Now that we are improving and moving down the draft board, it is becoming less likely we'll get Bridgewater, Clowney or even Barr. With 2 more wins (quite possible), we could move out of the top 7 if other bottom tiered teams continue to flounder. If that is the case, I believe Caldwell will go BAP again. One guy in that range is Sammy Watkins. I may be on an island here, but I would be in favor of picking up this guy. NFL Draft Scout.com says "he is quick, strong and possessing the explosive speed to burn corners who challenge him in bump and run coverage. Watkins explodes off the line of scrimmage and out of his breaks, easily separating from defenders. Most impressive, however, is the fluidity with which he catches the ball and gets upfield. There, his vision and maneuverability make him a threat to score from anywhere." In my humble opinion, even if Blackmon comes back (and stays back), we need a burner. A deep threat that the safety must respect. Teams would think twice about putting 8 or even 9 in the box against us. It would also open up things for Blackmon who is an effective possession receiver who can break tackles. Shorts would be matched up favorably as well. I've been seeing 8 in the box for far too long and I've realized that Blackmon isn't the kind of receiver that commands respect to stretch the field. Of course, if we lose out the rest of the way, I'd like Clowney or Barr but if we move up to 7 or above, I'd be happy to get him and, with the depth of the QB class, we may get a good one in the 2nd round. Your thoughts?
I would not be too upset with Watkins, unless we passed on Bridgewater, Clowney, or Barr to take him.
Lol dude that was a whole lot of explaining for one of the most well known prospects in the draft. We know very well who he is and what he excels at.
Quote:Lol dude that was a whole lot of explaining for one of the most well known prospects in the draft. We know very well who he is and what he excels at.
Pardon me.....not everyone is as knowledgable as you are when it comes to college football
I like Sammy, but I feel a WR this early in the 1st is a luxury we can't afford to take. I feel we would improve better if we take either QB or a defensive linesman
Quote:I like Sammy, but I feel a WR this early in the 1st is a luxury we can't afford to take. I feel we would improve better if we take either QB or a defensive linesman
This. A functional quarterback will help make the current corps of receivers that much better.
Quote:I like Sammy, but I feel a WR this early in the 1st is a luxury we can't afford to take. I feel we would improve better if we take either QB or a defensive linesman
Before we get the QB, let's get him some protection and weapons. If we drop to #7, do we pick any QB? Or do we go BAP? I think any new QB (and even Henne) would love to have Watson, Blackmon, Shorts and Saunders at his disposal. If we pick #1 or #2, I can see going QB. Whatever, I trust Dave will get us somebody good.
Shorts and Blackmon with Sanders are more than enough weapons for a QB to be successful. The QB makes the receiver. Sheesh, Glennon is making TIQUON FREAKING UNDERWOOD look somewhat decent and he was down right awful while here. If Blackmon is back then that is our strongest area. We need help pretty much everwhere else. I trust Caldwell also but look at our defense and offense. We can get by with better QB play with out current receivers. Heck we can get by with our current QB with those three, but WR is just a spot I don't see us building in the first. If we take any type of pass catcher in the first it should be TE
Quote:Shorts and Blackmon with Sanders are more than enough weapons for a QB to be successful. The QB makes the receiver. Sheesh, Glennon is making TIQUON FREAKING UNDERWOOD look somewhat decent and he was down right awful while here. If Blackmon is back then that is our strongest area. We need help pretty much everwhere else. I trust Caldwell also but look at our defense and offense. We can get by with better QB play with out current receivers. Heck we can get by with our current QB with those three, but WR is just a spot I don't see us building in the first. If we take any type of pass catcher in the first it should be TE
Sometimes the receiver can make the quarterback. Josh Gordon made Weeden look pretty good. Without Gordon, we woulda killed them
Quote:Now that we are improving and moving down the draft board, it is becoming less likely we'll get Bridgewater, Clowney or even Barr. With 2 more wins (quite possible), we could move out of the top 7 if other bottom tiered teams continue to flounder. If that is the case, I believe Caldwell will go BAP again. One guy in that range is Sammy Watkins. I may be on an island here, but I would be in favor of picking up this guy. NFL Draft Scout.com says "he is quick, strong and possessing the explosive speed to burn corners who challenge him in bump and run coverage. Watkins explodes off the line of scrimmage and out of his breaks, easily separating from defenders. Most impressive, however, is the fluidity with which he catches the ball and gets upfield. There, his vision and maneuverability make him a threat to score from anywhere." In my humble opinion, even if Blackmon comes back (and stays back), we need a burner. A deep threat that the safety must respect. Teams would think twice about putting 8 or even 9 in the box against us. It would also open up things for Blackmon who is an effective possession receiver who can break tackles. Shorts would be matched up favorably as well. I've been seeing 8 in the box for far too long and I've realized that Blackmon isn't the kind of receiver that commands respect to stretch the field. Of course, if we lose out the rest of the way, I'd like Clowney or Barr but if we move up to 7 or above, I'd be happy to get him and, with the depth of the QB class, we may get a good one in the 2nd round. Your thoughts?
Based on what little I know, I suggest he is a track guy suited in a football uniform. Routes? Hands?
The best WR in college football that I've seen this year is Texas A&M's Mike Evans. I have seen a lot of video on others.
Quote:Shorts and Blackmon with Sanders are more than enough weapons for a QB to be successful. The QB makes the receiver. Sheesh, Glennon is making TIQUON FREAKING UNDERWOOD look somewhat decent and he was down right awful while here. If Blackmon is back then that is our strongest area. We need help pretty much everwhere else. I trust Caldwell also but look at our defense and offense. We can get by with better QB play with out current receivers. Heck we can get by with our current QB with those three, but WR is just a spot I don't see us building in the first. If we take any type of pass catcher in the first it should be TE
Whatever player is the best available according to consensus of NFL scouting grades, take him. If you simply allow the scouting department with the absolute worst track record in the NFL over the past ten years to tell you who to pick, you're toast.
It could be likely that a WR like Mike Evans is the best available regardless of position. You still take him and throw him into your mix at WR.
Drafting is simple. Thinking complicates it. Pick the best football players regardless of what position they play each and every time you pick.
Receiver is the lowest priority outside of kicker/punter. We could use a TE though. We need a QB, a passrusher, better front 7, better OL, more competition in secondary wouldn't hurt (Gordon), a featureback, then we can address receiver. Throw TE above WR somewhere in that mix. If Blackmon gets permanently suspended then WR becomes a much bigger need, but I'm hoping he will figure it out after the third or fourth time? ...
Quote:Receiver is the lowest priority outside of kicker/punter. We could use a TE though. We need a QB, a passrusher, better front 7, better OL, more competition in secondary wouldn't hurt (Gordon), a featureback, then we can address receiver. Throw TE above WR somewhere in that mix. If Blackmon gets permanently suspended then WR becomes a much bigger need, but I'm hoping he will figure it out after the third or fourth time? ...
Naw, just keep stacking up the best football players we can possibly draft. Even if we need a quarterback why draft a less talented one when we are in a position to draft a much more talented offensive tackle of defensive tackle?
So what if we have a pile of the best WRs. You know what? If we've got 'em somebody else doesn't and they are likely willing to make a trade.
Players are assets. Draft the best football players regardless of their position and you have lots and lots of assets.
Quote:Lol dude that was a whole lot of explaining for one of the most well known prospects in the draft. We know very well who he is and what he excels at.
Who cares honestly? Some of you guys like to flex your "football knowledge" muscles, don't you?
Quote:Who cares honestly? Some of you guys like to flex your "football knowledge" muscles, don't you?
Really. It's my opinion and I made my case for it. Nobody's talking about him but he could be BAP when our pick comes up. I do like Evans but he isn't as elusive or as fast as Watkins. He's a taller Blackmon. We need the speed guy. This WILL open up the offense. Look what happened to Cleveland's offense when they lost their speed guy. And Weeden sucks way worse than Henne any day. He's so bad that the team doesn't want to introduce the offense at the beginning of home games so he doesn't get booed. When Gordon came back, he looked like Joe Freakin' Namath
Quote:Who cares honestly? Some of you guys like to flex your "football knowledge" muscles, don't you?
I just thought it was funny that he typed up nearly 300 words in a very awkward, very detailed wall of text breakdown of one of the most well known guys to begin with.
Needs to be more concise, break it up some, and format it to make it significantly easier to read. That was my point.
One other thing. (-: He's in the Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Green speed range. Tell me you don't think having one of those guys wouldn't help our offense immensely even with a mediocre QB. Look what happened to the Falcons after Julio went down. Defenses don't worry about the long ball. The underneath routes get clogged along with the running lanes.
Quote:Based on what little I know, I suggest he is a track guy suited in a football uniform. Routes? Hands?
The best WR in college football that I've seen this year is Texas A&M's Mike Evans. I have seen a lot of video on others.
He runs terrible routes and takes full advantange of Manziel running around until he is open downfield for a jump ball. He is easily bodied (my term for being hit easily and moved around once hit or during a catch. For example Megatron is rarely bodied on a catch-hit whereas Shorts is routinely rocked hard) despite his size and doesnt have elite or even amazing hands in terms of college receivers.
Watkins is 2x the receiver he is and so is Blackmon and its not close. Not trying to attack you as a poster but Evans isnt very good and im having trouble seeing why people think otherwise.
Personally i agree with haterade. We need way more than WR and if anything in the pass catching department it needs to be a big time seam stretch TE in the mold of Cameron Jordan.
Quote:I just thought it was funny that he typed up nearly 300 words in a very awkward, very detailed wall of text breakdown of one of the most well known guys to begin with.
Needs to be more concise, break it up some, and format it to make it significantly easier to read. That was my point.
The board isnt about format , grammar or whether or not you like the information and how its presented. His post while lengthy was what he felt was needed to get his point across and present a player to the board. You could argue that he needed the entire post to do so and that there are others who gained information from his post.
Your post on the other hand served no purpose and added nothing football related to a football post. No argument could be made that you post was needed or warranted.
Quote:I just thought it was funny that he typed up nearly 300 words in a very awkward, very detailed wall of text breakdown of one of the most well known guys to begin with.
Needs to be more concise, break it up some, and format it to make it significantly easier to read. That was my point.
Quote:I just thought it was funny that he typed up nearly 300 words in a very awkward, very detailed wall of text breakdown of one of the most well known guys to begin with.
Needs to be more concise, break it up some, and format it to make it significantly easier to read. That was my point.
I don't get it. It's a discussion board. I share my ideas. I'm assuming that most people here can read pretty well. Do you not read books? Or are they not formatted in a way to make them easier to read. Do I need to double space for you? Why am I even wasting my time about a non-football comment here. Maybe because I'm new here. It's this type of crap that will eventually lead to my account deletion.