(10-04-2021, 08:15 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 08:08 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, that’s an aspect of this situation that does bother me.
However, Vic went on to depict a scenario which showed exactly why Coughlin wore out his welcome here and in NY. Two sides of a bad coin.
The bar in question is at a restaurant he owns, “Urban’s Chophouse”.
Let me translate the rest of your post:
Other people: They’re wrong.
Me: I’m right.
First, it goes without saying that I'm right. Second, what does him owning the bar have to do with his displayed lack of dedication to the craft?
Having a drink in your own business is displaying a lack of dedication? Okay.
It explains his presence in the bar. He didn’t stay in Ohio to go bar hopping, he was at a business he owns. He drinks in a bar he owns, others drink in sanctimonious armchairs.
(10-04-2021, 06:42 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 10:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] Maybe you should get back to white knighting your man crush instead of trying to keep up with this conversation, like Urbz you're in way over your head.
Nobody's saying the guy's a white knight. They're recognizing a likely setup when it's happened. There are others who's personal animosity won't let them acknowledge there's a lot to be suspicious about in that short video.
There's plenty to criticize right now about his performance as a HC without resorting to over the top righteous indignation.
Some are going out of their way to excuse Urban's follies and defending him beyond the "wait and see" position when he's clearly in the wrong. That's the white knighting that's going on. No one really believes Meyer is a good guy, they just didn't realize he's also utterly shameless and completely lacking in self-awareness and so they have to spin it to cover for him.This whole situation is just another thing on the pile of things that could and should have been avoided by a man in his circumstances.
(10-04-2021, 08:29 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 08:15 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]First, it goes without saying that I'm right. Second, what does him owning the bar have to do with his displayed lack of dedication to the craft?
Having a drink in your own business is displaying a lack of dedication? Okay.
It explains his presence in the bar. He didn’t stay in Ohio to go bar hopping, he was at a business he owns. He drinks in a bar he owns, others drink in sanctimonious armchairs.
It certainly looks like he has priorities that compete with his 0-4 football team. You have to admit this whole affair makes him and our organization look bad. Can't you even be like "man I wish he would stop doing some of this stuff."? You're just giving it the "everthing is fine" routine?
(10-04-2021, 08:29 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 08:15 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]First, it goes without saying that I'm right. Second, what does him owning the bar have to do with his displayed lack of dedication to the craft?
Having a drink in your own business is displaying a lack of dedication? Okay.
It explains his presence in the bar. He didn’t stay in Ohio to go bar hopping, he was at a business he owns. He drinks in a bar he owns, others drink in sanctimonious armchairs.
To paraphrase:
Me: "why is that guy hiding off at a bar instead of at the hospital with his wife? Shouldn't he be doing his best to support her and help her through this rough time?"
You: "he owns the bar"
Me: "what does that have to do with anything? This is about his lack of dedication to her, why would it matter whether he owns the bar or not?"
You: "so now having a drink is a lack of dedication?"
It's not about what he did, it's about what he didn't and doesn't do. He goes to a bar instead of focusing on success as an NFL head coach. It doesn't matter if he owns the bar, and it isn't that having a drink at a bar means anything in particular itself. Focusing on what he was doing in the specific is how you show you don't understand what anyone is talking about. It's not about what he specifically did (for me, anyway), it's about what he doesn't do, which would be flying home with the team and getting back to work on being successful.
(10-04-2021, 08:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 08:29 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Having a drink in your own business is displaying a lack of dedication? Okay.
It explains his presence in the bar. He didn’t stay in Ohio to go bar hopping, he was at a business he owns. He drinks in a bar he owns, others drink in sanctimonious armchairs.
It certainly looks like he has priorities that compete with his 0-4 football team. You have to admit this whole affair makes him and our organization look bad. Can't you even be like "man I wish he would stop doing some of this stuff."? You're just giving it the "everthing is fine" routine?
I’ve never denied this looks bad. It does indeed, but apparently my view is considered forgiving because it isn’t biased with seething Meyer hate.
“Stop doing some of this stuff” implies there are other instances. Did I miss something?
(10-04-2021, 06:27 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 01:59 AM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]lol....you dont think its inappropriate for a married man to let another woman grind on him? He could've stopped her, but didn't. If thats not inappropriate.......
No. Even Urban Meyer's wife didn't object to it. The guy is a celebrity and he was at his own restaurant. The whole thing was a total setup by some tramp trying to get 15 minutes of fame.
How would you know his wife didn't object? Have you spoken with her?
His social status, ownership of the business and the possibility of a setup are all irrelevant. The point is he could have and should have handled the situation differently. If he can't discipline himself, how do you expect him to discipline the team?
(10-04-2021, 09:03 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 08:29 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Having a drink in your own business is displaying a lack of dedication? Okay.
It explains his presence in the bar. He didn’t stay in Ohio to go bar hopping, he was at a business he owns. He drinks in a bar he owns, others drink in sanctimonious armchairs.
To paraphrase:
Me: "why is that guy hiding off at a bar instead of at the hospital with his wife? Shouldn't he be doing his best to support her and help her through this rough time?"
You: "he owns the bar"
Me: "what does that have to do with anything? This is about his lack of dedication to her, why would it matter whether he owns the bar or not?"
You: "so now having a drink is a lack of dedication?"
It's not about what he did, it's about what he didn't and doesn't do. He goes to a bar instead of focusing on success as an NFL head coach. It doesn't matter if he owns the bar, and it isn't that having a drink at a bar means anything in particular itself. Focusing on what he was doing in the specific is how you show you don't understand what anyone is talking about. It's not about what he specifically did (for me, anyway), it's about what he doesn't do, which would be flying home with the team and getting back to work on being successful.
Now losing team equals hospitalized wife? False equivalents are a bad tactic.
Look, you hate Urban Meyer, I get it. Nothing he does will ever completely satisfy you and anything he does wrong will be amplified by your hate. That’s where we are. We’ll just leave it at that.
(10-04-2021, 09:11 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 09:03 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]To paraphrase:
Me: "why is that guy hiding off at a bar instead of at the hospital with his wife? Shouldn't he be doing his best to support her and help her through this rough time?"
You: "he owns the bar"
Me: "what does that have to do with anything? This is about his lack of dedication to her, why would it matter whether he owns the bar or not?"
You: "so now having a drink is a lack of dedication?"
It's not about what he did, it's about what he didn't and doesn't do. He goes to a bar instead of focusing on success as an NFL head coach. It doesn't matter if he owns the bar, and it isn't that having a drink at a bar means anything in particular itself. Focusing on what he was doing in the specific is how you show you don't understand what anyone is talking about. It's not about what he specifically did (for me, anyway), it's about what he doesn't do, which would be flying home with the team and getting back to work on being successful.
Now losing team equals hospitalized wife? False equivalents are a bad tactic.
Look, you hate Urban Meyer, I get it. Nothing he does will ever completely satisfy you and anything he does wrong will be amplified by your hate. That’s where we are. We’ll just leave it at that.
A losing team is something he could dedicate his attention to, and something great coaches would dedicate their attention to, like a hospitalized wife.
But, sure, it's just a bunch of people hate the guy and are being irrational.
(10-04-2021, 09:28 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 09:11 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Now losing team equals hospitalized wife? False equivalents are a bad tactic.
Look, you hate Urban Meyer, I get it. Nothing he does will ever completely satisfy you and anything he does wrong will be amplified by your hate. That’s where we are. We’ll just leave it at that.
A losing team is something he could dedicate his attention to, and something great coaches would dedicate their attention to, like a hospitalized wife.
But, sure, it's just a bunch of people hate the guy and are being irrational.
See? Was that so difficult to understand?
(10-03-2021, 12:34 AM)TearExtractor Wrote: [ -> ]I love watching the same low iq crew jump and claw at anything they can to try and attack this man.
Is this how you want your coach trying to improve?
Of all the places to get boozed up, why there?
Would you have the same opinion of posters if it were TLaw at the club instead?
(10-03-2021, 02:43 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Lol he's wearing an ohio shirt, is this even recent? also who cares?
https://i.gyazo.com/9078010166b7aff3d18b...ab9735.png
LOL.
this just in, when you move out of state you have to purge everything associated with your former home.
BRB, cleaning out my closet.
(10-03-2021, 07:50 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]This very bad team has shown much improvement in its first four games. Why are some of you calling for his head? I don’t get it.
Not calling for his head, but also not going to deny that this may be writing on the wall. I get that they have ten days to prepare for the next game, take a day off, cool.
I get that he felt the need to blow off some steam, or visit an old friend (no idea if he has ties to the club), or got dragged along by whoever he was with, but this was a bad choice. Plenty of other ways to blow off steam that don't get you in the headlines.
(10-03-2021, 10:22 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 09:53 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]I'm watching the video and looking at the pictures and I seen nothing wrong. Lots of people jumping to conclusions and simply want to see the Jags and Urban Meyer fail. Pathetic.
Some of us don't want to see him fail.
But -- We've unfortunately been watching that happen since March.
very this.
He's like a kid venturing into young adulthood. Full of confidence, yet continually making questionable decisions, and often not understanding when others make a big deal about those choices.
(10-03-2021, 02:03 PM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 09:30 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]If there could be any belief that urban were on the level of those guys then this sort of thing could be laughed off as him going to a bar after a late night of working his [BLEEP] off at the stadium.
However, this stuff came out pretty early in the evening, and he's not on those guys' level. Clearly he's not busting his [BLEEP] on film study and game planning until midnight then getting a night cap before he heads back to the stadium to sleep in his office. He's just out living it up because he's not actually a great football coach.
Khan hiring him reminds me of the fetish of certain voters to think it's better to put people in charge who have no experience in the field.
The good news is the Jags job will still likely be coveted by great GM candidates for at least a few more seasons since the hard part that usually causes guys to fail (finding a QB) is already done. Khan could bring a guy in and let him fire urban in just a few months, if he's smart.
Hopefully Khan learned something from keeping the previous clown shows around for years too long.
Well I am no fan or hater of Urban Meyer (barely knew who he was when he was hired) I would say that he's done better than Gus for sure, the team feels like it fights. I won't say that in every instance the inexperienced guy is better but often times they are brought in because they can get the experience but they have something the experienced guy doesn't have and never will. The NFL is filled with inexperienced guys taking the reigns and doing good. Sometimes you go with the inexperienced guy over the guy who has 48 years of experience because the guy with 48 years will run your team into the ground.
...A Jags fan from Michigan claiming they had no idea who Urbz was. I have now heard everything
(10-03-2021, 02:40 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 10:22 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Some of us don't want to see him fail.
But -- We've unfortunately been watching that happen since March.
we started playing games in march...oh what he's a failure because he didn't draft the players YOU wanted... gtfoh
traded Josh Oliver for a hamburger on a soggy bun.
hired an S&C coach who was his buddy, who just happened to be mid-litigation to resolve allegations of racist action at his last job
expressed discontent over the structure of free agency/differences with college game
I'm sure there's more, but this was all before the darft, so get your own self tfoh
why does this require factions? Can we as a fanbase not just be critical of the coach's discernment?
(10-04-2021, 09:41 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 07:50 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]This very bad team has shown much improvement in its first four games. Why are some of you calling for his head? I don’t get it.
Not calling for his head, but also not going to deny that this may be writing on the wall. I get that they have ten days to prepare for the next game, take a day off, cool.
I get that he felt the need to blow off some steam, or visit an old friend (no idea if he has ties to the club), or got dragged along by whoever he was with, but this was a bad choice. Plenty of other ways to blow off steam that don't get you in the headlines.
Zac Taylor got the win Thursday night but I can almost guarantee you that he was back in the office the next day preparing for the Packers.
(10-03-2021, 03:30 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 03:00 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]If we were 4-0 none of y’all would be giving a flying [BLEEP] about this incident. If we were winning he could be caught standing over a dead body with a knife in his hands and y’all wouldn’t bat an eye. Winning fixes everything.
The way I look at it, this is between him and his wife. Who knows what kind of relationship they have. Their marriage ain’t none of our business.
And? The Jags aren’t 4-0. They’re 0-4 lol
Maybe instead of grinding college girls he should be grinding in the office to try and help this team earn a win.
Not going to deny the man time off. Sure, he's making a disgusting amount of scratch to do his job, but there is no way anyone should be expected to spend 24-7 busting their brains trying to find that one thing that is going to magically turn this team into a winner. (spoiler, that one thing probably isn't even there to be found)
If he needed a night off, take a night off. If he wanted a tasty beverage, go somewhere and enjoy a tasty beverage. You want to see a band, go see a band. If you end up somewhere that folks are invading your privacy, trying to grind on you, putting any manner of drinks laced with who knows what in front of you while doing any of those, you're either a willing participant or you need to relocate yourself immediately.
In an of itself, this has next to no impact on our current or future wins and losses. Spending 3 more hours a week in the film room might, but if that leads to burnout or exhaustion, it may be more detriment than help. All we can do is hope that this or other distractions are not a trend or sign of things to come, and that Urbz is wise enough to be able to know how much effort is needed without being too much to lead this team well.
(10-02-2021, 10:05 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]And the hits just keep onnnn comin'!
Shaking my head in dismay.
i not going to defend Myer but what a said world we live when individuals life revolves around how may likes they can get while they hide behind social media to video or post comments about friends or others.
the damage they cause is only now being reported with regard to sue asides and emotional problems in teens. There was a time when people minded there own business and had to confront a person face to face if they had issues with them. today spineless individuals can spread false lies and bully while they sit behind there computer and type away. I don't know how innocent or immoral what was videoed is, but I know every one has his or her moments that they look back on and regret. You only hope it is not all over social media posted by someone who should mind there own business.
(10-03-2021, 04:05 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 03:00 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]It's another notch on the long list of head scratchers that hes had since he was hired in January. This happened on Friday, 1 day after losing on prime time and going 0-4. Just not a good look all around.
And I'm sure his wife doesn't think it's a big nothing burger. I highly doubt she was very pleased to see some sweet young thing grinding on Urbs and him likely giving a little extra help with that hand of his.
So? Did you expect him to sit and mope? Life goes on.
You drama boys and all your Urban drama. It's hilarious.
I guess it would have been ok if he pulled a Cullen and got sauced up and made a Wendy's run in his birthday suit.
now THAT was hilarious.
Honestly?
Go home with the team, on the team flight, then when you got back home... fly right back to Ohio if that's what you want to do.
Or better yet buy a stake in a local place and have your fun there. At least it'd be near where he conducts football business. Now can a player who played at OSU opt to stay behind and drink? If so.... I still don't care... this is the Head Coach... it's about optics and at 0-4... the optics are you suck.
Especially since the players you cut are doing better than the players you retained. Almost like he can't spot NFL talent.
(10-04-2021, 10:22 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly?
Go home with the team, on the team flight, then when you got back home... fly right back to Ohio if that's what you want to do.
Or better yet buy a stake in a local place and have your fun there. At least it'd be near where he conducts football business. Now can a player who played at OSU opt to stay behind and drink? If so.... I still don't care... this is the Head Coach... it's about optics and at 0-4... the optics are you suck.
Especially since the players you cut are doing better than the players you retained. Almost like he can't spot NFL talent.
Thanks for making my point.