(02-11-2022, 03:30 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2022, 09:32 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ](Myles Jack wasn't down)
I'm not familiar with whatever play you're referring to, I'm assuming it was a play from the AFCCG? Either way though, I don't think the Eagles would have lost LII regardless of who the opponent from the AFCCG was. I'm obviously biased, but I was supremely confident that 2017 was 'my year' (yes, mine) from the point where the Eagles kicked the 61 yard FG to beat the Giants, onward. Even after Wentz went down, I had 100% faith and confidence in Nick Foles taking the Eagles on a run that would lead all the way to the "Rocky Steps", and I'm not just saying that 'after the fact'. Members on the EMB can fully attest to that lol.
But I'd hope that Jags fans don't hold on to a play of that sort, the way sad Cowboys fans hold on to the Dez Bryant incompletion. Every team, every year has plays that get called in such a way that you can say it was a bad call or a play that you say 'what if'. What if Randall Cunningham doesn't get hit directly on his knee by Bryce Paup, in the 1991 opener vs. the Packers?
1991 was arguably that eras Eagles best shot at getting to and potentially winning a Lombardi. They had one of the greatest D's of all time, a QB who could pass and run (when properly coached) and a good run game. But first play of the 2nd quarter of the first game of the season, Cunningham gets his knee blown out by a helmet hitting directly on it and the season is lost. But despite having to use 5 different starting QB's throughout that season, they still finished 10-6. A lot of Eagles fans have held on to that 'what if' for a lot of years. It's meaningless, though.
"What if's", never were.
If the play was called correctly, more than likely the Jags would have played your Eagles. I’m in the minority in thinking that Philly would have still won. We had a good D. But the Goats have a nice record in the SB. Anyone that can knock them out clearly deserves it. I do not believe Marrone/Bortles Could or would have beaten you guys. Perhaps, the Jaguars just conditioned me into being let down. Congrats on the SB from a Philly native.
I’ve got optimism that Pederson will help turn the ship around. Hopefully we can turn into a respectable team.
Welcome to the board, it’s always nice to hear @the other side”. Sounds like we’re in good hands finally.
I think Philly would have beaten us but I sure would have love to have a shot and at minimum have a SB appearance. Damn what [BLEEP] call..
(02-11-2022, 08:51 PM)TownCenterJag Wrote: [ -> ]I think Philly would have beaten us but I sure would have love to have a shot and at minimum have a SB appearance. Damn what [BLEEP] call..
Agreed.
I was in attendance in the ‘99 AFCCG. 2017 seemed different. More magical for lack of words. I almost “expected it in 99. 2017 was more so, “holy crap, are we really gonna do this?” Edge of the seat thrills.
(02-11-2022, 10:55 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2022, 09:40 AM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]Having Spielman join the team would be a disaster. He shouldn't have lasted as long as he did with the Vikings. Maybe now they can make the Super Bowl.i
Mrs. Baalke alert!!!!
Miss Mouthbreather alert!!!
(02-11-2022, 03:30 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2022, 09:32 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ](Myles Jack wasn't down)
I'm not familiar with whatever play you're referring to, I'm assuming it was a play from the AFCCG? Either way though, I don't think the Eagles would have lost LII regardless of who the opponent from the AFCCG was. I'm obviously biased, but I was supremely confident that 2017 was 'my year' (yes, mine) from the point where the Eagles kicked the 61 yard FG to beat the Giants, onward. Even after Wentz went down, I had 100% faith and confidence in Nick Foles taking the Eagles on a run that would lead all the way to the "Rocky Steps", and I'm not just saying that 'after the fact'. Members on the EMB can fully attest to that lol.
But I'd hope that Jags fans don't hold on to a play of that sort, the way sad Cowboys fans hold on to the Dez Bryant incompletion. Every team, every year has plays that get called in such a way that you can say it was a bad call or a play that you say 'what if'. What if Randall Cunningham doesn't get hit directly on his knee by Bryce Paup, in the 1991 opener vs. the Packers?
1991 was arguably that eras Eagles best shot at getting to and potentially winning a Lombardi. They had one of the greatest D's of all time, a QB who could pass and run (when properly coached) and a good run game. But first play of the 2nd quarter of the first game of the season, Cunningham gets his knee blown out by a helmet hitting directly on it and the season is lost. But despite having to use 5 different starting QB's throughout that season, they still finished 10-6. A lot of Eagles fans have held on to that 'what if' for a lot of years. It's meaningless, though.
"What if's", never were.
On the "Myles Jack wasn't down" play, Myles Jack appeared to have recovered a fumble and gotten touched by a member of the Patriots when he was down, but replay showed he was still bobbling the ball when he was touched. So technically, he wasn't down. Then he got up and ran for a TD, but the play had been blown dead. And you can't overturn a whistle.
We had plenty of other chances to win that game. We let Tom Brady complete a 19 yard pass on 3rd and 18, for example. Just stopping that one play would have won us the game. My memory of that game was not of the officials making a bad call. What I remember is us allowing the Pats to come back, when we had plenty of opportunities on defense to make the one play that would have sealed the game for us.
Would we have beaten the Eagles in the Super Bowl? That would have meant Blake Bortles winning a Super Bowl. Looking back on it, that seems pretty far-fetched.
For long time Jags fans, a far more painful loss was the 1999 AFC Championship Game in our own stadium. We went 15-3 including the playoffs that year. We beat the Dolphins and Dan Marino/Jimmy Johnson the week prior 62-7. Then we lost to our biggest, most hated rival, the Titans, in the AFCCG the very next week. We lost 3 total games that season, all to the same team- the Titans. That 1999 team was far better than the 2017 team. That loss in the 1999 AFCCG was by far the most painful loss for me in my life.
(02-12-2022, 06:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2022, 03:30 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not familiar with whatever play you're referring to, I'm assuming it was a play from the AFCCG? Either way though, I don't think the Eagles would have lost LII regardless of who the opponent from the AFCCG was. I'm obviously biased, but I was supremely confident that 2017 was 'my year' (yes, mine) from the point where the Eagles kicked the 61 yard FG to beat the Giants, onward. Even after Wentz went down, I had 100% faith and confidence in Nick Foles taking the Eagles on a run that would lead all the way to the "Rocky Steps", and I'm not just saying that 'after the fact'. Members on the EMB can fully attest to that lol.
But I'd hope that Jags fans don't hold on to a play of that sort, the way sad Cowboys fans hold on to the Dez Bryant incompletion. Every team, every year has plays that get called in such a way that you can say it was a bad call or a play that you say 'what if'. What if Randall Cunningham doesn't get hit directly on his knee by Bryce Paup, in the 1991 opener vs. the Packers?
1991 was arguably that eras Eagles best shot at getting to and potentially winning a Lombardi. They had one of the greatest D's of all time, a QB who could pass and run (when properly coached) and a good run game. But first play of the 2nd quarter of the first game of the season, Cunningham gets his knee blown out by a helmet hitting directly on it and the season is lost. But despite having to use 5 different starting QB's throughout that season, they still finished 10-6. A lot of Eagles fans have held on to that 'what if' for a lot of years. It's meaningless, though.
"What if's", never were.
On the "Myles Jack wasn't down" play, Myles Jack appeared to have recovered a fumble and gotten touched by a member of the Patriots when he was down, but replay showed he was still bobbling the ball when he was touched. So technically, he wasn't down. Then he got up and ran for a TD, but the play had been blown dead. And you can't overturn a whistle.
We had plenty of other chances to win that game. We let Tom Brady complete a 19 yard pass on 3rd and 18, for example. Just stopping that one play would have won us the game. My memory of that game was not of the officials making a bad call. What I remember is us allowing the Pats to come back, when we had plenty of opportunities on defense to make the one play that would have sealed the game for us.
Would we have beaten the Eagles in the Super Bowl? That would have meant Blake Bortles winning a Super Bowl. Looking back on it, that seems pretty far-fetched.
For long time Jags fans, a far more painful loss was the 1999 AFC Championship Game in our own stadium. We went 15-3 including the playoffs that year. We beat the Dolphins and Dan Marino/Jimmy Johnson the week prior 62-7. Then we lost to our biggest, most hated rival, the Titans, in the AFCCG the very next week. We lost 3 total games that season, all to the same team- the Titans. That 1999 team was far better than the 2017 team. That loss in the 1999 AFCCG was by far the most painful loss for me in my life.
110% agreed on the 1999 season. That was the beginning of the end for this team IMHO. You could argue that's when the "curse" or rain cloud of misery started hovering over the franchise. Went from four straight years of play-off appearances with two Championship appearances to just three play-off runs over the last 21 years.
Pretty crazy how much this team has struggled to find that winning strategy again that instilled consistency. This is why I often praise the Pittsburgh Steelers. They stuck it out with Noll all the way from 1969 to 1991. They were the best team of the 1970's by far and wide. However, From 1980 to 1991 they only made four play off appearances. Noll had some up's and down's in the 80's. The Rooney's could have parted ways with him arguably after 1986 but they stuck it out.
Same with Cowher. Cowher took over in 1992 and the Steelers were a pretty damn good football team six years in a row. Then they hit a wall and struggled from 1998 - 2000. Again, Rooney's could have justifiably said the last three years were pretty unexpected, time to move on, they didn't. They stuck it out and he turned it around. Tomlin also hasn't been too shabby.
(02-12-2022, 06:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2022, 03:30 PM)VBE Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not familiar with whatever play you're referring to, I'm assuming it was a play from the AFCCG? Either way though, I don't think the Eagles would have lost LII regardless of who the opponent from the AFCCG was. I'm obviously biased, but I was supremely confident that 2017 was 'my year' (yes, mine) from the point where the Eagles kicked the 61 yard FG to beat the Giants, onward. Even after Wentz went down, I had 100% faith and confidence in Nick Foles taking the Eagles on a run that would lead all the way to the "Rocky Steps", and I'm not just saying that 'after the fact'. Members on the EMB can fully attest to that lol.
But I'd hope that Jags fans don't hold on to a play of that sort, the way sad Cowboys fans hold on to the Dez Bryant incompletion. Every team, every year has plays that get called in such a way that you can say it was a bad call or a play that you say 'what if'. What if Randall Cunningham doesn't get hit directly on his knee by Bryce Paup, in the 1991 opener vs. the Packers?
1991 was arguably that eras Eagles best shot at getting to and potentially winning a Lombardi. They had one of the greatest D's of all time, a QB who could pass and run (when properly coached) and a good run game. But first play of the 2nd quarter of the first game of the season, Cunningham gets his knee blown out by a helmet hitting directly on it and the season is lost. But despite having to use 5 different starting QB's throughout that season, they still finished 10-6. A lot of Eagles fans have held on to that 'what if' for a lot of years. It's meaningless, though.
"What if's", never were.
On the "Myles Jack wasn't down" play, Myles Jack appeared to have recovered a fumble and gotten touched by a member of the Patriots when he was down, but replay showed he was still bobbling the ball when he was touched. So technically, he wasn't down. Then he got up and ran for a TD, but the play had been blown dead. And you can't overturn a whistle.
We had plenty of other chances to win that game. We let Tom Brady complete a 19 yard pass on 3rd and 18, for example. Just stopping that one play would have won us the game. My memory of that game was not of the officials making a bad call. What I remember is us allowing the Pats to come back, when we had plenty of opportunities on defense to make the one play that would have sealed the game for us.
Would we have beaten the Eagles in the Super Bowl? That would have meant Blake Bortles winning a Super Bowl. Looking back on it, that seems pretty far-fetched.
For long time Jags fans, a far more painful loss was the 1999 AFC Championship Game in our own stadium. We went 15-3 including the playoffs that year. We beat the Dolphins and Dan Marino/Jimmy Johnson the week prior 62-7. Then we lost to our biggest, most hated rival, the Titans, in the AFCCG the very next week. We lost 3 total games that season, all to the same team- the Titans. That 1999 team was far better than the 2017 team. That loss in the 1999 AFCCG was by far the most painful loss for me in my life.
I was there and it was brutal. Blanked 23-0 in the second half, McNair running wild for yardage on plays where we had him contained, George pounding it down our throats. 3 fumbles and an INT pretty much did us in in the 2nd half. The DelGreco FG right before the half was a momentum builder for them.
(02-12-2022, 11:00 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 06:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]On the "Myles Jack wasn't down" play, Myles Jack appeared to have recovered a fumble and gotten touched by a member of the Patriots when he was down, but replay showed he was still bobbling the ball when he was touched. So technically, he wasn't down. Then he got up and ran for a TD, but the play had been blown dead. And you can't overturn a whistle.
We had plenty of other chances to win that game. We let Tom Brady complete a 19 yard pass on 3rd and 18, for example. Just stopping that one play would have won us the game. My memory of that game was not of the officials making a bad call. What I remember is us allowing the Pats to come back, when we had plenty of opportunities on defense to make the one play that would have sealed the game for us.
Would we have beaten the Eagles in the Super Bowl? That would have meant Blake Bortles winning a Super Bowl. Looking back on it, that seems pretty far-fetched.
For long time Jags fans, a far more painful loss was the 1999 AFC Championship Game in our own stadium. We went 15-3 including the playoffs that year. We beat the Dolphins and Dan Marino/Jimmy Johnson the week prior 62-7. Then we lost to our biggest, most hated rival, the Titans, in the AFCCG the very next week. We lost 3 total games that season, all to the same team- the Titans. That 1999 team was far better than the 2017 team. That loss in the 1999 AFCCG was by far the most painful loss for me in my life.
I was there and it was brutal. Blanked 23-0 in the second half, McNair running wild for yardage on plays where we had him contained, George pounding it down our throats. 3 fumbles and an INT pretty much did us in in the 2nd half. The DelGreco FG right before the half was a momentum builder for them.
That stupid "gut check time" song they put together made it even more cringe worthy. I hate that year. Everybody was worried about Y2K leading up to that year while I was getting suspended from school for a few days after getting into a fist fight with a tacks fan. Wearing a [BLEEP] Frank Wycheck jersey.
(02-12-2022, 11:10 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 11:00 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]I was there and it was brutal. Blanked 23-0 in the second half, McNair running wild for yardage on plays where we had him contained, George pounding it down our throats. 3 fumbles and an INT pretty much did us in in the 2nd half. The DelGreco FG right before the half was a momentum builder for them.
That stupid "gut check time" song they put together made it even more cringe worthy. I hate that year. Everybody was worried about Y2K leading up to that year while I was getting suspended from school for a few days after getting into a fist fight with a tacks fan. Wearing a [BLEEP] Frank Wycheck jersey.
I hear you man. At least you picked the right jersey to pummel. Wycheck was a Jag killer.
Loving the staff Doug is putting together.
(02-12-2022, 05:18 AM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2022, 10:55 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]Mrs. Baalke alert!!!!
Miss Mouthbreather alert!!!
You’re literally the only person defending Baalke. Five starters with the number one pick and an additional first rounder? I sure hope he got five starters.
(02-12-2022, 06:50 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 05:18 AM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]Miss Mouthbreather alert!!!
You’re literally the only person defending Baalke. Five starters with the number one pick and an additional first rounder? I sure hope he got five starters.
Can people just put him on ignore? I did so a long time ago. However, if people quote him, I have to see it. He has nothing worthwhile to say. Just put him on ignore.
(02-12-2022, 06:50 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 05:18 AM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]Miss Mouthbreather alert!!!
You’re literally the only person defending Baalke. Five starters with the number one pick and an additional first rounder? I sure hopehe got five starters.
Farrell started too and could be a viable blocking tight end/H-back. Not defending, but providing more than just parrot chirping.
(02-12-2022, 09:27 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 06:50 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]You’re literally the only person defending Baalke. Five starters with the number one pick and an additional first rounder? I sure hope he got five starters.
Can people just put him on ignore? I did so a long time ago. However, if people quote him, I have to see it. He has nothing worthwhile to say. Just put him on ignore.
Please do.
I'm trying to get a better gauge on how well we like the Pederson hire.
Here is a list of the 2022 opponents on the Jaguars Schedule and their coaches.
In what games would you say we have the edge in coaching?
Houston-Lovie Smith-
Indy-Frank reich-Tennessee-Mike Vrabel
Denver-Nathaniel Hackett
Dallas-Mike McCarthy
N.Y. Giants-Brian Daboll
Philadelphia-Nick Sirianni
Washington-Ron Rivera
Las Vegas-Josh McDaniels
Baltimore-John Harbaugh
Kansas City-Andy Reid
Los Angeles Chargers=Brandon Staley
N.Y. Jets-Robert Saleh
Detroit Lions-Dan Campbell
I think our division has four good coaches. I would give Pederson the edge over the other three. Hackett is a good playcaller, but is a first time head coach. I don't give McCarthy too much credit. He won a Super Bowl, but there's the sense he wasted Aaron Rodgers by only winning one with him. Daboll is another inexperienced HC, I'd give Pederson the edge over him and McDaniels. I'd say it's a tie between Pederson and harbaugh. I'd give Andy reid the edge over Pederson, but give Pederson the edge over eveybody else on the schedule.
What do you guys think?
i think we have the coaching edge in all but the KC and Bal matchups. Unfortunately, the game wont be decided by Doug playing Reid/Harbaugh in a game of punt, pass and kick (tho i would imagine he could take both of them in that). We are still grossly deficient in talent.
(02-13-2022, 01:46 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]i think we have the coaching edge in all but the KC and Bal matchups. Unfortunately, the game wont be decide by Doug playing Reid/Harbaugh in a game of punt, pass and kick (tho i would imagine he could take both of them in that). We are still deficient in talent..
Agreed completely.
We need to hit on tthis draft. But assuming we did, I like Pederson's chances of putting the guys in a good position to win more games.
TBH, I can't recall the last time Jaguars fans would give a Jaguars coach the edge going into any match up.
I think we finally have the coaching staff in place as well as the core talent to truly build around to have a jump this year. I’m thinking we’ll likely have a season this next year kind of how many of us optimistically imagined for the year past. Probably 7 to 8 wins.
And I mean some good young pieces. Obviously we are going to need to spend a ton in free agency to achieve the above objective.