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(10-09-2022, 06:02 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2022, 05:42 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]That's my issue, a close ultimately one score game with a back who was getting 7 a clip and we have the QB throw it 47 times including inside the 10? The fix is in the tactics.
(10-09-2022, 05:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]So you think the play calling has been fine yet you want him to change his play calling next week? Makes sense
(10-09-2022, 05:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Completely agree.
That short hail Mary pass was embarrassing, but in his defense he had thrown it 46 times prior to that.
Coach needs to balance it out more. Especially when we weren't playing catch-up.
When the coach trusts the QB to make the reads, that he's missed two weeks in a row, and when the coach trusts the QB to not turn the ball over, which he's done, 7 times now in 2 games, and, he continues to sail his passes early?

Yeah. Makes a lot of sense to change the play calling up a bit. Can't be pissy with the coach and play calling when the [BLEEP] was working in the home opener and on the road in L.A.

Those play calls got you into the redzone. That interception changed the entire dynamic of the game today. The only change is Lawrence [BLEEP] the bed two weeks in a row. Not the play calling.

Only 54 snaps on offense last week due to 4 fumbles and 1, again, COSTLY interception by your QB in the redzone with points left on the field AFTER the play calling got you there.

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If he ran the ball much more last week you would of cut those fumbles in half and this week we were going up against the 31st run D and he threw the ball 47 times and ran with the backs 22, that's less than half. No the play calling hasn't been good. He needs to review the way he has been calling games.

I still really like Doug, but I would have been feeding ETN like mad today.

Doug ran three different plays with ETN that Houston seemingly had no answer for.
I'd have kept going back to the well on those until they adjusted - and then I'd have gone to something different from the same look.
Always seems easier from section 114, an armchair, or a barstool though.

(10-09-2022, 06:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2022, 06:02 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]When the coach trusts the QB to make the reads, that he's missed two weeks in a row, and when the coach trusts the QB to not turn the ball over, which he's done, 7 times now in 2 games, and, he continues to sail his passes early?

Yeah. Makes a lot of sense to change the play calling up a bit. Can't be pissy with the coach and play calling when the [BLEEP] was working in the home opener and on the road in L.A.

Those play calls got you into the redzone. That interception changed the entire dynamic of the game today. The only change is Lawrence [BLEEP] the bed two weeks in a row. Not the play calling.

Only 54 snaps on offense last week due to 4 fumbles and 1, again, COSTLY interception by your QB in the redzone with points left on the field AFTER the play calling got you there.

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If he ran the ball much more last week you would of cut those fumbles in half and this week we were going up against the 31st run D and he threw the ball 47 times and ran with the backs 22, that's less than half. No the play calling hasn't been good. He needs to review the way he has been calling games.

Annnnnd you're probably going to see Doug's approach change. Again, nobody complained in week two and week three because Lawrence was executing, hitting most of his throws and protecting the football.

Lawrence struggled in Philadelphia. The weather was rough. He was coming off AFC player of the week or month honors and they were up against the best team in football at the moment.

Strike one. Had a bad game. [BLEEP] happens. Pederson gave him a mulligan. Today was his opportunity to get it done. Pederson is giving him opportunities and he's missing them.

When the all 22 comes out in this game you'll see what I mean. His performance today was worse than his performance in Philadelphia. I know. Hard to believe. But. Only six points on the board today with a plethora of yardage. The momemtum shifting interception thrown in in the endzone, the missed reads, happy feet coupled with the overthrows will outweigh the drops in this one on film.

I think Doug is going to reveal A LOT about himself in week six already. Which could go a very long way in regards to how he and Lawrence will be viewed at a professional level.

If I am betting? Lawrence will have less than 25 pass attempts in a close win this Sunday or he'll have 45 pass attempts in a blowout loss with another multiturnover performance.

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it doesn't matter who head coach is. Vince lombrd could come back from the deadd, and it will still be the same ol jags,and he was one of the best ever in nfl. no Head coach can turn this team around.

(10-09-2022, 07:29 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]it doesn't matter who head coach is. Vince lombrd could come back from the deadd, and it will still be the same ol jags,and he was one of the best ever in nfl. no Head coach can turn this team around.

I disagree. Lombardi would have ran Lawrence, Robinson and Etienne in the alley 85% of the time.

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I feel like the honeymoon with Doug is over. I blame a part of the loss last week to his insistence on passing the ball in those weather conditions. This week, he didn't stick with the run and the play calling was just abysmal. He better be worried about Trevor, and better be acting like his job depends on it. Feel like Doug and staff underestimated their opponent today, and that is on him as well.

(10-09-2022, 07:52 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like the honeymoon with Doug is over. I blame a part of the loss last week to his insistence on passing the ball in those weather conditions. This week, he didn't stick with the run and the play calling was just abysmal. He better be worried about Trevor, and better be acting like his job depends on it. Feel like Doug and staff underestimated their opponent today, and that is on him as well.

Lol, 5 games in with the worst team in football and he's 2-3. You guys are a bit much.

I'm honestly stunned no one has started a Fire DP thread yet. Not saying it is needed, but just surprised no has yet.

(10-09-2022, 07:40 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2022, 07:29 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]it doesn't matter who head coach is. Vince lombrd could come back from the deadd, and it will still be the same ol jags,and he was one of the best ever in nfl. no Head coach can turn this team around.
I disagree. Lombardi would have ran Lawrence, Robinson and Etienne in the alley 85% of the time.

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I'm pretty sure we run this play though.

https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2022/10...s-etienne/

(10-09-2022, 07:40 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2022, 07:29 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]it doesn't matter who head coach is. Vince lombrd could come back from the deadd, and it will still be the same ol jags,and he was one of the best ever in nfl. no Head coach can turn this team around.
I disagree. Lombardi would have ran Lawrence, Robinson and Etienne in the alley 85% of the time.

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play calling isn't the issue,the team flat out sucks,and will contintue to suck. its the stirght up truth. only team in nfl history to lose 3 stright games to a winless team. Jaguars ,always the first team to lose to a winless team Jaguars at least in the last couple of years.

no coach can make this team better,Jags don't even have a franchise qb Minshew wasn't it,nither is Trevor. Loseing to a winless team on your home field is unaaceptable.

(10-09-2022, 07:52 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like the honeymoon with Doug is over. I blame a part of the loss last week to his insistence on passing the ball in those weather conditions. This week, he didn't stick with the run and the play calling was just abysmal. He better be worried about Trevor, and better be acting like his job depends on it. Feel like Doug and staff underestimated their opponent today, and that is on him as well.

If this is true the Urban Meyer wasn't the problem.

(10-09-2022, 10:46 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2022, 07:52 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like the honeymoon with Doug is over. I blame a part of the loss last week to his insistence on passing the ball in those weather conditions. This week, he didn't stick with the run and the play calling was just abysmal. He better be worried about Trevor, and better be acting like his job depends on it. Feel like Doug and staff underestimated their opponent today, and that is on him as well.

If this is true the Urban Meyer wasn't the problem.

Even if this was true Urbz was still a problem. He's a horrible coach and that's a problem

(10-09-2022, 10:46 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2022, 07:52 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like the honeymoon with Doug is over. I blame a part of the loss last week to his insistence on passing the ball in those weather conditions. This week, he didn't stick with the run and the play calling was just abysmal. He better be worried about Trevor, and better be acting like his job depends on it. Feel like Doug and staff underestimated their opponent today, and that is on him as well.

If this is true the Urban Meyer wasn't the problem.

No, both can be true. Meyer was completely unfit for any NFL coaching position.

(10-09-2022, 08:42 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2022, 07:40 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree. Lombardi would have ran Lawrence, Robinson and Etienne in the alley 85% of the time.

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play calling isn't the issue,the team flat out sucks,and will contintue to suck. its the stirght up truth. only team in nfl history to lose 3 stright games to a winless team. Jaguars ,always the first team to lose to a winless team
Jaguars at least in the last couple of years.

no coach can make this team better,Jags don't even have a franchise qb Minshew wasn't it,nither is Trevor. Loseing to a winless team on
your home field is unaaceptable.

Oh please we are not the only team to lose to 3 straight winless teams . We didn’t win to any winless teams last year . 2020 yes the dolphins and bengals but it was during the first quarter of the season

(10-09-2022, 08:01 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm honestly stunned no one has started a Fire DP thread yet. Not saying it is needed, but just surprised no has yet.

(10-09-2022, 07:40 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree. Lombardi would have ran Lawrence, Robinson and Etienne in the alley 85% of the time.

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I'm pretty sure we run this play though.

For sure. Just not 85% of the time like the old NFL teams did. Especially during Lombardi's era. Passing the football was rare. I think only a handful of teams were making it their focal point. In particular Otto Graham in Cleveland I believe. Probably Johnny Unitas as well in Baltimore.

At any rate. I still like Pederson. I still like his play calling and his play designs. It's not his fault QB1 wet the bed in week four and then proceed to crap the bed yesterday. He's calling the plays that are getting you into position to score and the passes are being overthrown, reads are being missed, easy pick-up's are being overlooked in the underneath game and he's missed a lot of big plays this year.

I think it will inevitably get better in time. It's just really hard to swallow the last two weeks of performances from Lawrence. The scheming is going to be in between a bit of everything that's worked in their two wins and even in their three losses.

Personally I want to see more running plays out of a split backfield formation instead of a single back formation. I also want to see A LOT more screens to the TE's and a little more creativity with Etienne in the passing game. I rarely see him split out wide. I think Agnew is deserving of even more opportunities on offense because of his speed alone.

I think Lawrence also needs to start using his legs more. They were trying to go that route in Philadelphia but he was putting it on the ground too much but he's had plenty of other opportunities to tuck that damn thing and pick-up easy yardage or even TD's. He has to start doing that. The bootleg and rollouts are absolutely his best passing plays though. Virtually anytime he performs one of those out of the pocket it's been successful.

He tends to settle in and find the open man better and seems more comfortable outside of the pocket. Arnold, Engram and Manhertz are nice trio if receiving options at the TE position. We FINALLY saw a lot of effort in getting them involved as a group yesterday and I think they're going to need to keep incorporating it into the game plan.

One of the issues with Pederson in Philly was his insistence on throwing the ball instead of running it. I chalked that up to him not having great backs there. But, after 5 weeks, I am starting to worry about that here. We have a fantastic RB group here and we are super pass-happy, even when we have been killing it on the ground. Him coming out and saying that he planned to have a pass focused offense in the rain and that he'd do it again is also worrisome.

Pederson is adopting with the league. If Lawrence is the GUY for this team he is building towards him and not the running game....

He believes Lawrence is a dropback QB so he is building his playbook towards his strengths. If thats not who he is than he is doing it wrong or either thinks Lawrence is that good.

(10-11-2022, 12:11 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Pederson is adopting with the league. If Lawrence is the GUY for this team he is building towards him and not the running game....

He believes Lawrence is a dropback QB so he is building his playbook towards his strengths. If thats not who he is than he is doing it wrong or either thinks Lawrence is that good.

I don't think he's a drop back QB. I think he's more along the lines of tier II, I need to move around and make plays on the run type of QB. Which is exactly what most of today's top QB tier is. Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Tua Tagovailoa, Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, etc.

The days of pure pocket passers and drop back and sling it QB's are going away. It doesn't mean you can't get it done with those guys or that they don't exist. Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, etc. Those guys are still out there getting it done to the best of their abilities but even then at times it feels like the overall speed is catching up to them.

In five games I feel like it's been made pretty self evident. Lawrence, at this time? He's struggling to get it done from the pocket, at least consistently. It doesn't mean that he can't do it. However, when you look at him, he really does live up to the Sunshine Brett Favre nickname.

Virtually every pass is a [BLEEP] bullet. Doesn't matter if it's 5 yards, 15 yards or 50 yards. He likes throwing it at full force. This is due to the nature in which he played football at Clemson. The RPO, short, quick and out stuff. He wasn't asked to drop back 30, 40 times per game. In fact, his first two years at Clemson he maybe average 25 pass attempts per game at the most and was doing a lot more with his legs.

He's at his absolute BEST when he's asked to roll out, bootleg or streak out to one side of the field and find the open man. I think Pederson needs to get back to this in his play calling. I know he wants those explosive plays, those big shots downfield but so far over these last five games it's just not there and it's not working when it is there because Sunshine doesn't have that touch in his arm yet to make those plays.

So, stick to what he's good at. Misdirection, boot legs, roll outs, play action fakes, etc. It's not going to work every game. And I get that. I am not saying you completely abandon those deep shots and deep attempts. However, if you're asking him to drop back more than 25 times per game? The shorter passes, the screens, the swings and bailout options need to be there for him.

He needs to have layered routes, again, something he's shown he can do, it's funny, but, we've seen it a few times this year where he'll have multiple targets working from left to right or right to left and he's able to bail out of the pocket and pick his receiver or target that he can hit comfortably while on the move.

He makes the difficult [BLEEP] look easy and the easy [BLEEP] look difficult at times. It's truly impressive.

(10-11-2022, 12:55 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2022, 12:11 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Pederson is adopting with the league. If Lawrence is the GUY for this team he is building towards him and not the running game....

He believes Lawrence is a dropback QB so he is building his playbook towards his strengths. If thats not who he is than he is doing it wrong or either thinks Lawrence is that good.

I don't think he's a drop back QB. I think he's more along the lines of tier II, I need to move around and make plays on the run type of QB. Which is exactly what most of today's top QB tier is. Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Tua Tagovailoa, Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, etc.

The days of pure pocket passers and drop back and sling it QB's are going away. It doesn't mean you can't get it done with those guys or that they don't exist. Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, etc. Those guys are still out there getting it done to the best of their abilities but even then at times it feels like the overall speed is catching up to them.

In five games I feel like it's been made pretty self evident. Lawrence, at this time? He's struggling to get it done from the pocket, at least consistently. It doesn't mean that he can't do it. However, when you look at him, he really does live up to the Sunshine Brett Favre nickname.

Virtually every pass is a [BLEEP] bullet. Doesn't matter if it's 5 yards, 15 yards or 50 yards. He likes throwing it at full force. This is due to the nature in which he played football at Clemson. The RPO, short, quick and out stuff. He wasn't asked to drop back 30, 40 times per game. In fact, his first two years at Clemson he maybe average 25 pass attempts per game at the most and was doing a lot more with his legs.

He's at his absolute BEST when he's asked to roll out, bootleg or streak out to one side of the field and find the open man. I think Pederson needs to get back to this in his play calling. I know he wants those explosive plays, those big shots downfield but so far over these last five games it's just not there and it's not working when it is there because Sunshine doesn't have that touch in his arm yet to make those plays.

So, stick to what he's good at. Misdirection, boot legs, roll outs, play action fakes, etc. It's not going to work every game. And I get that. I am not saying you completely abandon those deep shots and deep attempts. However, if you're asking him to drop back more than 25 times per game? The shorter passes, the screens, the swings and bailout options need to be there for him.

He needs to have layered routes, again, something he's shown he can do, it's funny, but, we've seen it a few times this year where he'll have multiple targets working from left to right or right to left and he's able to bail out of the pocket and pick his receiver or target that he can hit comfortably while on the move.

He makes the difficult [BLEEP] look easy and the easy [BLEEP] look difficult at times. It's truly impressive.

A drop back is a QB that can consistently makes plays in the pocket.

Those you listed do all that. Even, Lamar.... Lamar is known for his running but his pocket presence is underrated. Tua? I'm not sure on him yet as this is his 2nd year but... Allen, rodgers, lamar, mahomes are all dropback QBs....

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