Jacksonville Jaguars Fan Forums

Why does he keep getting banned?

Quote: 

Good head coaches don't need pro bowlers at every position before you start to see results. Good coaches make a difference with what they have to work with. They still may not win a lot of games, but you will see much closer outcomes with good coaching. Look no further than Tom Coughlin's last days here as proof. Bradley is 4-17 and presides over the 31st ranked defense and 32nd ranked offense in now year TWO of his tenure. Inexcusable at this point. The Jags point differential is pretty much just as bad this season as it was last year. 

 

IMO, we made a mistake with Bradley hiring a coach with zero head coach experience at any level. Hopefully that mistake won't be repeated. 

 

 

I never said anything about Pro bowlers at every position. But this Jaguars roster is clearly less talented than most of the other 31 teams, if not all.  And your Coughlin example is horrible because that 2002 roster was much more talented than the 2014 roster.  Is there a Jimmy Smith, Fred Taylor, Marcus Stroud, John Henderson, Mark Brunell or Donovin Darius on this roster?  

 

Now here's an example that backs up my assertion.  Jim Caldwell, in his first ever season as a head coach, went 14-2 and went to the Superbowl.  Two years later, he went 2-14 and was fired.  So, did he hit his head that year and forgot how to coach, or was it that one single Pro bowler was absent that entire year.  Sorry, players not plays, always.  

He is like that excited dog you finally let off the leash

Quote:You are asking that to an obvious troll?

 

At one time he was just kind of dim-witted, but you're right, he's definitely trolling lately.

Quote:I never said anything about Pro bowlers at every position. But this Jaguars roster is clearly less talented than most of the other 31 teams, if not all.  And your Coughlin example is horrible because that 2002 roster was much more talented than the 2014 roster.  Is there a Jimmy Smith, Fred Taylor, Marcus Stroud, John Henderson, Mark Brunell or Donovin Darius on this roster?  

 

Now here's an example that backs up my assertion.  Jim Caldwell, in his first ever season as a head coach, went 14-2 and went to the Superbowl.  Two years later, he went 2-14 and was fired.  So, did he hit his head that year and forgot how to coach, or was it that one single Pro bowler was absent that entire year.  Sorry, players not plays, always.  

 

Johns Henderson and Stroud were rookies. 

 

I think this roster right now has a lot of talent and potential, its just very young. However, with the wrong coaching/ development, it might not ever get to see that potential. 

 

I'll see your one example and give you Jim Harbaugh who took over a SF team that was in the toilet for years, and in one year with largely the same personnel he turned them into a perennial playoff team. If he leaves this next offseason, watch them fade back into obscurity. 

Quote:Johns Henderson and Stroud were rookies. 

 

I think this roster right now has a lot of talent and potential, its just very young. However, with the wrong coaching/ development, it might not ever get to see that potential. 

 

I'll see your one example and give you Jim Harbaugh who took over a SF team that was in the toilet for years, and in one year with largely the same personnel he turned them into a perennial playoff team. If he leaves this next offseason, watch them fade back into obscurity. 

 

No, Stroud was not a rookie.  That really doesn't matter, though.  They still played better that year than anybody currently on the roster.

 

And at the moment of Harbaugh's arrival, did the 49ers cease drafting players and signing free agents?  I admittedly don't keep up with them at all, but I'll assume the answer to that question is no.  So, no, it's not likely its the same roster.  Furthermore, you're not taking into account young players that would have furthered their development regardless of who the coach was going to be.

Quote:No, Stroud was not a rookie.  That really doesn't matter, though.  They still played better that year than anybody currently on the roster.

 

And at the moment of Harbaugh's arrival, did the 49ers cease drafting players and signing free agents?  I admittedly don't keep up with them at all, but I'll assume the answer to that question is no.  So, no, it's not likely its the same roster.  Furthermore, you're not taking into account young players that would have furthered their development regardless of who the coach was going to be.

 

Yes, you're right. Stroud was a 2nd year guy....but the main point is still there...

 

The Niners were largely the same roster. Harbaugh even got Alex Smith to finally resemble a competant starting QB, which up until that point he seriously looked like a Gabbert clone. 

Do I need to post a big crying baby TMD...Bortles has played 2 games

Quote:Do I need to post a big crying baby TMD...Bortles has played 2 games

 

Huh? 

 

I have no problem with Bortles. 

Think about it. You wanted patience with Bortles and said everyone who disagreed were babies. Now they are easing him in you want him to throw down field every throw despite 2 long bombs being picked already.


You will be banned soon so enjoy the freedom ...

Quote:Yes, you're right. Stroud was a 2nd year guy....but the main point is still there...

 

The Niners were largely the same roster. Harbaugh even got Alex Smith to finally resemble a competant starting QB, which up until that point he seriously looked like a Gabbert clone. 

 

The only point that remains is mine, which is this supposed great coaching job by Tom to lead a seriously bad roster to a competitive year was really just a product of your poor memory.  Regardless of what year Henderson and Stroud were in, they were better players that year than anybody on the current roster.  So your comparison isn't remotely valid.

 

And the 49ers did sit out the draft and free agency, then?  Or did they cut all of their draft picks and free agents in the preseason?  If the answer to both those questions is no, than it can't be largely the same roster.   

Quote:Think about it. You wanted patience with Bortles and said everyone who disagreed were babies. Now they are easing him in you want him to throw down field every throw despite 2 long bombs being picked already.


You will be banned soon so enjoy the freedom ...

 

Yes I did want Bortles broght along slowly (meaning not starting until the bye week or so)....

 

But now that he is in there, they aren't doing him any favors by not attacking the whole field on a regular basis. If anything it would make his life easier as the defense wouldn't be able to play their game in the same 10-15 yard box. Gotta keep a defense on its heels. 

 

No one's saying to throw downfield every throw, thats just your hyperbole. I think you should at least take 1 shot deep downfield on average every quarter of play. 

 

I don't care about Bortles INT's on deep throws. They are no worse than a punt. And more often then not they will either be caught or generate a pass interference flag, once he and the receivers start getting some confidence which can only be got through repetitions. 

 

 

I guess you're just mad since you were so God-awful wrong on your Andrew Luck assertions, and I am turning out right on them. 

 

Quote:The only point that remains is mine, which this supposed great coaching job by Tom to lead a seriously bad roster to a competitive year was really just a product of your poor memory.  Regardless of what year Henderson and Stroud were in, they were better players that year than anybody on the current roster.  So your comparison isn't remotely valid.

 

And the 49ers did sit out the draft and free angency, then?  Or did they cut all of their draft picks ans free agents in the preseason?  If the answer to both those questions is no, than it can't be largely the same roster.   

 

Poor memory? Me??? In 2002, The Jags, despite a sub par roster, and it was.....was within 7 points in almost every one of their losses that year. They actually had a positive point differential, despite a 6-10 record. 

 

Coaching indeed was quality. Tom Coughlin being fired was the cause of the curse put on this team, not beating Dan Marino in the playoffs. 

 

Coaching was never the main reason those 2000-2002 teams had losing records and we jettisioned Tom anyway and replaced him with a downgrade; a guy that indeed had issues as a head coach. 

Quote: 

Poor memory? Me??? In 2002, The Jags, despite a sub par roster, and it was.....was within 7 points in almost every one of their losses that year. They actually had a positive point differential, despite a 6-10 record. 

 

Coaching indeed was quality. Tom Coughlin being fired was the cause of the curse put on this team, not beating Dan Marino in the playoffs. 

 

Coaching was never the main reason those 2000-2002 teams had losing records and we jettisioned Tom anyway and replaced him with a guy that indeed had issues as a head coach. 

 

Let's try to stick to the comparison you made.  You brought the 2002 squad into the conversation as a direct comparison with this year's roster.  Your assertion was that the disparity in results was due entirely to coaching.  Sorry, but that's simply not true.  The rosters are nowhere close in talent level, as I pointed out.  Like it or not, players are a much bigger part of the equation than coaches.

You do know that you're not going to sway him, right?  You're reasoning with a stump.

Quote:Let's try to stick to the comparison you made.  You brought the 2002 squad into the conversation as a direct comparison with this year's roster.  Your assertion was that the disparity in results was due entirely to coaching.  Sorry, but that's simply not true.  The rosters are nowhere close in talent level, as I pointed out.  Like it or not, players are a much bigger part of the equation than coaches.

 

I brought the 2002 example here to illustrate that good coaching can at least keep a less than stellar roster competitive. 

 

Gus has not shown an ability to take what he has and make them better. IMO, thats the mark of a good coach. 

 

Even if the 2002 roster was more talented than the current one, that doesn't disprove the main point that I am asserting here. 

 

 

Put Bradley on that 2002 team, and I'd bet he does nowhere near as good a coaching job as Tom Coughlin did. Conversely, put Coughlin in charge of our team beginning last year and I don't think in year 2 were are still sitting here at 0-5 and the 31st ranked defense and 32nd ranked offense. 

Quote:You do know that you're not going to sway him, right?  You're reasoning with a stump.

 

Ah, you berade me earlier for posting stuff you deemed unfit, and then post the above insult. 

 

Hypocrite. 

Not sure why you made this about Luck? I'll praise him when he plays up to his hype for a whole season... Its not like I've ever said he isn't a decent qb. Plus he hasn't been as good as the stats if you ever watch his games.


On Bortles there has been deep throws. Stop being an impatient baby...

The word is "berate", Stumpy....

Quote:I brought the 2002 example here to illustrate that good coaching can at least keep a less than stellar roster competitive. 

 

Gus has not shown an ability to take what he has and make them better. IMO, thats the mark of a good coach. 

 

Even if the 2002 roster was more talented than the current one, that doesn't disprove the main point that I am asserting here. 

 

 

Put Bradley on that 2002 team, and I'd bet he does nowhere near as good a coaching job as Tom Coughlin did. Conversely, put Coughlin in charge of our team beginning last year and I don't think in year 2 were are still sitting here at 0-5 and the 31st ranked defense and 32nd ranked offense. 

 

Nope.  The 2002 roster was more competitive because it had better players.  Much better players, at that.  So, I don't even buy into your hypothetical.    

Oh and TMD, Luck is 15th in YPA which is your measuring stick...