Quote:The only reason Bortles YPA is so low of recent is because of the limitations our own coaches are putting on him, it has nothing to do with opposing defenses. He throws a few deep INT's and they panic and have him game manage after those.
I've noticed the same thing. Let him throw 1000 picks...Who cares...just let him develop and play ball. If he doesn't develop the Jags are set back several more years.
Quote:I've noticed the same thing. Let him throw 1000 picks...Who cares...just let him develop and play ball. If he doesn't develop the Jags are set back several more years.
Are they not letting him throw the ball? Have all of his picks been on short passes?
Quote:I've noticed the same thing. Let him throw 1000 picks...Who cares...just let him develop and play ball. If he doesn't develop the Jags are set back several more years.
Luck and Manning were allowed to let it fly and throw a LOT of INT's their rookie years.... I think Manning threw 28.
Because of that approach by their 3rd years they wound up much ahead of the game.
You think that treating a QB like a game manager with a bib is the way to go and it isn't. All that does is stunt a QB's growth.
Edit, nevermind, I thought you were arguing against it.
Quote:Are they not letting him throw the ball?
Mostly short passes only the past 6 quarters.
Quote:The only reason Bortles YPA is so low of recent is because of the limitations our own coaches are putting on him, it has nothing to do with opposing defenses. He throws a few deep INT's and they panic and have him game manage after those.
Since this is all apparently fantasy -- let's assume neither Bortles nor his coaches made or make any adjustment and he continues along the same path as those first 4 magical quarters and throws 43 picks this season. That's OK with you?
Quote:Since this is all apparently fantasy -- let's assume neither Bortles nor his coaches made or make any adjustment and he continues along the same path as those first 4 magical quarters and throws 43 picks this season. That's OK with you?
He won't throw 43 picks, but if he threw 30 like Peyton Manning did his rookie year and they mostly occured via downfield passing like his first INT this past Sunday, no, that doesn't bother me. He'll improve with the increased repetition of down field throws.
Quote:He won't throw 43 picks, but if he threw 30 like Peyton Manning did his rookie year and they mostly occured via downfield passing like his first INT this past Sunday, no, that doesn't bother me. He'll improve with the increased repetition of down field throws.
He's thrown 6 picks. Here's how they played out:
Interception 1 - 38 yard pass
Interception 2 - 22 yard pass
Interception 3 - 8 yard pass
Interception 4 - 7 yard pass
Interception 5 - 43 yard pass
Interception 6 - 8 yard pass
Seems to me he's thrown 3 short picks and 3 intermediate/long ones.
Shackles.
All this discussion about Bortles picks when the coach said at the beginning of the season he was going to sit for the first year to learn behind Henne! Not that I mind he was inserted when he was, but it begs the question if the coaching staff can stick to a plan which was, presumably, thought out by experts in a planning meeting.
Regards.....................the Chiefjag
Quote:He's thrown 6 picks. Here's how they played out:
Interception 1 - 38 yard pass
Interception 2 - 22 yard pass
Interception 3 - 8 yard pass
Interception 4 - 7 yard pass
Interception 5 - 43 yard pass
Interception 6 - 8 yard pass
Seems to me he's thrown 3 short picks and 3 intermediate/long ones.
Shackles.
Not that I agree with TMD, but what you outlined above kinda supports what he is saying. He specifically said the last 6 quarters and from your info, 3 of his 4 interceptions in his last 6 quarters have been on short passes.
Quote:Not that I agree with TMD, but what you outlined above kinda supports what he is saying. He specifically said the last 6 quarters and from your info, 3 of his 4 interceptions in his last 6 quarters have been on short passes.
The issue is the finality of the judgements rendered around here on a fractional sample size. He's thrown 6 INTs, and that was enough for certain people on this board to start threads about how he's no good. Other people use it as fodder to advance their agenda that the coaches are no good. It's absurd on it's face to pronounce a conclusion on SIX [BAD WORD REMOVED] QUARTERS OF A ROOKIE SEASON.
Quote:The issue is the finality of the judgements rendered around here on a fractional sample size. He's thrown 6 INTs, and that was enough for certain people on this board to start threads about how he's no good. Other people use it as fodder to advance their agenda that the coaches are no good. It's absurd on it's face to pronounce a conclusion on SIX [BAD WORD REMOVED] QUARTERS OF A ROOKIE SEASON.
Actually few are complaining about the number (total) of INT's, (at least I'm not). I've said I don't care if he throws 30 picks this season, as long as those picks are the result of attacking downfield and being aggressive. The INT's that I do NOT like are the kind like Bortles 2nd on Sunday which IMO was the indirect result of calling/ attempting too many short passes and not mixing it up, which after awhile the defense is going to know whats coming and jump a route. Its why conservative football sucks sucks sucks.
Quote:The issue is the finality of the judgements rendered around here on a fractional sample size. He's thrown 6 INTs, and that was enough for certain people on this board to start threads about how he's no good. Other people use it as fodder to advance their agenda that the coaches are no good. It's absurd on it's face to pronounce a conclusion on SIX [BAD WORD REMOVED] QUARTERS OF A ROOKIE SEASON.
So be it and like I said I do not agree with TMD, but if you are going to disagree it would at least help not to provide information which pretty much states what he is saying. For example,,just state as you did, it is way too early and he has played the last 6 quarters without his 2 most experienced receivers in Shorts and Lewis, which is a much larger factor for him than anything else.
Quote:exactly ^
The only conclusion I'm drawing from those 6 quarters are about what happened in those 6 quarters....conservative, game manager-like football. 5.5 YPA. I hate it.
Quote:The only conclusion I'm drawing from those 6 quarters are about what happened in those 6 quarters....conservative, game manager-like football. 5.5 YPA. I hate it.
Right. You are drawing a conclusion from 6 quarters of football. Therein lies the ridiculousness.
Quote:Actually few are complaining about the number (total) of INT's, (at least I'm not). I've said I don't care if he throws 30 picks this season, as long as those picks are the result of attacking downfield and being aggressive. The INT's that I do NOT like are the kind like Bortles 2nd on Sunday which IMO was the indirect result of calling/ attempting too many short passes and not mixing it up, which after awhile the defense is going to know whats coming and jump a route. Its why conservative football sucks sucks sucks.
Bingo...Dead on balls accurate.
Quote:All this discussion about Bortles picks when the coach said at the beginning of the season he was going to sit for the first year to learn behind Henne! Not that I mind he was inserted when he was, but it begs the question if the coaching staff can stick to a plan which was, presumably, thought out by experts in a planning meeting.
Regards.....................the Chiefjag
I like to take it as a positive sign, i.e. that the coaching staff matured and became smart enough to realize how stupid their original plan was.
Quote:Not that I agree with TMD, but what you outlined above kinda supports what he is saying. He specifically said the last 6 quarters and from your info, 3 of his 4 interceptions in his last 6 quarters have been on short passes.
They're not stopping him from throwing the ball down the field. The notion that he's somehow shackled is borderline laughable. The only limitations that are being put on Bortles are based on what he's comfortable with as far as the offense goes, and then the number of younger players he's working with on the offensive side of the ball. TMD wants to fixate on the 5.5 YPA average because that props up his lame argument. Look at the number of drops, and the depth on those passes coupled with the varied length of his interceptions so far. Nobody is shackling Bortles.
FYI, Gil Brandt was just on with the guys on 1010XL, and he disagrees that Bradley is in over his head. In fact, Brandt, who knows a thing or two about being successful in the NFL, called Bradley a special coach who is going to be a good one in this league. He said that the team is still dealing with mistakes made in the draft 3,4, and even 5 years ago, but they're headed in the right direction with their approach.