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Quote:You might want to try watching the game. They showed blitz from the right, He checked out of the run to a hot read to the right you can hear him call it. This had happened earlier in the game and he threw a quick pass to the hot read. The int happened because the experienced DB saw it and jumped the short hot read. I tis pretty simple had nothing to do with there were no deep patterns BB killed all the deep routes when he saw the blitz coming, he just needs to read the Safties better when he does that so they dont jump the route.

 

You're entitled to your opinion. 

 

There was one deep pass all game. 

 

The rest of the game Bortles was very Henne like (in the type of passes he was attempting) IMO, I think it was probably due to the play calls and Fisch/ Bradley overreacting to the lone deep INT. 

 

As a matter of fact I remember saying to my buddies watching the game  that A pick 6 was coming at any time (prior to it) if they keep up this short [BAD WORD REMOVED] passing. The defense was bound to jump one of those routes, with the passing offense being that predictable. 

 

 

The Jags passing game resembles nothing like Bortles first 5 appearances. IMO, its not that hard to see that its because we are refusing to consistently attack the whole field in the last game like Bortles was doing before. 

Rookie QB, Rookie WRs, No running game, Bad O-Line = Bad team.

 

I honestly expected this type of year.  This team is way too young to do anything this year or even next year without some veteran help

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As a matter of fact I remember saying to my buddies watching the game  that A pick 6 was coming at any time 

I'm going to call Bull Stuff on this one.  Doubtful you called it in advance and NO WAY you have any "buddies".

 

Those were customers waiting for their order.

Quote:The last time I was allowed to post we had just lost the Eagles game. Well, since then, we've won zero games...


 

Hate to say it folks, but I think what we are seeing is the culmination of a head coach that is in over his head. 


 

We are not getting any better and the 4-4 record to end last season seems to be merely the result of happenstance of playing equally bad teams or worse. 


 

We were at the bottom of the league in offense and defense last year, and we are right there again this season, in the total rankings. In the big picture, nothing is improving. 


 

As I look back, things that I remember posting about being concerning with Bradley's initial hire have pretty much come to roost - first and foremost - the Coordinator hires. Both Fisch and Babich were seen as poor hires by me (and a few others) when they happened and neither has done anything to prove those initial fears wrong. 


 

Guess what though - bad assistant coaching hires falls on the head coach. That is part of his responsibility. 


 

The 2 Coordinators are likely not the only bad hires on this staff, however. It seems to be filled with subpar hires all around it. With only a few standout decent to good hires. I'f say at this point after 21 games, the only assistants that I'd point to that seem to have been good hires would be the WR coach, the DL coach, and maybe the QB coach. The rest all don't seem to be doing a good job in getting their prospective player groups improving over time. I understand that not every player is going to be a "pro bowler" but solid position coaches do at least get their group to show some improvement over time regardless of talent ceiling. 


 

I think the poor assistant coach hires can be partially linked to the fact that Bradley had zero head coaching experience coming into this job. There obviously a LOT of other aspects of Bradley's coaching (where he seems to be failing) that can also be attributed to his lack of HC experience as well. - such as poor clock management. 


 

Through 21 Games, Bradley is now 4-17. The only other successful head coach over the last 25 years that I can remember starting out this bad was Jimmy Johnson of Dallas who started out at 4-22. But at least with his team, they indeed were showing improvement in their 2nd year. Also, while their offense was still struggling in the 2nd year, at least their defense was showing clear signs of ascension. They only gave up around 300 points for that entire season after giving up close to 400 the previous year. 


 

The Jags offense and defense overall continues to be bad. Bottom of the league bad. Last week seemed to be more the result of playing safe defense as opposed to actual improvement. When they needed a stop in the 4th Q on Pitts last drive - they couldn't do it. Didn't Pitt keep the ball for what seemed like the final 7 and a half minutes of the game to run out the clock???


 

 

I'm very close to the point where I advise the owner to pretty much pull the plug on the head coach at seasons end. 


 

 

The most important thing that this staff MUST not mess up is the QB- Bortles, and IMO, it appears they are doing just that. 


 

Look at Bortles play in preseason, and then the 3 games this season. He's clearly regressing. His YPA went from consistently in the 9's or above in all preseason games as well as the 2nd half of the Indy game, to 7.8 two weeks ago to Gabbert-like 5.3 last week. You can't tell me that Bortles this past Sunday is resembling ANYTHING like the gunslinger that we saw in his first 5 appearances. 


 

IMO, why this is happening is because the coaching staff is overreacting to the INT's he's throwing and shortening the pass play routes which isn't doing anything but hurting him. 


 

That pick 6 against the Steelers last week was on Fisch just as much as it was on Blake. What do you expect to happen when every pass play you call is a shorter route???? Eventually the defense is going to jump one of them and you get what happened. 


 

They threw one stinking deep pass attempt last week and it was picked off, so then Fisch totally abandoned it. Thats not how you help a young QB. They should be trying about one deep pass every quarter, just to keep the defense honest. Otherwise, all you are doing is helping makie the defenses life easier and hurting the development of your own QB. I remember Andy Reid would take a deep shot downfield with McNabb just about every 8-10 attempts (on average) - to keep the defense from bunching up and playing the game in a 10-15 yard box. 


 

 

If things don't improve drastically, and soon, I am hoping Khan is investigating the availability of a proven winner like Jim Harbaugh at seasons end. Harbaugh has head coaching experience, has been susccessful and seems to get the most out of his QB's. (Alex Smith) and even Kap. 

 

Aside from the Redskins game, we've faced some pretty stiff competition.  And in the Redskins game we were still being hampered by Chad Henne.  And we were also being hampered by having a very young team.  


I agree that Fisch and Babich could both be parts of the problem.  I think that Gus Bradley is a guy who is willing to give too many opportunities at times.  I think we should have made some moves at the end of last season.  His lack of experience (and the Jags not being an attractive spot to land for coaches) can't be held against him too much.  I don't think there's many coaches who would want to come here pre-Bortles.  Availability matters, and so does the amount of talent on the team.


Jimmy Johnson didn't take over what was essentially an expansion team.  If you look at the lack of talent on the team, it explains the lack of wins very well.  The team should be showing improvement, but I don't think we can say if any improvement is being made at this point.  It's a very young team, with few draft picks on the Defensive side of the ball.

Bortles isn't regressing.  His stats don't look quite as good, but that's in part due to facing tougher defenses, not having a running game (which keeps the Defense honest), and playcalling, as well as the players we have.  


Why would a proven winner come here, when we don't give coaches time to bring the talent in, and blame them for the problems?  We don't want to become the Oakland Raiders.  I think Bradley goes on the hot seat at the start of next season.  


 

Quote:You might want to try watching the game. They showed blitz from the right, He checked out of the run to a hot read to the right you can hear him call it. This had happened earlier in the game and he threw a quick pass to the hot read. The int happened because the experienced DB saw it and jumped the short hot read. I tis pretty simple had nothing to do with there were no deep patterns BB killed all the deep routes when he saw the blitz coming, he just needs to read the Safties better when he does that so they dont jump the route.

 

So he did not throw deep because of a blitz, but threw straight to the blitz? LOL

Quote:So he did not throw deep because of a blitz, but threw straight to the blitz? LOL

SMH

 

The CB Blitzed leaving an open a reciever wich the safty came down to cover but he read BB  eyes and jumped the route BB threw to what he thought was the open reciever.

TMD's todo list

 

1) attack the Head coach (check)

2) give the head coach a degrading nickname

3) attack the coordinators(check)

4) say that he was right all along in every post(check)

5) get people to back him up(check)

6) attack the GM

7) start a notice me thread(check)

8) rinse and repeat

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Quote:Rookie QB, Rookie WRs, No running game, Bad O-Line = Bad team.

 

I honestly expected this type of year.  This team is way too young to do anything this year or even next year without some veteran help

 

Same WR's he played with the first 5 games. 

 

JUst more conservative routes the last game. 

 

 

Blakes play vs Pitt is the result of conservative playcalling, not personnel IMO. 

 

 

The Jags helped make life easier for Pitt's defense by keeping almost every pass attempt into a 10-15 yard box. Pitt was like Thank you very much. 

 

Even if you don't complete them, you gotta take the occasional 4-5 shots per game downfield. 

Quote:You can cite "22 y/o rookie" all you want. I'm talking about playing style. Blake is regressing into the Chad Henne mold these past 3 games, and in my opinion its happening because the coaches are shortening the field on him. Which is only helping the defense. 

 

Let Blake attack the whole field. If the deeper passes get picked off, like last week, so what? Thats better than continually throwing short attempts that get the defense playing in a 10-15 yard box and ultimately all you are doing is inviting a pick 6 once a route is ultimately jumped. 

 

Yes, Bortles audibled out, but the INT happened largely because the defense knew there was little threat of a deeper route. Thats what you seem to be missing. 

 

First deep attempt Sunday.  Hurns runs the wrong route, Blake takes a hard hit and it's nearly an INT.  Definitely should have done THAT more.



 

You need to stop discounting the rookie being a rookie and also consider the starting WR lineup of Rookie, Undrafted Rookie, Brown. 

I'll also say that Jedd's playcalling probably isn't a result of Bortles interceptions, and more a result of our young WR's.   It's not that he doesn't trust Bortles, it's that he doesn't trust the receivers.  Who are mostly Rookies, who have run the wrong routes at times.  I don't think the playcalling will ultimately turn Bortles Henne-like.  He's not going to regress because of hampered playcalling.  He doesn't seem like that type of player to me.


I know people hate bringing up Manning, but I'm going to do it anyway:


In his first year, Manning had some pretty weak YPA games, including a sub 4 YPA against the Dolphins.  

Quote:I'll also say that Jedd's playcalling probably isn't a result of Bortles interceptions, and more a result of our young WR's.   It's not that he doesn't trust Bortles, it's that he doesn't trust the receivers.  Who are mostly Rookies, who have run the wrong routes at times.  I don't think the playcalling will ultimately turn Bortles Henne-like.  He's not going to regress because of hampered playcalling.  He doesn't seem like that type of player to me.


I know people hate bringing up Manning, but I'm going to do it anyway:


In his first year, Manning had some pretty weak YPA games, including a sub 4 YPA against the Dolphins.  

Agreed. 

Deacon; out.

Quote:I'm very close to the point where I advise the owner to pretty much pull the plug on the head coach at seasons end. 

"Dave! Dave! Come in here now!"

"What is it, Shad?"

"Some guy who keeps getting suspended from the message boards is advising me to fire Gus!"

"Oh, well, I guess we'd better replace him then."

"Is Harbaugh available?"

"Which one?"

"I don't care! This guy is advising me to dump Gus, and I can't ignore that coming from a die-hard fan."

Quote:Deacon; out.

Arm concussion?

Quote:Same WR's he played with the first 5 games.

 

Wrong. Lee played in games 1 and 2. Shorts played in games 3 and 4. Sanders played in game 5.

Quote:The last time I was allowed to post we had just lost the Eagles game. Well, since then, we've won zero games...

 

Hate to say it folks, but I think what we are seeing is the culmination of a head coach that is in over his head. 

 

We are not getting any better and the 4-4 record to end last season seems to be merely the result of happenstance of playing equally bad (or dead) teams.

 

We were at the bottom of the league in offense and defense last year, and we are right there again this season, in the total rankings. In the big picture, nothing is improving. 

 

As I look back, things that I remember posting about being concerning with Bradley's initial hire have pretty much come to roost - first and foremost - the Coordinator hires. Both Fisch and Babich were seen as poor hires by me (and a few others) when they happened and neither has done anything to prove those initial fears wrong. 

 

Guess what though - bad assistant coaching hires falls on the head coach. That is part of his responsibility. 

 

The 2 Coordinators are likely not the only bad hires on this staff, however. It seems to be filled with subpar hires all around it. With only a few standout decent to good hires. I'f say at this point after 21 games, the only assistants that I'd point to that seem to have been good hires would be the WR coach, the DL coach, and maybe the QB coach. The rest all don't seem to be doing a good job in getting their prospective player groups improving over time. I understand that not every player is going to be a "pro bowler" but solid position coaches do at least get their group to show some improvement over time regardless of talent ceiling. 

 

I think the poor assistant coach hires can be partially linked to the fact that Bradley had zero head coaching experience coming into this job. There obviously a LOT of other aspects of Bradley's coaching (where he seems to be failing) that can also be attributed to his lack of HC experience as well. - such as poor clock management. 

 

Through 21 Games, Bradley is now 4-17. The only other successful head coach over the last 25 years that I can remember starting out this bad was Jimmy Johnson of Dallas who started out at 4-22. But at least with his team, they indeed were showing improvement in their 2nd year. Also, while their offense was still struggling in the 2nd year, at least their defense was showing clear signs of ascension. They only gave up around 300 points for that entire season after giving up close to 400 the previous year. 

 

The Jags offense and defense overall continues to be bad. Bottom of the league bad. Last week seemed to be more the result of playing safe defense as opposed to actual improvement. When they needed a stop in the 4th Q on Pitts last drive - they couldn't do it. Didn't Pitt keep the ball for what seemed like the final 7 and a half minutes of the game to run out the clock???

 

 

I'm very close to the point where I advise the owner to pretty much pull the plug on the head coach at seasons end. 

 

 

The most important thing that this staff MUST not mess up is the QB- Bortles, and IMO, it appears they are doing just that. 

 

Look at Bortles play in preseason, and then the 3 games this season. He's clearly regressing. His YPA went from consistently in the 9's or above in all preseason games as well as the 2nd half of the Indy game, to 7.8 two weeks ago to Gabbert-like 5.3 last week. You can't tell me that Bortles this past Sunday is resembling ANYTHING like the gunslinger that we saw in his first 5 appearances. 

 

IMO, why this is happening is because the coaching staff is overreacting to the INT's he's throwing and shortening the pass play routes which isn't doing anything but hurting him. 

 

That pick 6 against the Steelers last week was on Fisch just as much as it was on Blake. What do you expect to happen when every pass play you call is a shorter route???? Eventually the defense is going to jump one of them and you get what happened. 

 

They threw one stinking deep pass attempt last week for the ENTIRE game and it was picked off, so then Fisch totally abandoned it. Thats not how you help a young QB. They should be trying about one deep pass every quarter, just to keep the defense honest. Otherwise, all you are doing is helping makie the defenses life easier and hurting the development of your own QB. I remember Andy Reid would take a deep shot downfield with McNabb just about every 8-10 attempts (on average) - to keep the defense from bunching up and playing the game in a 10-15 yard box. 

 

 

If things don't improve drastically, and soon, I am hoping Khan is investigating the availability of a proven winner like Jim Harbaugh at seasons end. Harbaugh has head coaching experience, has been susccessful and seems to get the most out of his QB's. (Alex Smith) and even Kap. 

Mmm.  Okay.

 

FYI - Bortles took the blame for checking out of that play that ended in a pick 6. 

Honestly we need a veteran WR to replace Brown.  We have Shorts, but he's hardly a Vet.  Even having Marcedes Lewis back would probably help some.  

There's no way we get Harbaugh... ha, so, you might want to let that one go

Quote:Honestly we need a veteran WR to replace Brown.  We have Shorts, but he's hardly a Vet.  Even having Marcedes Lewis back would probably help some.  

 

Shorts was a veteran with a full year in the system.  It would be nice to have him back