It's looking like the Daytona option during stadium renovations is picking up steam. Lamping said he's speaking with some Daytona representatives today.
Lamping says the 4 year deal would entail 2 years of fans climbing temporary steps installed on scaffolding because the ramps will be gone.
He also describes the 4 year construction cycle as "Start, stop; start, stop; start, stop; start stop". He's doing his best to make the 4 year deal seem as unappealing as possible. I agree. Do it and get it over with.
(06-13-2023, 07:27 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2023, 12:58 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]At the end of the day, whether it's the 2 year deal or the 4 year, once it's approved and they break ground, we know damn well the Jags will stay in Jax long term. Just have to get it approved one way or another.
Agreed. I’m really concerned about getting funding approved by the voters. It’s going to require a good sales campaign. Reading social media and comments on news stories and opinion polls, it seems early opinions are running at least 2 to 1 against.
If the stadium deal doesn’t get done, the Jags will relocate. If it does, they stay. Pretty simple.
In my experience, negative views and opinions and people outnumber positive on the internet 2 to 1.
Online social media apps and comment sections and message boards usually represent like 1%(purposefully being hyperbolic here) of actual people lol
(06-12-2023, 02:21 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2023, 01:40 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I don't live in Jax so where they play doesn't matter much to me but... 4 year plan? So 4 years of playing at a different site? Yikes.... that seems insanely long for local fans. Although I suppose if they play well it'll make it all more palatable
2 year plan is play outside of the stadium, 4 year plan is playing in the stadium while the repairs happen
Oh.... if that's the case, if I were a hometown sth fan, I'd prefer the 4 year deal probably. Work on it as much in the off season, do minimal stuff in season deal with a little "pardon our progress" mess.... you get to see it built up around you as the team grows into hopefully a SB contender.
That's my 2 cents that doesn't matter cuz I don't live there much less pay the taxes.
(06-13-2023, 12:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Just to give folks and idea of the feasibility, here is what a football field would look like between the main grandstand and the champions club area of the speedway.
(yellow area)
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Yikes....
That does not seem ideal for anyone. Obviously they'd add temp seats somewhere.... but man what an unenjoyable experience that looks like
(06-15-2023, 11:50 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2023, 12:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Just to give folks and idea of the feasibility, here is what a football field would look like between the main grandstand and the champions club area of the speedway.
(yellow area)
Yikes....
That does not seem ideal for anyone. Obviously they'd add temp seats somewhere.... but man what an unenjoyable experience that looks like
Not if they run a NASCAR race at the same time. Yeeeehawww!
A NASCAR race, Jags Game, and Monster Jam going on all at the same time. Hellz yah!
(06-15-2023, 11:50 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2023, 12:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Just to give folks and idea of the feasibility, here is what a football field would look like between the main grandstand and the champions club area of the speedway.
(yellow area)
Yikes....
That does not seem ideal for anyone. Obviously they'd add temp seats somewhere.... but man what an unenjoyable experience that looks like
Well on 1010 yesterday they were talking about having to spend about 125 mill to get anyplace ready for NFL games. That is one reason Daytona reached out to the jags. While some of that cash will not be for stuff long term after the 2 years An LOT of it will be. They mentioned concessions...locker rooms etc. So I am thinking they will be talking to anyone entering that facility improvement sweepstakes. They need to take that money and invest it locally. I sure am not going to have our taxes finance Orlando, Florida Daytona etc facitiy improvements.That is a hard no. Yea, we need to shoot ourselves in the foot with the public
Is the NFL really going to allow the AFC championship to be played twice at the Daytona International Speedway?
(06-15-2023, 03:43 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Is the NFL really going to allow the AFC championship to be played twice at the Daytona International Speedway?
Only twice ?
If we end up in Daytona, perhaps we could then shift the London game to Talladega.
In all seriousness, I know everyone hates Orlando (including DeSantis lol), but the ideal place to play would be UCF as they have a really nice facility which has capacity for 48,000 and could be expanded to 63,000 from what I understand. UCF is also joining the Big 12 this year which could incentivize them to upgrade accordingly.
Just get it done. Two years. Play wherever you can and get it done. It's only like 20 or so games including preseason crap and minus any playoff games. fans will road trip. Our group sure will . JUST GET IT DONE.
It's like ripping off a band-aid. Don't prolong it, just do it as fast as possible & get it over with.
3 games in Gainesville, 3 games in Orlando and a game a piece in London and Daytona for two years. Not only do we become Florida’s team, but we are the team for the UK and Ireland.
(06-15-2023, 11:18 PM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]3 games in Gainesville, 3 games in Orlando and a game a piece in London and Daytona for two years. Not only do we become Florida’s team, but we are the team for the UK and Ireland.
I like that idea.
They should definitely let a NASCAR broadcast crew call the games from Daytona.
anyone know how the first community talk went?
(06-15-2023, 11:18 PM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]3 games in Gainesville, 3 games in Orlando and a game a piece in London and Daytona for two years. Not only do we become Florida’s team, but we are the team for the UK and Ireland.
Players like routine so that would be horrible. Also, I assume they will attempt to accommodate season ticket holders by offering as comparable seats as possible as they align to the selected stadium so this would be a logistics nightmare issuing comparable tickets to various stadiums.
This schedules appears to be more accommodating for Cirque du Soleil --- perhaps we can bring the elephants out for our halftime shows
I just find the hosting the games outside of Jacksonville thing odd. I honestly cannot remember any other North American major 4 sports team who has done that. If they were at a different facility it was still one in their many location/city. The further distance I can even remember is the NY Islanders who had matches at MSG And Barclay.
I mean the other consideration is that the other owners have to agree to anything the Jags do. And playing games in Gainesville, Daytona, Orlando or elsewhere could be a threat to Tampa Bay's or Miami's fanbase.
I just think the the offering of the 2 year plan was announced, to put into context how hard it would be to not do a full 4 year renovation plan because that is what they actually expect to be approved.
Also, I know someone was like they want to get into the big events sooner. I mean most of those events are yearly. They will still be there in 4 years. And it is too late even with the 2 year plan to be done for the new 12 team College Football Playoff, and the 2026 World Cup locations were already announced.
(06-16-2023, 04:59 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I just find the hosting the games outside of Jacksonville thing odd. I honestly cannot remember any other North American major 4 sports team who has done that. If they were at a different facility it was still one in their many location/city. The further distance I can even remember is the NY Islanders who had matches at MSG And Barclay.
I mean the other consideration is that the other owners have to agree to anything the Jags do. And playing games in Gainesville, Daytona, Orlando or elsewhere could be a threat to Tampa Bay's or Miami's fanbase.
I just think the the offering of the 2 year plan was announced, to put into context how hard it would be to not do a full 4 year renovation plan because that is what they actually expect to be approved.
Also, I know someone was like they want to get into the big events sooner. I mean most of those events are yearly. They will still be there in 4 years. And it is too late even with the 2 year plan to be done for the new 12 team College Football Playoff, and the 2026 World Cup locations were already announced.
Miami is the only place I can think of that took an existing stadium and put a roof on it. That's what we're trying to do. It did take them 3 or 4 years. But it was privately paid for and the stadium was always privately owned. It was a private business decision between slower and more expensive, or moving games and going faster. Doing these things with public money means each step of the decision making process will be questioned, and any opportunity to shave the bottom line will be favored.
(06-16-2023, 04:59 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I just find the hosting the games outside of Jacksonville thing odd. I honestly cannot remember any other North American major 4 sports team who has done that. If they were at a different facility it was still one in their many location/city. The further distance I can even remember is the NY Islanders who had matches at MSG And Barclay.
I mean the other consideration is that the other owners have to agree to anything the Jags do. And playing games in Gainesville, Daytona, Orlando or elsewhere could be a threat to Tampa Bay's or Miami's fanbase.
I just think the the offering of the 2 year plan was announced, to put into context how hard it would be to not do a full 4 year renovation plan because that is what they actually expect to be approved.
Also, I know someone was like they want to get into the big events sooner. I mean most of those events are yearly. They will still be there in 4 years. And it is too late even with the 2 year plan to be done for the new 12 team College Football Playoff, and the 2026 World Cup locations were already announced.
Bears played 1 season in Champaign. It's a little over 2 hours away.
Orlando is a little farther away, Daytona is a lot closer. The Bears were terrible that season and had a bunch of injuries and they were very good the season before. Routine is important and ensuring you have a NFL level field and facility are important. The Jags are risking messing with the play of the team.
I'm not sure how they can't build the stadium while still playing if they work around the clock for 6 months. Then switch to building the outside of the stadium stuff the other 6 months.
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(06-17-2023, 12:26 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2023, 04:59 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I just find the hosting the games outside of Jacksonville thing odd. I honestly cannot remember any other North American major 4 sports team who has done that. If they were at a different facility it was still one in their many location/city. The further distance I can even remember is the NY Islanders who had matches at MSG And Barclay.
I mean the other consideration is that the other owners have to agree to anything the Jags do. And playing games in Gainesville, Daytona, Orlando or elsewhere could be a threat to Tampa Bay's or Miami's fanbase.
I just think the the offering of the 2 year plan was announced, to put into context how hard it would be to not do a full 4 year renovation plan because that is what they actually expect to be approved.
Also, I know someone was like they want to get into the big events sooner. I mean most of those events are yearly. They will still be there in 4 years. And it is too late even with the 2 year plan to be done for the new 12 team College Football Playoff, and the 2026 World Cup locations were already announced.
Bears played 1 season in Champaign. It's a little over 2 hours away.
Orlando is a little farther away, Daytona is a lot closer. The Bears were terrible that season and had a bunch of injuries and they were very good the season before. Routine is important and ensuring you have a NFL level field and facility are important. The Jags are risking messing with the play of the team.
I'm not sure how they can't build the stadium while still playing if they work around the clock for 6 months. Then switch to building the outside of the stadium stuff the other 6 months.
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Only on HGTV do they manage to work around the clock and get construction done as fast as humanly possible, and that's due to the magic of editing. Seems like every real project I see they go really fast until all of a sudden they come to a dead halt for weeks because they're waiting for something. And with today's supply-chain issues, you can count on that kind of thing happening repeatedly. So if they tried to do the construction with a timeline of being ready for the next season, you'd be inviting disaster.
The project won's start until 2026 at the earliest. Everything I've read says they will have to spend more than $100 million on whatever stadium they select to play in while the downtown stadium is being renovated. I'm intrigued by the option of improving something here in town, like at UNF.
I only see two viable options. We either play at TIAA Bank during the renovations or we go to Gainesville. I can't see us effectively building a stadium in Jacksonville so we can play there for two years. There are high expectations in the NFL. You are going to need appropriate locker rooms, facilities, etc. The baseball park and Daytona speedway were not built for football. Unless UNF plans to start a football team, it doesn't make sense to do a huge expansion there for two years. I also think it's lame to be playing in a stadium of 40,000 which seems to be the plan with these facilities. As for other options, I don't see playing the entire season in London as one of them. Even Orlando is too far. If we don't play at TIAA Bank Field, Gainesville is the best option. It's a stadium that was actually built for football and is larger than our current one, holding over 88,000 fans. If we're hosting a playoff game, I would rather it in front of 88,000 fans than 40,000. It's a 1.5 hour drive from the current stadium, but I suspect many of our fans live south of the stadium instead of north. As such, the drive may be even less for many. While a one and a half hour drive isn't ideal, I see Ben Hill Griffin Stadium as clearly the best of the other options.