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(02-23-2024, 04:15 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2024, 03:18 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Cap is going up even more than anyone projected. Jags should have no issue giving Ridley the money he wants if they choose to.

255.4 Million is the new cap. Wowsers that is quite a jump from 224 $$$

It's that Taylor Swift viewership rating increase man. The NFL is ushering in new waves of fans, networking outside into the streaming industry and slowly but steadily increasing it's international footprint. It makes PLENTY of money. It's a shared pool I believe across all 32 teams. 

They had to raise the cap up more this year because the QB's contracts alone are going to start accounting for mammoth amounts of percentages on each team's salary cap. Get used to QB's eating 30 - 49% of most team's cap's man. 

Would have to look it up but I am busy now with reporting stuff at work. I bet Mahomes, Burrow and Allen are close to those percentages already and that means the next wave of QB's are going to make that the new norm.

(02-23-2024, 04:21 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2024, 04:15 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]255.4 Million is the new cap. Wowsers that is quite a jump from 224 $$$

It's that Taylor Swift viewership rating increase man. The NFL is ushering in new waves of fans, networking outside into the streaming industry and slowly but steadily increasing it's international footprint. It makes PLENTY of money. It's a shared pool I believe across all 32 teams. 

They had to raise the cap up more this year because the QB's contracts alone are going to start accounting for mammoth amounts of percentages on each team's salary cap. Get used to QB's eating 30 - 49% of most team's cap's man. 

Would have to look it up but I am busy now with reporting stuff at work. I bet Mahomes, Burrow and Allen are close to those percentages already and that means the next wave of QB's are going to make that the new norm.

Makes you wonder if teams might go full moneyball on the QB position and try to build stud teams around a rookie QB if things ever tighten up cap wise.. Thinking SF with younger Jimmy G/Purdy. Unless you have the next Mahomes, might not be worth to tie up 30%+ of your cap on 1 player and keep trying to find the next big thing at QB with loads of talent everywhere else.

(02-23-2024, 04:30 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2024, 04:21 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It's that Taylor Swift viewership rating increase man. The NFL is ushering in new waves of fans, networking outside into the streaming industry and slowly but steadily increasing it's international footprint. It makes PLENTY of money. It's a shared pool I believe across all 32 teams. 

They had to raise the cap up more this year because the QB's contracts alone are going to start accounting for mammoth amounts of percentages on each team's salary cap. Get used to QB's eating 30 - 49% of most team's cap's man. 

Would have to look it up but I am busy now with reporting stuff at work. I bet Mahomes, Burrow and Allen are close to those percentages already and that means the next wave of QB's are going to make that the new norm.

Makes you wonder if teams might go full moneyball on the QB position and try to build stud teams around a rookie QB if things ever tighten up cap wise.. Thinking SF with younger Jimmy G/Purdy. Unless you have the next Mahomes, might not be worth to tie up 30%+ of your cap on 1 player and keep trying to find the next big thing at QB with loads of talent everywhere else.

Dilfer (arguably best defense of all time), Foles and Flacco are the only average to below average QBs to win a SB in the last 30 years. So that’s almost one every 10 years.

You basically need an really good to elite QB to win a SB.

(02-23-2024, 04:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2024, 04:30 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Makes you wonder if teams might go full moneyball on the QB position and try to build stud teams around a rookie QB if things ever tighten up cap wise.. Thinking SF with younger Jimmy G/Purdy. Unless you have the next Mahomes, might not be worth to tie up 30%+ of your cap on 1 player and keep trying to find the next big thing at QB with loads of talent everywhere else.

Dilfer (arguably best defense of all time), Foles and Flacco are the only average to below average QBs to win a SB in the last 30 years. So that’s almost one every 10 years.

You basically need an really good to elite QB to win a SB.

There's more than one way to skin a cat in the NFL. But, that is true. Flacco played above average during that play off run though. Similar to how Eli Manning would somehow start having a magic arm with insane luck in his two Superbowl winning runs. 

The way the NFL is geared towards the offense now. An Elite QB is paramount. Mahomes proved that once again with lackluster talent around him and a good defense alongside him. 

Despite Shanahan's many stabs at the SB, despite Lynch overcoming a bad trade deal for Lance and lucking out with Purdy. They ultimately fell short. Nobody cares if you built a good team. It's whether or not you got it done when it was all on the line. 

Guys like Jim Kelly and Marv Levy are an afterthought now because dynasties like New England and those two runs with teams like Elway and Denver in the 1990's and Coughlin in the 2000's with Eli and the Giants look a lot better in the long run.

(02-23-2024, 04:57 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2024, 04:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Dilfer (arguably best defense of all time), Foles and Flacco are the only average to below average QBs to win a SB in the last 30 years. So that’s almost one every 10 years.

You basically need an really good to elite QB to win a SB.

There's more than one way to skin a cat in the NFL. But, that is true. Flacco played above average during that play off run though. Similar to how Eli Manning would somehow start having a magic arm with insane luck in his two Superbowl winning runs. 

The way the NFL is geared towards the offense now. An Elite QB is paramount. Mahomes proved that once again with lackluster talent around him and a good defense alongside him. 

Despite Shanahan's many stabs at the SB, despite Lynch overcoming a bad trade deal for Lance and lucking out with Purdy. They ultimately fell short. Nobody cares if you built a good team. It's whether or not you got it done when it was all on the line. 

Guys like Jim Kelly and Marv Levy are an afterthought now because dynasties like New England and those two runs with teams like Elway and Denver in the 1990's and Coughlin in the 2000's with Eli and the Giants look a lot better in the long run.

He definitely rode the D this year.  Cue the MJD eye roll.

(02-23-2024, 04:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2024, 04:30 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Makes you wonder if teams might go full moneyball on the QB position and try to build stud teams around a rookie QB if things ever tighten up cap wise.. Thinking SF with younger Jimmy G/Purdy. Unless you have the next Mahomes, might not be worth to tie up 30%+ of your cap on 1 player and keep trying to find the next big thing at QB with loads of talent everywhere else.

Dilfer (arguably best defense of all time), Foles and Flacco are the only average to below average QBs to win a SB in the last 30 years. So that’s almost one every 10 years.

You basically need a really good to elite QB to win a SB.

Brad Johnson.  

(02-23-2024, 06:36 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2024, 04:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Dilfer (arguably best defense of all time), Foles and Flacco are the only average to below average QBs to win a SB in the last 30 years. So that’s almost one every 10 years.

You basically need a really good to elite QB to win a SB.

Brad Johnson.  

Dang it! I knew I forgot one!

Add him to the “elite defense” title QB lol

(02-23-2024, 04:57 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2024, 04:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Dilfer (arguably best defense of all time), Foles and Flacco are the only average to below average QBs to win a SB in the last 30 years. So that’s almost one every 10 years.

You basically need an really good to elite QB to win a SB.

There's more than one way to skin a cat in the NFL. But, that is true. Flacco played above average during that play off run though. Similar to how Eli Manning would somehow start having a magic arm with insane luck in his two Superbowl winning runs. 

The way the NFL is geared towards the offense now. An Elite QB is paramount. Mahomes proved that once again with lackluster talent around him and a good defense alongside him. 

Despite Shanahan's many stabs at the SB, despite Lynch overcoming a bad trade deal for Lance and lucking out with Purdy. They ultimately fell short. Nobody cares if you built a good team. It's whether or not you got it done when it was all on the line. 

Guys like Jim Kelly and Marv Levy are an afterthought now because dynasties like New England and those two runs with teams like Elway and Denver in the 1990's and Coughlin in the 2000's with Eli and the Giants look a lot better in the long run.

I wouldnt say Mahomes has lack luster talent around him.  The best TE ever, a really good oline, Pacheco is a beast, Rashee Rice is good WR as well even though he was a rookie.  Its not uncommon these days for rookie WR to come into the league ready to go at a high level.  Not to mention one of the best kickers, punters, and a top 5 defense. Its one of the better rosters in the league imo. The could use another WR and tackle. Other than that they dont have man holes

Well, keeping Ridley may be more realistic than originally thought. Still need to make sure we get that beef in the interior of the o-line

(02-23-2024, 06:58 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2024, 04:57 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]There's more than one way to skin a cat in the NFL. But, that is true. Flacco played above average during that play off run though. Similar to how Eli Manning would somehow start having a magic arm with insane luck in his two Superbowl winning runs. 

The way the NFL is geared towards the offense now. An Elite QB is paramount. Mahomes proved that once again with lackluster talent around him and a good defense alongside him. 

Despite Shanahan's many stabs at the SB, despite Lynch overcoming a bad trade deal for Lance and lucking out with Purdy. They ultimately fell short. Nobody cares if you built a good team. It's whether or not you got it done when it was all on the line. 

Guys like Jim Kelly and Marv Levy are an afterthought now because dynasties like New England and those two runs with teams like Elway and Denver in the 1990's and Coughlin in the 2000's with Eli and the Giants look a lot better in the long run.

I wouldnt say Mahomes has lack luster talent around him.  The best TE ever, a really good oline, Pacheco is a beast, Rashee Rice is good WR as well even though he was a rookie.  Its not uncommon these days for rookie WR to come into the league ready to go at a high level.  Not to mention one of the best kickers, punters, and a top 5 defense.  Its one of the better rosters in the league imo.  The could use another WR and tackle. Other than that they dont have man holes

(02-24-2024, 12:35 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Well, keeping Ridley may be more realistic than originally thought. Still need to make sure we get that beef in the interior of the o-line

Plus Higgins was tagged earlier so i def want to keep Rid.

To be honest, a trio like Calvin Ridley, Christian Kirk, and Zay Jones could lead the league in receiving as a trio unit, which also means you can win a Super Bowl with that unit.

Add Engram and Etienne to the mix, and now those defenses have all kinds of problems.

His value has skyrocketed and he ain’t playing on the tag. Just like Engram last year didn’t. He will be signed before the season.

Allen will too. The draft pick don’t matter because if they see a guy in round 2 they can trade up. The tag ain’t what it used to be bc guys can act hurt and still get paid, and the coaches know that.

Guys, my opinion is Ridley will hit free agency and take the most money. He has been on his rookie deal FOREVER since he "lost" a year and a half. He is 29, still in good shape and can run. He is going to be one of the highest rated receivers in free agency that is not tagged. He is not going to make some sweet heart "wink-wunk" deal. If we want him it will be costly. Look at the situation and tell me what you would do?

(02-29-2024, 06:58 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Guys, my opinion is Ridley will hit free agency and take the most money. He has been on his rookie deal FOREVER since he "lost" a year and a half. He is 29, still in good shape and can run. He is going to be one of the highest rated receivers in free agency that is not tagged. He is not going to make some sweet heart "wink-wunk" deal.  If we want him it will be costly.  Look at the situation and tell me what you would do?

Oh, we def are not keeping him without paying him a big sum of guaranteed money.

Just a question of how much the brass is willing too spend on him

(02-23-2024, 04:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2024, 04:30 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Makes you wonder if teams might go full moneyball on the QB position and try to build stud teams around a rookie QB if things ever tighten up cap wise.. Thinking SF with younger Jimmy G/Purdy. Unless you have the next Mahomes, might not be worth to tie up 30%+ of your cap on 1 player and keep trying to find the next big thing at QB with loads of talent everywhere else.

Dilfer (arguably best defense of all time), Foles and Flacco are the only average to below average QBs to win a SB in the last 30 years. So that’s almost one every 10 years.

You basically need an really good to elite QB to win a SB.

But you don't need to win an SB to have extremely loyal fans and viewers. Case in point is Buffalo.  You just need to give the fans hope more often than not.  Go on playoff runs more often than not.

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(02-29-2024, 06:58 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Guys, my opinion is Ridley will hit free agency and take the most money. He has been on his rookie deal FOREVER since he "lost" a year and a half. He is 29, still in good shape and can run. He is going to be one of the highest rated receivers in free agency that is not tagged. He is not going to make some sweet heart "wink-wunk" deal.  If we want him it will be costly.  Look at the situation and tell me what you would do?

I'd let Ridley walk.
If Trevor is an elite QB, he doesn't need elite receivers. He already has Engram, one of the highest paid TE in the league.
He just needs above average receivers and above average time in the pocket.  He has one of the two.

Agreed with the sentiment of Trevor not needing it, we had the chiefs on their heels in the divisional with Agnew , Jones and Kirk as our WR’s.

I’d rather use our money on pass rushers and an experienced C or G. Draft a rookie WR in rd 1 or 2 to develop, younger and cheaper.

(02-29-2024, 10:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2024, 04:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Dilfer (arguably best defense of all time), Foles and Flacco are the only average to below average QBs to win a SB in the last 30 years. So that’s almost one every 10 years.

You basically need an really good to elite QB to win a SB.

But you don't need to win an SB to have extremely loyal fans and viewers. Case in point is Buffalo.  You just need to give the fans hope more often than not.  Go on playoff runs more often than not.

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(02-29-2024, 06:58 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Guys, my opinion is Ridley will hit free agency and take the most money. He has been on his rookie deal FOREVER since he "lost" a year and a half. He is 29, still in good shape and can run. He is going to be one of the highest rated receivers in free agency that is not tagged. He is not going to make some sweet heart "wink-wunk" deal.  If we want him it will be costly.  Look at the situation and tell me what you would do?

I'd let Ridley walk.
If Trevor is an elite QB, he doesn't need elite receivers.  He already has Engram, one of the highest paid TE in the league.
He just needs above average receivers and above average time in the pocket.  He has one of the two.

I would not put it quite that way, but that is what KC did Tyreek Hill and it seemed to work for them. Ridley is no Tryeek. (Now KC has been investing in their O-line) Make him an offer you can live with and let the cards fall as they will.

(02-29-2024, 11:06 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-29-2024, 10:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]But you don't need to win an SB to have extremely loyal fans and viewers. Case in point is Buffalo.  You just need to give the fans hope more often than not.  Go on playoff runs more often than not.

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I'd let Ridley walk.
If Trevor is an elite QB, he doesn't need elite receivers.  He already has Engram, one of the highest paid TE in the league.
He just needs above average receivers and above average time in the pocket.  He has one of the two.

I would not put it quite that way, but that is what KC did Tyreek Hill and it seemed to work for them. Ridley is no Tryeek. (Now KC has been investing in their O-line) Make him an offer you can live with and let the cards fall as they will.

Well if you have Mahomes, Andy Reid, Travis Kelce and Spags…. You can get rid of whoever you want and still be good.

Pretty much just Mahomes and Reid.

(02-29-2024, 11:20 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-29-2024, 11:06 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I would not put it quite that way, but that is what KC did Tyreek Hill and it seemed to work for them. Ridley is no Tryeek. (Now KC has been investing in their O-line) Make him an offer you can live with and let the cards fall as they will.

Well if you have Mahomes, Andy Reid, Travis Kelce and Spags…. You can get rid of whoever you want and still be good.

Pretty much just Mahomes and Reid.

We got Pederson and Lawrence lets protect him and he can be damn good not Mahomes but who is.

(02-29-2024, 05:44 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]To be honest, a trio like Calvin Ridley, Christian Kirk, and Zay Jones could lead the league in receiving as a trio unit, which also means you can win a Super Bowl with that unit.

Add Engram and Etienne to the mix, and now those defenses have all kinds of problems.

His value has skyrocketed and he ain’t playing on the tag. Just like Engram last year didn’t. He will be signed before the season.

Allen will too. The draft pick don’t matter because if they see a guy in round 2 they can trade up. The tag ain’t what it used to be bc guys can act hurt and still get paid, and the coaches know that.

You say these things like they are hypotheticals. Every last one of them was on the roster last year and the offense did not revolutionize the game of football as we know it.

You like stats, so here's some for us to digest:

All 5 players active: 4-2 W-L, 25.67 PPG. avg 16.8 rush / 67.6 yds / 4TD (.67/gm). avg 22 rec / 243.5 yds / 7TD (1.16/gm) that's 4.4rec/48.7yds avg per receiver
No Zay (4 receivers): 4-2 W-L 27 PPG. avg 17.3 rush / 60.83 yds / 4TD (.67/gm). avg 17.8 rec / 192.17yds / 4TD (.67/gm) that's 4.5rec/48.04yds avg per receiver
No Kirk (4 receivers): 0-3 W-L 18 PPG. avg 13.3 rush / 41 yds / 1TD (.33/gm). avg 23 rec / 210 yds / 4TD (1.33/gm) that's 5.75 rec/52.5 yds avg per receiver
No Zay No Kirk (3 rcvr): 1-1 W-L 19 PPG. avg 11 rush / 57 yds / 2TD (1/gm). avg 15.5 rec / 158.5 yds / 2TD (1/gm) that's 5.1rec/52.83 yds avg per receiver

Ridley's stats when all 5 active: 33 rec / 473 / 4TD (5.5/78.83/.67 per game) when at least 1 inactive: 43/543/4 (3.9/49.36/.36 per game)

So you can see that losing Kirk hurt us, W-L wise, but that also coincided with Trevor getting hurt. Zay out of the lineup did not result in any of these four picking up his slack - we either lost those yards or passed to other WR. Our run game has a slight benefit when all 5 players are playing, but not enough to say they are posing significant distraction to a D.

Ridley's numbers are the interesting one, though. You'd think that when at least one of our primary targets are unavailable, more work would be sent his way. He personally benefitted from the extra distraction of a full roster of targets, averaging 1.5 more catches and 60% more yards per game when everyone was active.

Should we expect a $20M receiver to be able to do that without the benefit of needing a complete arsenal around him? Do we think that a comparable, drafted receiver would be capable of producing similar results in the same situation? Does anyone think he's not going to settle for a payday somewhere near the tag? 

We've seen this team both with and without Ridley. Both years resulted in 9-8 records, Passing numbers were comparable. I don't think Ridley is as necessary as some others here might, especially at that price tag. I think we are just as capable without him. We need SOMEBODY, mind you, that can produce similar results, but breaking the bank to keep the gang together doesn't seem like it's going to yield any different results.

Beef up the interior of the offensive line. It’s that simple really.