What?! No lazy river concourse encircling the field with strategically placed swim up tiki bars? Why bother renovating at all then?
Having read the news reports about last night's presentation, it seems to me that this deal is completely reasonable. The city pays their share by stretching out the Better Jacksonville Plan half cent sales tax from 2026 to 2030. That half cent sales tax was due to expire in 2026. By stretching out the half cent sales tax, the city would be able to pay in cash for BJP projects that they had planned to borrow money for. That freed up borrowing capacity would then go toward funding the stadium.
The Jaguars are responsible for any cost overruns.
AND, it comes with a new 30 year lease.
The only thing that I am wondering about is the mirrored roof, and whether that will cause a reflection that blinds drivers going over the Matthews Bridge.
(05-14-2024, 10:30 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]What?! No lazy river concourse encircling the field with strategically placed swim up tiki bars? Why bother renovating at all then?
They could at least construct a massive slide from the top of the 400 level that propels people onto the field at halftime.
(05-15-2024, 08:26 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (05-14-2024, 10:30 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]What?! No lazy river concourse encircling the field with strategically placed swim up tiki bars? Why bother renovating at all then?
They could at least construct a massive slide from the top of the 400 level that propels people onto the field at halftime.
I know, right? Give us something. Stadium of the future my [BLEEP].
(05-14-2024, 10:30 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]What?! No lazy river concourse encircling the field with strategically placed swim up tiki bars? Why bother renovating at all then?
Lazy pee river…
(05-15-2024, 09:16 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (05-14-2024, 10:30 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]What?! No lazy river concourse encircling the field with strategically placed swim up tiki bars? Why bother renovating at all then?
Lazy pee river…
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It starts teal and turns gold as the game goes on. It's a feature not a bug.
2026 would have Jags playing at home with limited attendance
2027 home games would be either Gainesville or Orlando
2028 new stadium - Jags back at home
(05-15-2024, 11:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]2026 would have Jags playing at home with limited attendance
2027 home games would be either Gainesville or Orlando
2028 new stadium - Jags back at home
Jags 2027 AFC Champs confirmed.
FWIW - The Jags independent firm that ran the numbers to aid their case estimate the positive fiscal impact on the COJ over the time of the 30 year lease would be $26 billion.
If the reality is anywhere near that number , the 700-800 million investment achieved by extending the life of a .5 cent tax by 4 more year is a bargain. (the tax is not new - already implemented - it will simply expire 4 years later than plan if deal is approved)
Personally - I'd love to see the city agree to steer a portion of positive funding from the Jags remaining here toward education/public schools in order to smooth over concerns from the public.
I don't have a problem with the spending, but I'd like to see a long term commitment to Duval County Public Schools concerning the eventual profit off of this deal.
No Seat Licensing Fee. That's a good thing.
(05-15-2024, 03:57 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]No Seat Licensing Fee. That's a good thing.
I don't think the majority of fans would ever accept PSLs here.
(05-15-2024, 11:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]2026 would have Jags playing at home with limited attendance
This has nothing to do with the Stadium Renovation but rather Baalke's decision to let Trevor walk and go with Mac Jones.
(05-15-2024, 05:25 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Having read the news reports about last night's presentation, it seems to me that this deal is completely reasonable. The city pays their share by stretching out the Better Jacksonville Plan half cent sales tax from 2026 to 2030. That half cent sales tax was due to expire in 2026. By stretching out the half cent sales tax, the city would be able to pay in cash for BJP projects that they had planned to borrow money for. That freed up borrowing capacity would then go toward funding the stadium.
The Jaguars are responsible for any cost overruns.
AND, it comes with a new 30 year lease.
The only thing that I am wondering about is the mirrored roof, and whether that will cause a reflection that blinds drivers going over the Matthews Bridge.
I don't think it can be mirrored. You have planes, ships, roads, fans standing around, etc. Unless they ensure the angle and reflection will not go into the sky or hit anything on land, and not focus the beam, they could be liable for causing accidents.
(05-15-2024, 05:30 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2024, 05:25 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Having read the news reports about last night's presentation, it seems to me that this deal is completely reasonable. The city pays their share by stretching out the Better Jacksonville Plan half cent sales tax from 2026 to 2030. That half cent sales tax was due to expire in 2026. By stretching out the half cent sales tax, the city would be able to pay in cash for BJP projects that they had planned to borrow money for. That freed up borrowing capacity would then go toward funding the stadium.
The Jaguars are responsible for any cost overruns.
AND, it comes with a new 30 year lease.
The only thing that I am wondering about is the mirrored roof, and whether that will cause a reflection that blinds drivers going over the Matthews Bridge.
I don't think it can be mirrored. You have planes, ships, roads, fans standing around, etc. Unless they ensure the angle and reflection will not go into the sky or hit anything on land, and not focus the beam, they could be liable for causing accidents.
I was thinking the same thing. Diffused is a more accurate descriptor.
(05-15-2024, 05:30 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2024, 05:25 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Having read the news reports about last night's presentation, it seems to me that this deal is completely reasonable. The city pays their share by stretching out the Better Jacksonville Plan half cent sales tax from 2026 to 2030. That half cent sales tax was due to expire in 2026. By stretching out the half cent sales tax, the city would be able to pay in cash for BJP projects that they had planned to borrow money for. That freed up borrowing capacity would then go toward funding the stadium.
The Jaguars are responsible for any cost overruns.
AND, it comes with a new 30 year lease.
The only thing that I am wondering about is the mirrored roof, and whether that will cause a reflection that blinds drivers going over the Matthews Bridge.
I don't think it can be mirrored. You have planes, ships, roads, fans standing around, etc. Unless they ensure the angle and reflection will not go into the sky or hit anything on land, and not focus the beam, they could be liable for causing accidents.
Yeah - tons of exterior coatings already in existence to achieve the desired effect that have had to pass safety measures addressing Marty's concern.
This is a bridge already crossed.
(05-15-2024, 02:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW - The Jags independent firm that ran the numbers to aid their case estimate the positive fiscal impact on the COJ over the time of the 30 year lease would be $26 billion.
If the reality is anywhere near that number , the 700-800 million investment achieved by extending the life of a .5 cent tax by 4 more year is a bargain. (the tax is not new - already implemented - it will simply expire 4 years later than plan if deal is approved)
Personally - I'd love to see the city agree to steer a portion of positive funding from the Jags remaining here toward education/public schools in order to smooth over concerns from the public.
I don't have a problem with the spending, but I'd like to see a long term commitment to Duval County Public Schools concerning the eventual profit off of this deal.
Actually I believe our negotiators did well. I hate we lose the 2027 season but can live with it. I am interested to understand the impact on the Florida-Georgia game. It adds about #180-200,000 to our community. That is a cost.
ps. The impact on the Police nd fire department retirement is over blown. They portion of the tax they were suppose to get will be delayed 4 years is all. Curiously by doing that it places the start date where it was originally...lol
(05-15-2024, 02:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW - The Jags independent firm that ran the numbers to aid their case estimate the positive fiscal impact on the COJ over the time of the 30 year lease would be $26 billion.
If the reality is anywhere near that number , the 700-800 million investment achieved by extending the life of a .5 cent tax by 4 more year is a bargain. (the tax is not new - already implemented - it will simply expire 4 years later than plan if deal is approved)
Personally - I'd love to see the city agree to steer a portion of positive funding from the Jags remaining here toward education/public schools in order to smooth over concerns from the public.
I don't have a problem with the spending, but I'd like to see a long term commitment to Duval County Public Schools concerning the eventual profit off of this deal.
The article I read broke the $26B down somewhat, stating that $2.4B of it would be in one-time construction impact. $23.6B is still a lofty figure but doesn't really tell us much without knowing the fiscal impact of the stadium in its current configuration. The relative difference between the two is the significant number.
Details on the Jaguars lease commitment, specifically the "guaranteed money" (especially if favorable to the City) could help sway public opinion. It would also be nice if the NFL commented, hinting that designed upgrades make the stadium a viable candidate to host a Superbowl (Wouldn't it be nice to win our first at home?).
(05-16-2024, 08:34 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2024, 02:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW - The Jags independent firm that ran the numbers to aid their case estimate the positive fiscal impact on the COJ over the time of the 30 year lease would be $26 billion.
If the reality is anywhere near that number , the 700-800 million investment achieved by extending the life of a .5 cent tax by 4 more year is a bargain. (the tax is not new - already implemented - it will simply expire 4 years later than plan if deal is approved)
Personally - I'd love to see the city agree to steer a portion of positive funding from the Jags remaining here toward education/public schools in order to smooth over concerns from the public.
I don't have a problem with the spending, but I'd like to see a long term commitment to Duval County Public Schools concerning the eventual profit off of this deal.
The article I read broke the $26B down somewhat, stating that $2.4B of it would be in one-time construction impact. $23.6B is still a lofty figure but doesn't really tell us much without knowing the fiscal impact of the stadium in its current configuration. The relative difference between the two is the significant number.
Details on the Jaguars lease commitment, specifically the "guaranteed money" (especially if favorable to the City) could help sway public opinion. It would also be nice if the NFL commented, hinting that designed upgrades make the stadium a viable candidate to host a Superbowl (Wouldn't it be nice to win our first at home?).
The $ impact of current config doesn't matter in the big picture.
If the city doesn't negotiate a new lease that includes a "new" stadium - the team is gone.
Whatever the stadium and team did for the city in the past won't matter if the team is gone.
(05-15-2024, 11:13 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2024, 02:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW - The Jags independent firm that ran the numbers to aid their case estimate the positive fiscal impact on the COJ over the time of the 30 year lease would be $26 billion.
If the reality is anywhere near that number , the 700-800 million investment achieved by extending the life of a .5 cent tax by 4 more year is a bargain. (the tax is not new - already implemented - it will simply expire 4 years later than plan if deal is approved)
Personally - I'd love to see the city agree to steer a portion of positive funding from the Jags remaining here toward education/public schools in order to smooth over concerns from the public.
I don't have a problem with the spending, but I'd like to see a long term commitment to Duval County Public Schools concerning the eventual profit off of this deal.
Actually I believe our negotiators did well. I hate we lose the 2027 season but can live with it. I am interested to understand the impact on the Florida-Georgia game. It adds about #180-200,000 to our community. That is a cost.
ps. The impact on the Police nd fire department retirement is over blown. They portion of the tax they were suppose to get will be delayed 4 years is all. Curiously by doing that it places the start date where it was originally...lol
I totally agree and also think Shad Khan was extremely fair, which shows his commitment to Jacksonville. He could have easily done what others NFL Owners have done in the past and demanded the City pay, drag out negotiations, reek havoc in an extended dispute, then threaten to (and ultimately) leave town. People always look to London as the alternative but there are many other growing or developed cities in the US that would be strong candidates for an NFL team (1. San Diego, 2. San Antonio with Austin nearby, 3. Salt Lake City who just got an NHL team, 4. St. Louis where Shad came from, 5. OKC which has a stong NBA following)
(05-16-2024, 09:18 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The $ impact of current config doesn't matter in the big picture.
If the city doesn't negotiate a new lease that includes a "new" stadium - the team is gone.
Whatever the stadium and team did for the city in the past won't matter if the team is gone.
Not sure I follow. The new Renovation deal includes a Lease Renewal of 30 years. Are you saying that if we don't get a new stadium in 2054, the team will then depart Jacksonville? Heck, I'll likely be gone by then too
