(02-04-2022, 04:44 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (02-04-2022, 03:53 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I was just speaking history facts. I wasn't claiming playoffs or superbowl at all, merely just saying the reality.
With that said, people are preaching about him being a SB winner etc etc, so we better get results and it better happen fairly soon. Somebody as accomplished as Pederson seems to be (in many peoples words) shouldn't take 2-3 years for results. We need to see real progress in year 1 and real serious progress in year 2.
6 or 7 wins in year 1 isn't asking much from a SB winning coach who's suppose to be so good and experienced.
This clarifies your stance a great deal for me. Thanks,
With the above in mind, I agree it is important to put his hiring in context before setting expectations.
He is coming to a team that has finished in last place in the division the last four years, and finished with the worst record in football in each of the last two years.
This team still lacks talent in a lot of areas.
The team needs to learn how to win.
It'll take time to institute the culture change, bring in talented players who will not only fit his schemes, but be able to win individual match ups during games.
I am confident in his ability to assemble a good staff here. I am also confident in his ability to change the culture and develop Trevor Lawrence into the QB we all think he can be.
I am confident he will take the TE position seriously...perhaps the first Jaguars coach since JDR to do so.
But it's not going to happen overnight. Because we have botched the drafts before this year and because we are changing schemes (possibly returning to a 4-3)
Bullseye you know I respect your opinion more than just about anybody on this forum. You're always straight forward and have incredible knowledge and insight.
A lot of it for me just has to do with Baalke still being in the building. I really don't think it'll matter who the HC is, or what happens, if Baalke is still here it's not going to end good. History has told us over and over again that Baalke is a loser, a cancer and that's been a theme everywhere hes been.
As long as Baalke is around in any form, this team wont have time to get talent. It wont have time to learn to win and it certainly wont have time to change the culture. He will continue to run it into the ground just like he has everywhere hes ever been.
(02-04-2022, 05:15 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-04-2022, 04:44 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]This clarifies your stance a great deal for me. Thanks,
With the above in mind, I agree it is important to put his hiring in context before setting expectations.
He is coming to a team that has finished in last place in the division the last four years, and finished with the worst record in football in each of the last two years.
This team still lacks talent in a lot of areas.
The team needs to learn how to win.
It'll take time to institute the culture change, bring in talented players who will not only fit his schemes, but be able to win individual match ups during games.
I am confident in his ability to assemble a good staff here. I am also confident in his ability to change the culture and develop Trevor Lawrence into the QB we all think he can be.
I am confident he will take the TE position seriously...perhaps the first Jaguars coach since JDR to do so.
But it's not going to happen overnight. Because we have botched the drafts before this year and because we are changing schemes (possibly returning to a 4-3)
Bullseye you know I respect your opinion more than just about anybody on this forum. You're always straight forward and have incredible knowledge and insight.
A lot of it for me just has to do with Baalke still being in the building. I really don't think it'll matter who the HC is, or what happens, if Baalke is still here it's not going to end good. History has told us over and over again that Baalke is a loser, a cancer and that's been a theme everywhere hes been.
As long as Baalke is around in any form, this team wont have time to get talent. It wont have time to learn to win and it certainly wont have time to change the culture. He will continue to run it into the ground just like he has everywhere hes ever been.
Baalke's presence hurt this team in the coaching search, no question, and quite possibly in last year's draft.
Right now, I'm thinking Baalke stays on for another year, at least, unless they bring in Spielman over him and Baalke leaves, either of his own accord or Spielman forces him ouy. If Baalke stays, the best case scenario is he is demoted with Spielman brought in. That's what I see happening at this point.
Since Pederson was brought here and Baalke's influence would presumably be reduced considerably, I can live with that for now-only assuming Spielman is brought in and placed in a superior position to Baalke.
Another year of an unfettered Baalke running things will stunt this team's progress.
(02-04-2022, 05:14 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]While I think the search went horribly and I feel bad for Byron and Wilson, this is who I wanted as my #1 choice for this team at this time. If we had a little more talent and didn't have a toxic snake of a GM(who seemingly can't be fired) I would love to have seen Byron hired. He can now go back to OC the Bucs and likely goes into a better situation next year as a HC candidate.
Let's all hope this time, it works for us!
What situation could he possibly go to that would be a better choice than the jags this year?
A possible franchise QB
#1 pick
Insane cap space
What team that fires their HC will have all of those things? or even 2.
After having time to digest I feel a lot better regarding the hire still feel the process was a shocker and they’ve ended up falling on the the right choice by accident and not through competence.
I still feel nervous to see what the structure is going to look like and what baalke role is, even if Spielmen is hired as evp and baalke as gm I still think it’s a bad recipe.
In a dream scenario and structure in my opinion your evp should be judged on the success of your gm and head coach and should be in charge of holding those positions accountable. I obviously don’t want baalke as gm making draft choices and decisions but I don’t think that an evp should be making those decisions it should fall to a competent gm
Evp should be there to oversee the football operations that khan knows nothing about, and should be in charge of hiring and firing gms and head coaches not doing there jobs for them. Think this is where the structure failed with tc last time
Baalke doesn't leave on his own. He is fighting for his career. He will do everything he can to still have a job. He doesn't get a job anywhere else, even in a lower position.
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(02-04-2022, 12:48 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (02-04-2022, 12:37 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]He didn’t really fail though. He was pushed out by the Eagles GM.
Right and for daring to want to pick his own assistants. I know some people also brought up not talking with Wentz for a chunk of the season but he seemed pretty upset that he couldn't continue with Wentz and help him with the mental side.
Wait, wait, wait! I have been assured by moderators that only naive fools who know nothing about the NFL would think that an HC doesn't have free reign to pick whomever he wants for the coaching staff. Your post is obviously invalid.
(02-04-2022, 06:57 AM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2022, 11:32 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/MiaOBrienTV/status/1...4588349445
This is a stupid tweet. Great result but bad process? The bad process got the great result. The arrogance of the Internet never ceases to impress me.
And if anyone here would know arrogance, right?
I've heard Baalke's strength is as a talent evaluator; Here's hoping Shad lets him do his thing and if Spielman is brought aboard, he'll work with contracts and the like.
(02-04-2022, 07:41 AM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]I've heard Baalke's strength is as a talent evaluator; Here's hoping Shad lets him do his thing and if Spielman is brought aboard, he'll work with contracts and the like.
You're so obviously posting as a plant that I think you must be. Few trolls can maintain such elegant consistency. If you are a troll then my hat is off to you. Well done.
(02-04-2022, 07:45 AM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (02-04-2022, 07:41 AM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]I've heard Baalke's strength is as a talent evaluator; Here's hoping Shad lets him do his thing and if Spielman is brought aboard, he'll work with contracts and the like.
You're so obviously posting as a plant that I think you must be. Few trolls can maintain such elegant consistency. If you are a troll then my hat is off to you. Well done.
I heard the same thing, though, that the complaint about Baalke isn't his ability to judge talent, it's that he's too much of a political animal.
(02-04-2022, 08:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-04-2022, 07:45 AM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]You're so obviously posting as a plant that I think you must be. Few trolls can maintain such elegant consistency. If you are a troll then my hat is off to you. Well done.
I heard the same thing, though, that the complaint about Baalke isn't his ability to judge talent, it's that he's too much of a political animal.
My uncle who knows the sister of someone in the building said The same thing!
Even though I preferred to have an young, up and coming HC I feel that the right choice was made. Experience is definately what our team needs at this point and time. Let Pederson do his job and get us back on track.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
(02-04-2022, 08:19 AM)tkappa511 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-04-2022, 08:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I heard the same thing, though, that the complaint about Baalke isn't his ability to judge talent, it's that he's too much of a political animal.
My uncle who knows the sister of someone in the building said The same thing!
Seriously, it was one of the regular contributors on 1010xl, maybe John Shipley. Not sure who it was, but it was a well known local guy.
I think we get Zach Ertz in FA
About time they announced something. This is a good choice. Now, I have to see who they pick up on OC and DC. Caldwell is still out there if he wants to be added on with Doug.
(02-03-2022, 11:21 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Would have been more excited if this was announced 2-3 weeks ago, but now it's just meh.
We'll see who he gets on staff as OC etc etc, but I still don't think it's going to matter much if Baalke is still in the building.
Same here. He's a good hire, as would have been Byron. Dragging the process out this far took all the wind out of the sails, though. We're still going to have the spectre of Baalke looming, and unless he hits a home run with this darft, I don't see fans coming around to him any time soon.
As an aside, I'd like to borrow from a Mr. Bugs Bunny, if I may...
Quote:So long, Sioux-ie, see ya in St. Louie!
Great news heard it this morning in the radio, hopefully this means we’re making a move at GM as well