Quote:Yes I did want Bortles broght along slowly (meaning not starting until the bye week or so)....
But now that he is in there, they aren't doing him any favors by not attacking the whole field on a regular basis. If anything it would make his life easier as the defense wouldn't be able to play their game in the same 10-15 yard box. Gotta keep a defense on its heels.
No one's saying to throw downfield every throw, thats just your hyperbole. I think you should at least take 1 shot deep downfield on average every quarter of play.
I don't care about Bortles INT's on deep throws. They are no worse than a punt. And more often then not they will either be caught or generate a pass interference flag, once he and the receivers start getting some confidence which can only be got through repetitions.
I guess you're just mad since you were so God-awful wrong on your Andrew Luck assertions, and I am turning out right on them.
Poor memory? Me??? In 2002, The Jags, despite a sub par roster, and it was.....was within 7 points in almost every one of their losses that year. They actually had a positive point differential, despite a 6-10 record.
Coaching indeed was quality. Tom Coughlin being fired was the cause of the curse put on this team, not beating Dan Marino in the playoffs.
Coaching was never the main reason those 2000-2002 teams had losing records and we jettisioned Tom anyway and replaced him with a downgrade; a guy that indeed had issues as a head coach.
And Bortles took 4 downfield shots against the Steelers. Two were caught, and one was called back because of a holding play.
Quote:Nope. The 2002 roster was more competitive because it had better players. Much better players, at that. So, I don't even buy into your hypothetical.
Well then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
That 2002 roster had Fred and Jimmy, so I'll give 'em that. But Henderson and Stroud weren't to their potential till after that year so I'm not including them as you will. The overall roster really wasn't all that talented. Can you name any of the LB from that 2002 team? Their DB were pretty much awful. How about at DE?? Brackens was gone/ injured by then. Their OL was suspect. No Boselli. No Searcy.
Where was all this "talent" in 2002??
Sounds like you just don't want to give Tom Coughlin or coaching in general, any credit here.
Quote: The most important thing that this staff MUST not mess up is the QB- Bortles, and IMO, it appears they are doing just that.
Look at Bortles play in preseason, and then the 3 games this season. He's clearly regressing. His YPA went from consistently in the 9's or above in all preseason games as well as the 2nd half of the Indy game, to 7.8 two weeks ago to Gabbert-like 5.3 last week. You can't tell me that Bortles this past Sunday is resembling ANYTHING like the gunslinger that we saw in his first 5 appearances.
IMO, why this is happening is because the coaching staff is overreacting to the INT's he's throwing and shortening the pass play routes which isn't doing anything but hurting him.
That pick 6 against the Steelers last week was on Fisch just as much as it was on Blake. What do you expect to happen when every pass play you call is a shorter route???? Eventually the defense is going to jump one of them and you get what happened.
They threw one stinking deep pass attempt last week for the ENTIRE game and it was picked off, so then Fisch totally abandoned it. Thats not how you help a young QB. They should be trying about one deep pass every quarter, just to keep the defense honest. Otherwise, all you are doing is helping makie the defenses life easier and hurting the development of your own QB. I remember Andy Reid would take a deep shot downfield with McNabb just about every 8-10 attempts (on average) - to keep the defense from bunching up and playing the game in a 10-15 yard box.
If things don't improve drastically, and soon, I am hoping Khan is investigating the availability of a proven winner like Jim Harbaugh at seasons end. Harbaugh has head coaching experience, has been susccessful and seems to get the most out of his QB's. (Alex Smith) and even Kap.
Bortles regression over the past few weeks; has more to do with him going up against actual legit 1st team defenses, than the 3rd to 2nd string defenses that we grew accustomed to seeing him pick apart during the preseason. I agree that Fisch and Babich have got to go soon, but I don't think that this is entirely Bradley's fault
either. The only way that I could conceivably see Bradley being fired at the end of the season, would be if the team finished 0-16, or finished with a record less than 4-12.
Now if there's anyone at the top who deserves any criticism, its Shad Khan himself.
Quote:Bortles regression over the past few weeks; has more to do with him going up against actual legit 1st team defenses, than the 3rd to 2nd string defenses that we grew accustomed to seeing him pick apart during the preseason. I agree that Fisch and Babich have got to go soon, but I don't think that this is entirely Bradley's fault
either. The only way that I could conceivably see Bradley being fired at the end of the season, would be if the team finished 0-16, or finished with a record less than 4-12.
Now if there's anyone at the top who deserves any criticism, its Shad Khan himself.
San Diego's is good, I'll give you that point (however Bortles lit them up in the first half before the Jags offense went conservative on its own in the 2nd half of that game) but Pittsburgh's defense hasn't really been that good this season. Even worse when you consider that arguably their best player (Shazier) was out this game.
Quote:Well then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
That 2002 roster had Fred and Jimmy, so I'll give 'em that. But Henderson and Stroud weren't to their potential till after that year so I'm not including them as you will. The overall roster really wasn't all that talented. Can you name any of the LB from that 2002 team? Their DB were pretty much awful. How about at DE?? Brackens was gone/ injured by then. Their OL was suspect. No Boselli. No Searcy.
Where was all this "talent" in 2002??
Sounds like you just don't want to give Tom Coughlin or coaching in general, any credit here.
Sorry, but you can't exclude Henderson and Stroud. I'll will say it for the third time, they played better that year than anybody at that position has this year. And Brunell was playing QB better than anybody currently on the roster is. And that is the most important position, after all. And you forgot Darius. And since Lewis is out, I'd argue that Brady was much better that year than anybody we're throwing out there these days. The OL, while not world beating, was much better than this years bunch. Meester was center, Williams at right tackle and Naeole at LG. The only bad moments is when Todd Fordham had to step in for an injured Pearson.
Quote:Sorry, but you can't exclude Henderson and Stroud. I'll will say it for the third time, they played better that year than anybody at that position has this year. And Brunell was playing QB better than anybody currently on the roster is. And that is the most important position, after all. And you forgot Darius. And since Lewis is out, I'd argue that Brady was much better that year than anybody we're throwing out there these days. The OL, while not world beating, was much better than this years bunch. Meester was center, Williams at right tackle and Naeole at LG. The only bad moments is when Todd Fordham had to step in for an injured Pearson.
Meester was at Guard in 2002.
Not to nitpick, but you continually keep saying about "my" bad memory here.
Yeah, Brady was better than our TE, agreed.
Brunell at that point (2002) was not more talented than Bortles. More "seasoned"? Sure.
The Jags DL/ depth is better now than it was at that point in 2002. Yep even with the 2002 versions of Hender-stroud.
Cyprien is pretty close to Darius, actually. They are both decent box Safeties that are liabilities in coverage.
I'd give the OL nod to the 2002 team, mainly on experience.
The LB corps were equally bad for both teams.
Special teams about the same.
DB play about the same.
RB play obviously edge to 2002.
WR play edge to 2002 because of Jimmy, but much deeper on 2014's team.
Quote:Meester was at Guard in 2002.
Not to nitpick, but you continually keep saying about "my" bad memory here.
Who was the center then? Naeole and Weigart were the guards.
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Not to nitpick, but you continually keep saying about "my" bad memory here.
Oh, and I said that once. So once is continually in your book?
Quote:Who was the center then? Naeole and Weigart were the guards.
I think Weigart was a Tackle back then along with Pearson. Meester wasn't moved to Center until Del Rio arrived. It was actually one of his early moves that was good.
Quote:Oh, and I said that once. So once is continually in your book?
Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me, I thought you made mention to memory a few times. I could be wrong tho.
Give one example of Cyp being a liability in coverage this year or admit that you are lying.
Quote:I think Weigart was a Tackle back then along with Pearson. Meester wasn't moved to Center until Del Rio arrived. It was actually one of his early moves that was good.
wiki backs up my recollection. Scroll down to roster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Jackso...ars_season
Quote:I'm telling you, thats wrong.
Meester was a Guard under Coughlin.
I'd bet my house on it. Meester wasn't moved to Center until Del Rio arrived.
I didn't know you could afford a house on a minimum wage fry cook salary.
Quote:I'm telling you, thats wrong.
Meester was a Guard under Coughlin.
I'd bet my house on it. Meester wasn't moved to Center until Del Rio arrived.
Once again, who was the center then?
Quote:I didn't know you could afford a house on a minimum wage fry cook salary.
How are posts like this allowed? Just stirring the pot and completely avoiding the thread topic.
Anyways, I don't see much difference in the team now and the team Mularkey had. Then again, we also had a completely incompetent GM back then...
Quote:Once again, who was the center then?
You know what?.....as crazy as this sounds I think it might have actually been Weigart at Center
...and Mo Williams and Pearson on the Tackles. Naeole and Meester at Guards
Quote:Once again, who was the center then?
Okay, I found it. John Wade. Which actually bolsters my argument that the OL that year was much better than this year.
Quote:Okay, I found it. John Wade. Which actually bolsters my argument that the OL that year was much better than this year.
okay Wade....thats right.
I knew Meester was a Guard under Coughlin. (so wiki was wrong, imagine that???
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It was one of the decisions I never agreed with, Meester was a Center in college and I always thought thats what the Jags should have used him as. Amazing it too Del Rio of all people to get that one right. Coughlin though, as good of a coach as he was made a few puzzling decisions in regards to player usage. Paup as a cover LB???
Quote:I didn't know you could afford a house on a minimum wage fry cook salary.
Please share with the board what you do for a living.