that sort, the way sad Cowboys fans hold on to the Dez Bryant incompletion. Every team, every year has plays that get called in such a way that you can say it was a bad call or a play that you say 'what if'. What if Randall Cunningham doesn't get hit directly on his knee by Bryce Paup, in the 1991 opener vs. the Packers?
1991 was arguably that eras Eagles best shot at getting to and potentially winning a Lombardi. They had one of the greatest D's of all time, a QB who could pass and run (when properly coached) and a good run game. But first play of the 2nd quarter of the first game of the season, Cunningham gets his knee blown out by a helmet hitting directly on it and the season is lost. But despite having to use 5 different starting QB's throughout that season, they still finished 10-6. A lot of Eagles fans have held on to that 'what if' for a lot of years. It's meaningless, though.
"What if's", never were.
I think Nick Foles would have been broken in half by the '17 Jags pass rush. Just destroyed. He's kind of a wuss.
I still have no doubts that if we don't get screwed by the Refs in that Championship game, that we would have beat the Eagles in the Bowl 100%.
(02-11-2022, 03:13 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2022, 06:56 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ]I can't say it wasn't foolish to fire him, though I do suspect that there was more going on than was visible to the public. You don't just fire the coach that won the franchise's first league Championship in almost 60 years, and its first ever Super Bowl, a scant 3 years after winning it. If nothing else, it's embarrassing, of not foolish.
I don't know who Doug's hired for his new staff, so I can't speak to that, but I saw Press Taylor's name mentioned as OC? I'm not 100% sold on that being a successful move. This was one of the things that's rumored to have gotten him fired in Philadelphia... he wanted Taylor as his OC and Lurie/Roseman (Owner/GM), said 'No' and that eventually led to him being fired. https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-d...10112.html Maybe he'll work out in Jacksonville.
As for Doug being more balanced, maybe, but I'd REALLY need to see it to believe it. Like I said, I really liked him as the Eagles coach and I wish he was still there. But he could also be really frustrating. Imagine 4th and 1 at your own 40 in say, the 2nd or 3rd Qtr and the game isn't out of hand... punt, right? Nope. Go for it. QB Sneak. Right? Or maybe pound the RB up the middle? Nope. Throw it 15 yards down field... incomplete, turnover on downs. Opposing team gets the ball on your 40 and goes on to score a TD.
This link describing his firing in Philly cured my curiosity and explains why he must have his own hand picked staff. Good for you Doug Pederson.
NH3...
Based on this article, its probably good that Press Taylor isnt QB coach.
(02-11-2022, 02:24 PM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a stat, not cherry picked:
Doug Pederson in 4 years has as many wins as the Jaguars in the last decade.
Lol ... and he was fired from the Eagles. Heck, he would have been in our Jaguar Pride of Honor and would have received part ownership in Shad's yacht.
(02-11-2022, 03:44 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2022, 03:13 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]This link describing his firing in Philly cured my curiosity and explains why he must have his own hand picked staff. Good for you Doug Pederson.
NH3...
I agree, a coach SHOULD pick his own coaching staff. I just don't know if Taylor will turn out to be his best choice. I don't think any Eagles fans were excited at the thought of Taylor being OC at the time.
I don't specifically remember now, or if I ever knew, if Doug hired Reich and Schwartz in 2016 but I think they were his picks (for OC and DC). There were a few coaches from Chip Kelly's staff that Lurie and Howie wanted to keep and Doug agreed (OL Coach, RB Coach and Special Teams are three that come to mind).
Like I said, unless he's matured and changed, Doug needs a voice in his ear reminding him that there's a run game and the run game will open up the pass game and vice-versa.
Give Doug a decent QB, a good OL and a good RB (that he uses properly), and he'll win you games. I have no doubt about that. Leave him to his own passing game desires, though and 4-11-1 is always a possibility ... well, add another win, loss or tie in there since there's 17 games now.
WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!
I have been assured by the moderators here that only a complete fool who knows nothing about how the NFL works would think that a coach does not have a free hand to pick every single one of this staff members. That article and anyone who reads it is obviously, by definition, stupid. The moderators have spoken.