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All the two stepping in this thread is awesome. Remember Caldwell put us here byvsigning straight up scrubs all the way around. We've had the most cap room two years straight and we end up with scrubs like Gerhart and Hayes. Perhaps after seven years of not spending money in FA Shad can break the lease essentially for free.

Quote:This isn't true.

 

According to Profootball reference.com, that 1990 Dallas team had ONE (1) rookie starter in the starting 22, and that was Emmitt Smith.  They had two other players who were in their second year of the NFL-Aikman and Stepnoski.  They had 5 players who were in their 3rd seasons in 1990:  Irvin, Norton, James Washington, DE Daniel Stubbs, and FB Tommie Agee.

 

That's 8 players total in their starting 22 with 3 years of experience or less.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...roster.htm

 

This year's Jaguars?

 

There have been SIX (6) rookie starters on offense alone:

 

Bortles

Lee

A. Robinson

Linder

Bowanko

Hurns

 

There appears to be a 7th who will ascend to starting status before too long (Storm Johnson).

 

There are another four (4) who are in their second season of NFL football

Joeckel

Cyprien

Gratz

Reynolds


 

To ignore this is foolish. ^  

 

This Jaguars squad is very, very green. Letting it ripen a bit before second-guessing the staff is wise IMO.

Quote:All the two stepping in this thread is awesome. Remember Caldwell put us here byvsigning straight up scrubs all the way around. We've had the most cap room two years straight and we end up with scrubs like Gerhart and Hayes. Perhaps after seven years of not spending money in FA Shad can break the lease essentially for free.

 

I'm with you.  It's tough to criticize Bradley for having to coach the team he's given.  I'm still holding out hope for Caldwell, but my patience is starting to wear thin.

Quote:All the two stepping in this thread is awesome. Remember Caldwell put us here byvsigning straight up scrubs all the way around. We've had the most cap room two years straight and we end up with scrubs like Gerhart and Hayes. Perhaps after seven years of not spending money in FA Shad can break the lease essentially for free.

 

What expensive RB did we pass up in free agency for Gerhart? What expensive LB was out there that we passed up for Hayes?

 

I get that Caldwell has had a few misses, but the above isn't really a fair knock.

 

Caldwell's drafts have been pretty good (for the most part), IMO. He's also hit on some FA's too, despite the obvious misses. 

 

I see the problem as much more of a coaching problem than a personnel problem. This coaching staff might be the worst in the entire league. Easily the worst pair of Coordinators in the entire league.....but, Caldwell is far from the worst GM in the league. Caldwell's biggest mistake is probably choosing Bradley.  Its never a good gamble to select a head coach that has no prior head coaching experience. For that to work out, the guy has to be incredibly dynamic and intelligent, and Gus wasn't that. Even Belichick who was that - didn't work out until his 2nd HC gig. Gus is a glorified cheerleader who's most intricate answer to any specific question is "we just gotta keep getting better". Yeah....great plan, Gus. 

Is that the nickname given to Gus, now?  You can do better than Glorified Cheerleader, TMD.

I agree with OP 100 percent

Quote:What expensive RB did we pass up in free agency for Gerhart? What expensive LB was out there that we passed up for Hayes?

 

I get that Caldwell has had a few misses, but the above isn't really a fair knock.

 

Caldwell's drafts have been pretty good (for the most part), IMO. He's also hit on some FA's too, despite the obvious misses. 

 

I see the problem as much more of a coaching problem than a personnel problem. This coaching staff might be the worst in the entire league. Easily the worst pair of Coordinators in the entire league.....but, Caldwell is far from the worst GM in the league. Caldwell's biggest mistake is probably choosing Bradley.  Its never a good gamble to select a head coach that has no prior head coaching experience.

Oh lord, first off, saying what rb/lb Caldwell could have signed over said scrub is a total cop out if you will. The guy's job is to bring talent in first and foremost,and that's certainly not been the case so far. Blaming Bradley is ridiculous considering Caldwell is the one who signed him and put players together that fit his scheme. Trading away Monroe for nothing is very reminiscent of the scrub regimes from the previous years. Creating a whole when one was not there. Leftwich/ Brunnel, Alualu and Smith/ Henderson, and now Monroe/ Joeckel. As I alluded to previously, the frightening part is Caldwell will more than likely stick around longer then he should due to his luckbox pick via the Texans and Rams. Rebuild is the most [BLEEP] term that is continually worshipped on this board. How long do you rebuild for? Two decades?

Quote:Oh lord, first off, saying what rb/lb Caldwell could have signed over said scrub is a total cop out if you will. The guy's job is to bring talent in first and foremost,and that's certainly not been the case so far. Blaming Bradley is ridiculous considering Caldwell is the one who signed him and put players together that fit his scheme. Trading away Monroe for nothing is very reminiscent of the scrub regimes from the previous years. Creating a whole when one was not there. Leftwich/ Brunnel, Alualu and Smith/ Henderson, and now Monroe/ Joeckel. As I alluded to previously, the frightening part is Caldwell will more than likely stick around longer then he should due to his luckbox pick via the Texans and Rams. Rebuild is the most [BAD WORD REMOVED] term that is continually worshipped on this board. How long do you rebuild for? Two decades?

 

Caldwell has done a decent job, overall in upgrading the talent base. 

 

The current OL is young, and improving. 

 

The franchise QB is here, so long as the coaches don't degenerate him into a game manager. 

 

The WR corps is young and quality. 

 

Storm Johnson is IMO, at least a legit competent, starting caliber RB in this league, or will be. 

 

The LB corps is horrendous, but you can't fix everything at once. 

 

The DL has improved to the point that it is close to the NFL lead in sacks, while being at least competent in run defense when not on the field all day. 

 

The DB's are mixed. Gratz was a terrible pick if they thought he could start. McCray is already better than him, and was a nice late draft pick find. Colvin is expected to be the opposite starter. 

 

Cyprien was another so-so pick, since he's basically a Box Safety whose a liability in coverage and you can get that sort of player much later than the 33rd pick. 

 

 

IMO, the talent on this team is better than the coaching it is getting. 

 

The Jags have the worst pair of Coordinators in the entire league, and IMO, only 2 or 3 really quality position coaches on the staff (Sully/ Wash/ Scelfo)

 

Bradley is another one of these Wade Phillips type guys that is over his head as head coach. For all we know maybe Carroll carried him as DC as well. They sure haven't missed Bradley since his departure, and his defense in Seattle never really got good until Carroll arrived, so....

 

Quote:This isn't true.
 
According to Profootball reference.com, that 1990 Dallas team had ONE (1) rookie starter in the starting 22, and that was Emmitt Smith.  They had two other players who were in their second year of the NFL-Aikman and Stepnoski.  They had 5 players who were in their 3rd seasons in 1990:  Irvin, Norton, James Washington, DE Daniel Stubbs, and FB Tommie Agee.
 
That's 8 players total in their starting 22 with 3 years of experience or less.
 
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...roster.htm
 
This year's Jaguars?
 
There have been SIX (6) rookie starters on offense alone:
 
Bortles
Lee
A. Robinson
Linder
Bowanko
Hurns
 
There appears to be a 7th who will ascend to starting status before too long (Storm Johnson).
 
There are another four (4) who are in their second season of NFL football
Joeckel
Cyprien
Gratz
Reynolds

Bullseye: 1
TMD: 0

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Cyprien was another so-so pick, since he's basically a Box Safety whose a liability in coverage and you can get that sort of player much later than the 33rd pick. 

 

Based on what?

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I  Even Belichick who was that - didn't work out until his 2nd HC gig. 

 

Oh, I wonder why that is?  Couldn't be because of a certain QB whose last name is Brady?  Even into this supposed wizard's second gig he was 5-13 before starting Brady.  So it's always players over plays.  There's no credible argument to the contrary.  And coaching wizards don't lose twice to an expansion team in the same season.  

Yeah I wouldn't call Cyp a liability in coverage. He's one of the only bright spots in coverage through 5 games.

Quote:Based on what?

 

lol, ....functioning eyes. 

Quote:lol, ....functioning eyes. 

 

More like functioning agenda. You have no other reason.

Quote:lol, ....functioning eyes. 

LOL, buuuhhhwaaaa. You can see, just can't process what you see.

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Bullseye: 1

TMD: 0

 

If you want to see that, you will

 

Quote:Oh, I wonder why that is?  Couldn't be because of a certain QB whose last name is Brady?  Even into this supposed wizard's second gig he was 5-13 before starting Brady.  So it's always players over plays.  There's no credible argument to the contrary.  And coaching wizards don't lose twice to an expansion team in the same season.  

 

That same coaching wizard got the Browns to a playoff win and div title and best defense in the league the year prior. 

 

No coach was winning with that team with the mess that surrounded it in 1995. But I know, nobody remembers that part. 

 

Quote:Yeah I wouldn't call Cyp a liability in coverage. He's one of the only bright spots in coverage through 5 games.

 

Cyp has played well at times, I agree, but overall he's contributed to the pass defense big play coverage issues too. Are we really suggesting that he's been perfect back there? He's made mistakes too. 

 

IMO, the best DB we have right now is McCray. 

 

Cyprien, like him or hate him, wasn't nearly worth the 33rd pick in the draft. Not sure how people could sanely argue against that at this point. 

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Cyp has played well at times, I agree, but overall he's contributed to the pass defense big play coverage issues too. 

 

That's just the thing. He's not. He been one of the few bright spots on a bad defense.

But it's cool. Anybody who has been on this board for any length of time knows how your schtick works.

Quote:No coach was winning with that team with the mess that surrounded it in 1995. But I know, nobody remembers that part. 

 

 

Yes, and no coach is coming close to competing with the steaming pile of dung that's posing as this year's Jaguars roster.

Quote:That's just the thing. He's not. He been one of the few bright spots on a bad defense.

 

Is he worth the 33rd overall pick?

 

BTW, McCray's been the brightest spot so far of any defensive / secondary guy. 

 

Quote:Yes, and no coach is coming close to competing with the steaming pile of dung that's posing as this year's Jaguars roster.

 

Disagree. 

 

As said before, this team not winning this year is understandable/ acceptable. This team with the point differential it has, combined with the offensive/ defensive rankings they've produced is not acceptable. Better coaching could have this team a lot more competitive, IMO.