(10-05-2021, 11:43 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]This whole Meyer debacle is such a perfect #becausejaguar moment. Sad story is my little nephew who is is 8 now use to be such a huge Jaguar fan since he was 3. He jumped ship to the Seahawks and I asked him why. Kids are blunt. He said "because the Jaguars suck they almost always lose." The statement was so true there was nothing I could say.
Cool story bro.
(10-06-2021, 02:48 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 12:09 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Is that you, Urban?
Haha. No. If I was, I would be either trying to enjoy coaching my favorite team even though we are in this horrible losing streak that I mostly inherited, or I would be ignoring criticism from the penut gallery as I got ready to coach the next game to hopefully a win.
Wow, I bet you are fun at parties...
(10-06-2021, 04:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Couple of observations:
Shad Khan has never fired a coach mid-season. Some would say he holds onto bad hires for too long, others might say he gives failing coaches plenty of time to turn things around, but the fact remains- he holds onto people until they have thoroughly and utterly failed.
Even if Khan wanted to fire Meyer, and even if Meyer didn't want to be here any more, there's the question of how to get out of Meyer's contract. In most cases, coaches prefer to get fired, because it means they have to get paid, and owners would prefer coaches resign, because it would usually mean they are giving up their rights under the contract. There has been some speculation that since Khan wanted Meyer so much, Meyer might have gotten a contract that is very hard for Khan to get out of. Guarantees, no morals clause, things like that. It might cost Khan $50-$100 million to fire Meyer. I'm sure Khan's lawyers are trying to figure a way out of that contract.
I supported the hiring of Urban Meyer. As of now, it looks like I was wrong. Really, it's amazing how quickly this thing imploded. Four games! Wow.
Marrone replaced Gus in season but you are right that it was after he thoroughly failed. And if Khan gave Meyer a contract with no morals clause then he's a fool.
(10-06-2021, 07:44 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 04:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Couple of observations:
Shad Khan has never fired a coach mid-season. Some would say he holds onto bad hires for too long, others might say he gives failing coaches plenty of time to turn things around, but the fact remains- he holds onto people until they have thoroughly and utterly failed.
Even if Khan wanted to fire Meyer, and even if Meyer didn't want to be here any more, there's the question of how to get out of Meyer's contract. In most cases, coaches prefer to get fired, because it means they have to get paid, and owners would prefer coaches resign, because it would usually mean they are giving up their rights under the contract. There has been some speculation that since Khan wanted Meyer so much, Meyer might have gotten a contract that is very hard for Khan to get out of. Guarantees, no morals clause, things like that. It might cost Khan $50-$100 million to fire Meyer. I'm sure Khan's lawyers are trying to figure a way out of that contract.
I supported the hiring of Urban Meyer. As of now, it looks like I was wrong. Really, it's amazing how quickly this thing imploded. Four games! Wow.
Marrone replaced Gus in season but you are right that it was after he thoroughly failed. And if Khan gave Meyer a contract with no morals clause then he's a fool.
That's the speculation. But as I think about it, it's hard for me to imagine anyone saying they won't sign a contract if it has a morals clause.
(10-05-2021, 02:23 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 02:06 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]Grow some nuts soy boy.
Fake Internet tough guys are the best.
I've probably disclosed my lactose intolerance in the past. I commend squiddy on his excellent recall.
However, our tentacled friend missed the mark. While my body physically is unable to process milk, my brain is unable to enjoy any of the milk-adjacent substitutes. No soy, almond or coconut milks for me, thanks.
(10-05-2021, 02:56 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 02:53 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Shipped off the only talented receiving TE on the roster for peanuts before camp only to be scrambling in weeks 3 and 4 to find a serviceable receiving option at TE.
Completely squandered literally the only sure-fire offensive weapon on the team for 2 weeks of reg season hanging his rookie QB out to dry in the process.
The list has gotten really long in a relatively short period of time. Feels like he's in over his head.
Edited to add point 1.
Him resigning now would be the best option for all parties.
...cept him and Shells
Money be green, bud
It’s a horrible look and people Can go back n fourth all day but the only thing that matters is what the players in the Locker room think to it, hopefully there are some good leaders in the dressing room.
If I’m Meyer or Kahn though I’m giving Gilmore what ever he asks for today to make a new story get a front line player and get players in the locker room pumped. But saying all that he’ll end up at a contender
(10-05-2021, 10:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 10:41 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Khan spent 2 off-seasons setting up the job for Meyer. He got the GM for him, cleared cap space, and kept a lame duck coach and GM in place so they would get a top 2 pick. The entire thing was put in place before they decided to keep those 2.
He isn't firing him unless he has too because of outside pressure. His promises are empty and hollow, he never wants to admit he made a bad decision so he keeps pouring money into problems and hoping it fills the hole.
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Or Khan is fed up with being made a fool of and ready to take more decisive action on the latest chump to make a fool of him.
We'll see...
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Will Kahn's ego ever allow him to look in the mirror and admit he's part of the problem?
(10-05-2021, 10:53 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Just start winning games and this will all be forgotten
Well if that's the case then no one is going to forget this.
(10-06-2021, 02:48 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 12:09 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Is that you, Urban?
Haha. No. If I was, I would be either trying to enjoy coaching my favorite team even though we are in this horrible losing streak that I mostly inherited, or I would be ignoring criticism from the penut gallery as I got ready to coach the next game to hopefully a win.
Yea.... Except you didn't even fly home with your "favorite team" but instead chose to go out and touch some college girls.
(10-06-2021, 02:48 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 12:09 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Is that you, Urban?
Haha. No. If I was, I would be either trying to enjoy coaching my favorite team even though we are in this horrible losing streak that I mostly inherited, or I would be ignoring criticism from the penut gallery as I got ready to coach the next game to hopefully a win.
He indicated preparing his team for the Titans is not his responsibility.
(10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)ShivanWurm Wrote: [ -> ]And we chose Urban over the Kansas City OC coordinator why?
Oh right. golf buddies.
....did we even interview Bienemy?
I know for sure we didn't even talk to Daboll.
Neither of them were the shiny, and that seems to be Shad's preference.
(10-05-2021, 10:03 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 10:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, what makes you believe that?
he just went on his radio show and was asked how he was getting the team ready for the tacks and he said its not his job to get them ready its the players and vets job to take ownership and get themselves ready. they why we paying u money urbs, i think it isnt thin ice i think the ice is broken and by morning he will have fallen through
I can understand this mindset with respect to motivation, and maybe that alone. Players shouldn't need a rah-rah motivational speech to want to hit the field and win. If they go out there and drag their rear, there's plenty of other guys out there willing to bust their butts and make NFL money.
His job is to lead. His job is to plan strategy to put his players in best position to succeed. His job is to be there encouraging and teaching along the way to that success. His job is to foster growth and development.
I dunno if he clarified his statement in any way, but as a one-off statement, I ain't grabbin a pitchfork over that one.
Sometimes I wonder if Urban is doing this on purpose so he can get fired and take the USC job?
(10-05-2021, 10:15 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 10:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Meyers statements AFTER he got his [BLEEP] chewed by Khan come off like a guy that knows he's on thin ice and is setting the table for departure IMO.
Khan is all bark and no bite. Meyer may have gotten yelled at, but he knows he has a long leash. Khan isn't gonna fire him. Just look how long it took for him to finally get rid of Marrone and Caldwell after numerous screw ups. Hiring Meyer was all Khan's doing. If he fires him for this, he's gonna have to admit he made a massive mistake. He's not gonna do that yet. He's gonna give Meyer a long time to turn things around and make him look like a genius. I don't see that ever happening though. I believe one day, Khan's gonna have to admit this was a bad hire. I just don't believe it will be anytime soon.
Very this.
Unless there is uprising within the locker room or bigger scandal comes to light, nothing is happening over this matter.
It will be interesting to see what happens between now and January, though. If he stays out of the news and the team is improving, he's probably safe.
(10-06-2021, 08:45 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)ShivanWurm Wrote: [ -> ]And we chose Urban over the Kansas City OC coordinator why?
Oh right. golf buddies.
....did we even interview Bienemy?
I know for sure we didn't even talk to Daboll.
Neither of them were the shiny, and that seems to be Shad's preference.
Bienemy has had his own issues with the law.
(10-06-2021, 09:01 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes I wonder if Urban is doing this on purpose so he can get fired and take the USC job?
Doesn't seem like a good look for a married man to be chasing college kids if he is trying to get a job with a college program. Especially one that has already had issues with Steve Sarkisian's partying.
(10-05-2021, 11:55 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Sheep. Let's jump in and pile on to a social media beat down of a person who has apologized. Torch on!
...is it any less sheepy to assume that an apology is going to completely reverse the trend of overconfidence and lack of discernment we've seen since the dude was hired?
I don't really see a pile-on going on. Folks are discussing why they have issue with his actions, or which actions they disagree with, and what future ramifications they may have.
I mean if that's torching, I'd advise you to avoid the politics thread.
(10-06-2021, 09:07 AM)Tank Commander Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 08:45 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]....did we even interview Bienemy?
I know for sure we didn't even talk to Daboll.
Neither of them were the shiny, and that seems to be Shad's preference.
Bienemy has had his own issues with the law.
(10-06-2021, 09:01 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes I wonder if Urban is doing this on purpose so he can get fired and take the USC job?
Doesn't seem like a good look for a married man to be chasing college kids if he is trying to get a job with a college program. Especially one that has already had issues with Steve Sarkisian's partying.
Coaches have done worse and still got jobs.
(10-06-2021, 09:07 AM)Tank Commander Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 08:45 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]....did we even interview Bienemy?
I know for sure we didn't even talk to Daboll.
Neither of them were the shiny, and that seems to be Shad's preference.
Bienemy has had his own issues with the law.
That didn't answer my question. I already know Bienemy's backstory.
I just checked and yes, we did interview Bienemy on Jan 6. Whether or not there was serious consideration to hire him is left to speculation.
(10-06-2021, 08:45 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)ShivanWurm Wrote: [ -> ]And we chose Urban over the Kansas City OC coordinator why?
Oh right. golf buddies.
....did we even interview Bienemy?
I know for sure we didn't even talk to Daboll.
Neither of them were the shiny, and that seems to be Shad's preference.
This was the guy I wanted. I can't believe we didn't even interview him.
(10-06-2021, 08:56 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 10:03 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]he just went on his radio show and was asked how he was getting the team ready for the tacks and he said its not his job to get them ready its the players and vets job to take ownership and get themselves ready. they why we paying u money urbs, i think it isnt thin ice i think the ice is broken and by morning he will have fallen through
I can understand this mindset with respect to motivation, and maybe that alone. Players shouldn't need a rah-rah motivational speech to want to hit the field and win. If they go out there and drag their rear, there's plenty of other guys out there willing to bust their butts and make NFL money.
His job is to lead. His job is to plan strategy to put his players in best position to succeed. His job is to be there encouraging and teaching along the way to that success. His job is to foster growth and development.
I dunno if he clarified his statement in any way, but as a one-off statement, I ain't grabbin a pitchfork over that one.
This is his main job. How can he lead grown men when he can't even control himself in public? How can he get players to buy into his system when he can't even keep himself from embarrassing the team?
(10-06-2021, 09:07 AM)Tank Commander Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 08:45 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]....did we even interview Bienemy?
I know for sure we didn't even talk to Daboll.
Neither of them were the shiny, and that seems to be Shad's preference.
Bienemy has had his own issues with the law.
(10-06-2021, 09:01 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes I wonder if Urban is doing this on purpose so he can get fired and take the USC job?
Doesn't seem like a good look for a married man to be chasing college kids if he is trying to get a job with a college program. Especially one that has already had issues with Steve Sarkisian's partying.
Yeah, like 20 years ago...
(10-06-2021, 09:10 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]...is it any less sheepy to assume that an apology is going to completely reverse the trend of overconfidence and lack of discernment we've seen since the dude was hired?
And let's be real it's been going on WAY before he was hired. Those of us who were vehemently against the hire before it happened brought this type of junk up. Quitting any time the times got tough. Letting the inmates run the asylum at Florida. The Zach Smith domestic assault cover up. Literally hanging a 'treat women with respect' sign up at OSU after the Smith scandal. Sure looks like he was treating those women respectfully this weekend.
If any of this surprises anyone it was purely because they pulled the wool over their eyes to begin with.
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