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(02-21-2024, 10:46 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Q: If the Jaguars do not sign Ridley before free agency, what are the odds he resigns with the Jaguars?

A: High. I do not think Ridley wants to start over elsewhere, and the Jaguars can use this time to work out a deal with him but still wait until free agency starts to have him sign it. It isn't tampering because he is currently on their team.

Q: What are the odds Calvin Ridley is a Jaguar next season?

A: I will go with 85%/15%. I think he is a Jaguar. They want him back and all signs point to him preferring to return than starting anew elsewhere. The money just has to be close, and I think it will be.


This is from John Shipleys mailbag

Let us hope

(02-21-2024, 01:52 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-21-2024, 10:46 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Q: If the Jaguars do not sign Ridley before free agency, what are the odds he resigns with the Jaguars?

A: High. I do not think Ridley wants to start over elsewhere, and the Jaguars can use this time to work out a deal with him but still wait until free agency starts to have him sign it. It isn't tampering because he is currently on their team.

Q: What are the odds Calvin Ridley is a Jaguar next season?

A: I will go with 85%/15%. I think he is a Jaguar. They want him back and all signs point to him preferring to return than starting anew elsewhere. The money just has to be close, and I think it will be.


This is from John Shipleys mailbag

Let us hope

Sounds logical BUT this is likely his last big pay on a multiple year deal so I say he goes to whomever extends the biggest offer; provided that offer is at least 20% more than what the Jags may be offering.  The good news is that the teams that have highly paid QBs are unlikely to make any significant offering to Ridley.

(02-21-2024, 03:46 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-21-2024, 01:52 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Let us hope

Sounds logical BUT this is likely his last big pay on a multiple year deal so I say he goes to whomever extends the biggest offer; provided that offer is at least 20% more than what the Jags may be offering.  The good news is that the teams that have highly paid QBs are unlikely to make any significant offering to Ridley.

^This.  When it's your last chance to make a huge salary that has to last you the next ~50 years of your life, it's perfectly understandable to go where the most money is.

(02-22-2024, 09:05 AM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-21-2024, 03:46 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds logical BUT this is likely his last big pay on a multiple year deal so I say he goes to whomever extends the biggest offer; provided that offer is at least 20% more than what the Jags may be offering.  The good news is that the teams that have highly paid QBs are unlikely to make any significant offering to Ridley.

^This.  When it's your last chance to make a huge salary that has to last you the next ~50 years of your life, it's perfectly understandable to go where the most money is.

Absolutely.

But I think the Jags will be giving him a big contract, no state income tax and Shipley seems to think Ridley doesn't want to start over.

(02-21-2024, 03:46 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-21-2024, 01:52 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Let us hope

Sounds logical BUT this is likely his last big pay on a multiple year deal so I say he goes to whomever extends the biggest offer; provided that offer is at least 20% more than what the Jags may be offering.  The good news is that the teams that have highly paid QBs are unlikely to make any significant offering to Ridley.

A good thing is this is a very good WR class and a lot of teams will want to draft one instead of signing a high priced FA.  It wouldn't shock me if we get a G and C in FA if we signed Ridley, cut Zay, and drafted Brian Thomas Jr.  If we could add a couple pieces to the interior oline in FA.  Thomas Jr, Ridley, Kirk, Engram, and Etienne would have the potential to be one of the best offenses in the league.

(02-22-2024, 10:07 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-21-2024, 03:46 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds logical BUT this is likely his last big pay on a multiple year deal so I say he goes to whomever extends the biggest offer; provided that offer is at least 20% more than what the Jags may be offering.  The good news is that the teams that have highly paid QBs are unlikely to make any significant offering to Ridley.

A good thing is this is a very good WR class and a lot of teams will want to draft one instead of signing a high priced FA.  It wouldn't shock me if we get a G and C in FA if we signed Ridley, cut Zay, and drafted Brian Thomas Jr.  If we could add a couple pieces to the interior oline in FA.  Thomas Jr, Ridley, Kirk, Engram, and Etienne would have the potential to be one of the best offenses in the league.

Yeah. Been hesitant to run anymore mock drafts until they get through the free agency phase next month. That's ultimately going to shuffle everybody's draft boards. Ideally, and, not to derail this thread too far off topic because it is about Ridley.

However, they should hopefully enter free agency with the goal of landing at least one of the following positions with an immediate starter:

1. C
2. LG
3. DT

Landing just two or three of those positions with a big name or at least top three - five free agent will let the front office breath a lot better in April. We still have to consider the WR position though, for sure. Because we don't have Ridley at all as it stands. I can't remember if Agnew is free to go this off season as well. Then you factor in Zay Jones being a possible cut, albeit, minimal impact if we do cut him salary cap wise so we're probably better served keeping him. 

I was high on Brian Thomas Jr. months ago when I started looking at this class. Was on that train before the mock sites and analysts started making it a trend or habit. Would be thrilled if he's a Jaguar on the opening night of the draft. He was a TD scoring machine last year for the Tigers and if you look closely at his highlight reels you will see that he's very good at:

1. High pointing the football with his hands. He attacks the ball. It doesn't let it come to him. 

2. He's been making NFL caliber TD grabs with great body control, ball location and keeping two feet and/or dragging his toes to stay inbounds.

3. He's got great 50/50 catch radius. 

He's a great candidate in this offense and if he's there at 17 I would be tempted to take him over anybody really unless a top 10 prospect fell. There's a good chance he's not there though. Once you get past Harrison Jr., Nabers & Odunze, all of whom should probably end up going in the top 15. 

I'll tell you, what keeps bumming me out? Is, looking at some of my go to mock sites. I see Nabers going to the tacks at #7 and sometimes Odunze going to the clots right at #15. With even Thomas Jr. somehow slipping to the tinhorns at #23. Makes me sick to think about really. 

Three sleepers though at WR I would keep an eye out on. That's Ladd McConkey out of Georgia, Hayden Hatten out of Idaho & Xavier Weaver out of Colorado. I think those three guys will slip here and there in the draft but they're good options. 

There's good day two options as well if they absolutely have to replace Ridley in the draft. The two guys out of Texas, that kid out of South Carolina and that other kid out of North Carolina.

(02-22-2024, 10:26 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-22-2024, 10:07 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]A good thing is this is a very good WR class and a lot of teams will want to draft one instead of signing a high priced FA.  It wouldn't shock me if we get a G and C in FA if we signed Ridley, cut Zay, and drafted Brian Thomas Jr.  If we could add a couple pieces to the interior oline in FA.  Thomas Jr, Ridley, Kirk, Engram, and Etienne would have the potential to be one of the best offenses in the league.

Yeah. Been hesitant to run anymore mock drafts until they get through the free agency phase next month. That's ultimately going to shuffle everybody's draft boards. Ideally, and, not to derail this thread too far off topic because it is about Ridley.

However, they should hopefully enter free agency with the goal of landing at least one of the following positions with an immediate starter:

1. C
2. LG
3. DT

Landing just two or three of those positions with a big name or at least top three - five free agent will let the front office breath a lot better in April. We still have to consider the WR position though, for sure. Because we don't have Ridley at all as it stands. I can't remember if Agnew is free to go this off season as well. Then you factor in Zay Jones being a possible cut, albeit, minimal impact if we do cut him salary cap wise so we're probably better served keeping him. 

I was high on Brian Thomas Jr. months ago when I started looking at this class. Was on that train before the mock sites and analysts started making it a trend or habit. Would be thrilled if he's a Jaguar on the opening night of the draft. He was a TD scoring machine last year for the Tigers and if you look closely at his highlight reels you will see that he's very good at:

1. High pointing the football with his hands. He attacks the ball. It doesn't let it come to him. 

2. He's been making NFL caliber TD grabs with great body control, ball location and keeping two feet and/or dragging his toes to stay inbounds.

3. He's got great 50/50 catch radius. 

He's a great candidate in this offense and if he's there at 17 I would be tempted to take him over anybody really unless a top 10 prospect fell. There's a good chance he's not there though. Once you get past Harrison Jr., Nabers & Odunze, all of whom should probably end up going in the top 15. 

I'll tell you, what keeps bumming me out? Is, looking at some of my go to mock sites. I see Nabers going to the tacks at #7 and sometimes Odunze going to the clots right at #15. With even Thomas Jr. somehow slipping to the tinhorns at #23. Makes me sick to think about really. 

Three sleepers though at WR I would keep an eye out on. That's Ladd McConkey out of Georgia, Hayden Hatten out of Idaho & Xavier Weaver out of Colorado. I think those three guys will slip here and there in the draft but they're good options. 

There's good day two options as well if they absolutely have to replace Ridley in the draft. The two guys out of Texas, that kid out of South Carolina and that other kid out of North Carolina.

Nabers is almost a virtual lock to go to the Chargers. They'll be releasing Mike Williams and Keenan is almost 32 years old.

Herbert and Nabers is going to be NASTY. I also don't see Odunze making it out of the top 10 but if he starts to slide to 13? I'm trading up for him. He's that good.

(02-22-2024, 10:37 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-22-2024, 10:26 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Been hesitant to run anymore mock drafts until they get through the free agency phase next month. That's ultimately going to shuffle everybody's draft boards. Ideally, and, not to derail this thread too far off topic because it is about Ridley.

However, they should hopefully enter free agency with the goal of landing at least one of the following positions with an immediate starter:

1. C
2. LG
3. DT

Landing just two or three of those positions with a big name or at least top three - five free agent will let the front office breath a lot better in April. We still have to consider the WR position though, for sure. Because we don't have Ridley at all as it stands. I can't remember if Agnew is free to go this off season as well. Then you factor in Zay Jones being a possible cut, albeit, minimal impact if we do cut him salary cap wise so we're probably better served keeping him. 

I was high on Brian Thomas Jr. months ago when I started looking at this class. Was on that train before the mock sites and analysts started making it a trend or habit. Would be thrilled if he's a Jaguar on the opening night of the draft. He was a TD scoring machine last year for the Tigers and if you look closely at his highlight reels you will see that he's very good at:

1. High pointing the football with his hands. He attacks the ball. It doesn't let it come to him. 

2. He's been making NFL caliber TD grabs with great body control, ball location and keeping two feet and/or dragging his toes to stay inbounds.

3. He's got great 50/50 catch radius. 

He's a great candidate in this offense and if he's there at 17 I would be tempted to take him over anybody really unless a top 10 prospect fell. There's a good chance he's not there though. Once you get past Harrison Jr., Nabers & Odunze, all of whom should probably end up going in the top 15. 

I'll tell you, what keeps bumming me out? Is, looking at some of my go to mock sites. I see Nabers going to the tacks at #7 and sometimes Odunze going to the clots right at #15. With even Thomas Jr. somehow slipping to the tinhorns at #23. Makes me sick to think about really. 

Three sleepers though at WR I would keep an eye out on. That's Ladd McConkey out of Georgia, Hayden Hatten out of Idaho & Xavier Weaver out of Colorado. I think those three guys will slip here and there in the draft but they're good options. 

There's good day two options as well if they absolutely have to replace Ridley in the draft. The two guys out of Texas, that kid out of South Carolina and that other kid out of North Carolina.

Nabers is almost a virtual lock to go to the Chargers. They'll be releasing Mike Williams and Keenan is almost 32 years old.

Herbert and Nabers is going to be NASTY. I also don't see Odunze making it out of the top 10 but if he starts to slide to 13? I'm trading up for him. He's that good.

Odunze is a great prospect. This class in general has a lot of taller, more physical options to select from in recent memory. Between Odunze, Thomas Jr., Leggett, Coleman, Wilson, Walker, etc. 

Good looking class. Even the undersized guys are ones to watch. McConkey in particular is getting a ton of buzz. Thanks to Daniel Jeremiah recently putting it out there in the scouting community. Virtually every CB he's lined up on he gave them a challenge. 

Everybody's going to start trying to strike it rich like the Rams did and look for their Puka Nacua. It's a dragon's tail worth chasing after for sure, but, it's rare you catch that kind of prospect. Now? Because of him? You'll probably see receivers go a lot earlier than they probably should have in April. 

Which is fine. Could ultimately bode well for our team when we have bigger needs anyway along the trenches.

(02-22-2024, 10:26 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-22-2024, 10:07 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]A good thing is this is a very good WR class and a lot of teams will want to draft one instead of signing a high priced FA.  It wouldn't shock me if we get a G and C in FA if we signed Ridley, cut Zay, and drafted Brian Thomas Jr.  If we could add a couple pieces to the interior oline in FA.  Thomas Jr, Ridley, Kirk, Engram, and Etienne would have the potential to be one of the best offenses in the league.

Yeah. Been hesitant to run anymore mock drafts until they get through the free agency phase next month. That's ultimately going to shuffle everybody's draft boards. Ideally, and, not to derail this thread too far off topic because it is about Ridley.

However, they should hopefully enter free agency with the goal of landing at least one of the following positions with an immediate starter:

1. C
2. LG
3. DT

Landing just two or three of those positions with a big name or at least top three - five free agent will let the front office breath a lot better in April. We still have to consider the WR position though, for sure. Because we don't have Ridley at all as it stands. I can't remember if Agnew is free to go this off season as well. Then you factor in Zay Jones being a possible cut, albeit, minimal impact if we do cut him salary cap wise so we're probably better served keeping him. 

I was high on Brian Thomas Jr. months ago when I started looking at this class. Was on that train before the mock sites and analysts started making it a trend or habit. Would be thrilled if he's a Jaguar on the opening night of the draft. He was a TD scoring machine last year for the Tigers and if you look closely at his highlight reels you will see that he's very good at:

1. High pointing the football with his hands. He attacks the ball. It doesn't let it come to him. 

2. He's been making NFL caliber TD grabs with great body control, ball location and keeping two feet and/or dragging his toes to stay inbounds.

3. He's got great 50/50 catch radius. 

He's a great candidate in this offense and if he's there at 17 I would be tempted to take him over anybody really unless a top 10 prospect fell. There's a good chance he's not there though. Once you get past Harrison Jr., Nabers & Odunze, all of whom should probably end up going in the top 15. 

I'll tell you, what keeps bumming me out? Is, looking at some of my go to mock sites. I see Nabers going to the tacks at #7 and sometimes Odunze going to the clots right at #15. With even Thomas Jr. somehow slipping to the tinhorns at #23. Makes me sick to think about really. 

Three sleepers though at WR I would keep an eye out on. That's Ladd McConkey out of Georgia, Hayden Hatten out of Idaho & Xavier Weaver out of Colorado. I think those three guys will slip here and there in the draft but they're good options. 

There's good day two options as well if they absolutely have to replace Ridley in the draft. The two guys out of Texas, that kid out of South Carolina and that other kid out of North Carolina.

Same,  hes a TD machine. if Troy Franklin was there in the 2nd he'd be very hard to pass on.  My guys in the 2nd or 3rd I'd like to get are Pearsall, Corley, and Malik Washington.  I think Malik Washington will be a steal because of his size but he will be like Tank Dell.

Ridley reminds me of a better Deion Branch late in his career, not necessarily a #1 , but an incredible starter capable of 1000yard seasons and clutch plays

(02-22-2024, 10:37 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-22-2024, 10:26 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Been hesitant to run anymore mock drafts until they get through the free agency phase next month. That's ultimately going to shuffle everybody's draft boards. Ideally, and, not to derail this thread too far off topic because it is about Ridley.

However, they should hopefully enter free agency with the goal of landing at least one of the following positions with an immediate starter:

1. C
2. LG
3. DT

Landing just two or three of those positions with a big name or at least top three - five free agent will let the front office breath a lot better in April. We still have to consider the WR position though, for sure. Because we don't have Ridley at all as it stands. I can't remember if Agnew is free to go this off season as well. Then you factor in Zay Jones being a possible cut, albeit, minimal impact if we do cut him salary cap wise so we're probably better served keeping him. 

I was high on Brian Thomas Jr. months ago when I started looking at this class. Was on that train before the mock sites and analysts started making it a trend or habit. Would be thrilled if he's a Jaguar on the opening night of the draft. He was a TD scoring machine last year for the Tigers and if you look closely at his highlight reels you will see that he's very good at:

1. High pointing the football with his hands. He attacks the ball. It doesn't let it come to him. 

2. He's been making NFL caliber TD grabs with great body control, ball location and keeping two feet and/or dragging his toes to stay inbounds.

3. He's got great 50/50 catch radius. 

He's a great candidate in this offense and if he's there at 17 I would be tempted to take him over anybody really unless a top 10 prospect fell. There's a good chance he's not there though. Once you get past Harrison Jr., Nabers & Odunze, all of whom should probably end up going in the top 15. 

I'll tell you, what keeps bumming me out? Is, looking at some of my go to mock sites. I see Nabers going to the tacks at #7 and sometimes Odunze going to the clots right at #15. With even Thomas Jr. somehow slipping to the tinhorns at #23. Makes me sick to think about really. 

Three sleepers though at WR I would keep an eye out on. That's Ladd McConkey out of Georgia, Hayden Hatten out of Idaho & Xavier Weaver out of Colorado. I think those three guys will slip here and there in the draft but they're good options. 

There's good day two options as well if they absolutely have to replace Ridley in the draft. The two guys out of Texas, that kid out of South Carolina and that other kid out of North Carolina.

Nabers is almost a virtual lock to go to the Chargers. They'll be releasing Mike Williams and Keenan is almost 32 years old.

Herbert and Nabers is going to be NASTY. I also don't see Odunze making it out of the top 10 but if he starts to slide to 13? I'm trading up for him. He's that good.

Nabers a virtual lock to Chargers?  It's possible but far from a virtual lock.   They just took a WR in the first last year.  They could take Bowers, Herbert and Bowers would would be nasty, hopefully they don't do that.  I would rather the Chargera take Bowers than the Titans though.  Joe Alt is another high possibility with Harbough.

(02-22-2024, 11:15 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Ridley reminds me of a better Deion Branch late in his career, not necessarily a #1 , but an incredible starter capable of 1000yard seasons and clutch plays

This is a great comparison. Almost perfect comparison.

(02-22-2024, 11:15 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Ridley reminds me of a better Deion Branch late in his career, not necessarily a #1 , but an incredible starter capable of 1000yard seasons and clutch plays

Yet Branch never had a 1000 yards in a season and had Tom Brady as his QB and he sucked as soon as he left NE and got the big contract.  Hopefully Ridley gets that SB MVP with us like Branch did

(02-22-2024, 11:34 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-22-2024, 11:15 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Ridley reminds me of a better Deion Branch late in his career, not necessarily a #1 , but an incredible starter capable of 1000yard seasons and clutch plays

This is a great comparison. Almost perfect comparison.

I don't see that. 

Branch was like 5'9 and didn't look like Ridley does coming out of breaks - different style of play IMO. 

The only similarity I see at all is that Branch was good at fooling DBs about where the route was going - just like Ridley is. They both get DBs to bite the wrong way.  They look really different doing it though.

Plus -Branch did most of his best work from the slot. 
Ridley is naturally a Z receiver forced to play X for the Jags.

I certainly hope the team is able to retain Ridley. I really want to keep that 2nd round pick however. Not that I trust Baalke.

However, if cap space means…for example, Ridley or Hunt, not both, then my choice would be Hunt.

Fix the trenches before the skill positions.

(02-22-2024, 01:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-22-2024, 11:34 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]This is a great comparison. Almost perfect comparison.

I don't see that. 

Branch was like 5'9 and didn't look like Ridley does coming out of breaks - different style of play IMO. 

The only similarity I see at all is that Branch was good at fooling DBs about where the route was going - just like Ridley is. They both get DBs to bite the wrong way.  They look really different doing it though.

Plus -Branch did most of his best work from the slot. 
Ridley is naturally a Z receiver forced to play X for the Jags.

 

You’re missing my point, obviously they are different, but in terms of stage in career and impact to the team. An energy thing. 

 I don’t ever see Ridley being a true #1, but being a reliable target - savvy veteran moves and intelligence. But he’s not diving for balls or making insane one handed catches. He can’t single handedly dominate games like Chase or JJ. And that’s FINE, I rather us go after T. Hig cuz he’s younger but I’d be ok with Ridley back. 
Still think WR in rd1 is the way to go.

(02-22-2024, 07:10 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-22-2024, 01:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see that. 

Branch was like 5'9 and didn't look like Ridley does coming out of breaks - different style of play IMO. 

The only similarity I see at all is that Branch was good at fooling DBs about where the route was going - just like Ridley is. They both get DBs to bite the wrong way.  They look really different doing it though.

Plus -Branch did most of his best work from the slot. 
Ridley is naturally a Z receiver forced to play X for the Jags.

 

You’re missing my point, obviously they are different, but in terms of stage in career and impact to the team. An energy thing. 

 I don’t ever see Ridley being a true #1, but being a reliable target - savvy veteran moves and intelligence. But he’s not diving for balls or making insane one handed catches. He can’t single handedly dominate games like Chase or JJ. And that’s FINE, I rather us go after T. Hig cuz he’s younger but I’d be ok with Ridley back. 
Still think WR in rd1 is the way to go.

OK
It makes sense on that level I suppose - but Ridley just came off a long stretch away from the game and put up better numbers than Branch ever did.

Cap is going up even more than anyone projected. Jags should have no issue giving Ridley the money he wants if they choose to.

(02-23-2024, 03:18 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Cap is going up even more than anyone projected. Jags should have no issue giving Ridley the money he wants if they choose to.

Yeah. 13.7% increase or something to that effect. For perspective. 

Kirk is 9.19% of this year's salary cap. 
Scherff is 9.06% of this year's salary cap. Likely cut. 
Oluokun is 8.24% of this year's salary cap. 
Robinson is 8% of this year's salary cap. Also likely cut or extended to lower it. 
Fatukasi is 4.85% of this year's salary. Also likely cut. 
Jenkins is 4.66% of this year's salary. Also likely cut. 

This leaves Lawrence as the 7th highest cap hit percentage on the year at 4.44% and Zay Jones rounding the 8th spot with 4.18%. 

So, they get a near 14% bump in addition to potentially getting back some, if not, all of those cap hit percentages listed above. Close to 20% back once they cut Scherff, Jenkins and Fatukasi and 25% if they outright cut Robinson or lower his contract to help out. 

If they say they don't have money to sign Ridley or extend Allen comfortably they're full of [BLEEP] or completely incompetent at their jobs.

(02-23-2024, 03:18 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Cap is going up even more than anyone projected. Jags should have no issue giving Ridley the money he wants if they choose to.

255.4 Million is the new cap. Wowsers that is quite a jump from 224 $$$