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(03-04-2024, 03:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2024, 02:52 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]The assumption is that if Rid signs elsewhere for a Brinks truckfull of cash, we lose this year's 3rd as comp for the trade and next year we earn a 3rd comp pick due to losing Rid. So that which we lose comes back a year later.

Frankly we might want the picks next year - Lawrence is going to cost a lot to keep and we're going to need to make a bunch of tough roster choices to care for the cap. Extra picks may help plug holes in affordable fashion.

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turnabout is fair play, we still haven't made the long-term offer or guaranteed more cash than he'd get on the tag....jus sayin

more of a mutual back-scratching makes everyone happier in the long run kind of play.

That would be only if we don't bring in anyone in FA.  I think we have to bring in a couple FAs this year

Sure, but until that happens, we're working with an expectation of a third. If we spend some on an FA (I don't see us chasing day 1, high dollar dudes) it may offset down to a four, but that is part of the cost of playing in the FA market.

If Ridley walks, I’m looking to make one or two of the following moves:

1. Draft Brian Thomas Jr or AD Mitchell
2. Sign Gallup
3. Make a trade for Courtland Sutton
4. Sign Mike Williams (I know he has an ACL but low risk)

FWIW, Spotrac had Mike Evans projected for a $23.8M average per year. They have Ridley at $17.5M. Evan’s projection ended up being a little low. If you apply the same percentage overage, Ridley would wind up around $19M per. If he tests free agency as expected, he’ll probably top that $19M per year number.

Only 7 and a half hours until we flush our 3rd for nothing and have to tag Allen because Baalke can't find his [BLEEP] with both hands.

Clown shoes organization.

Wrong thread

(03-05-2024, 11:49 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/JoshAllen41_/status/...86056?s=20

Dilla just retweeted this.....

What if he shocks us all and signs both of them without using the tag? We wouldn't know for a another 6 days, but man...what if?

(03-05-2024, 10:22 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Only 7 and a half hours until we flush our 3rd for nothing and have to tag Allen because Baalke can't find his [BLEEP] with both hands.

Clown shoes organization.

it'll be ok, world will continue spinning on its axis.

(03-05-2024, 11:52 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 11:49 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/JoshAllen41_/status/...86056?s=20

Dilla just retweeted this.....

What if he shocks us all and signs both of them without using the tag? We wouldn't know for a another 6 days, but man...what if?

I give it 3 days before the pile of humanity in front of the Modis building is too great to be ignored by civic leadership.

(03-05-2024, 12:18 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 10:22 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Only 7 and a half hours until we flush our 3rd for nothing and have to tag Allen because Baalke can't find his [BLEEP] with both hands.

Clown shoes organization.

it'll be ok, world will continue spinning on its axis.

I know.  It's just frustrating to feel like the team was close only to suddenly feel so far away again.

(03-05-2024, 12:37 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 12:18 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]it'll be ok, world will continue spinning on its axis.

I know.  It's just frustrating to feel like the team was close only to suddenly feel so far away again.

It's pretty cool that coming off a winning season we "feel so far away", lol. It's sounds like we went 4-13 last year around here.

(03-05-2024, 03:53 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 12:37 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]I know.  It's just frustrating to feel like the team was close only to suddenly feel so far away again.

It's pretty cool that coming off a winning season we "feel so far away", lol. It's sounds like we went 4-13 last year around here.

We're not far away, but, we're not close neither. We're in that weird limbo phase, where it's purgatory in the off season. I said it a few times already in various threads, not shy or bashful by any means, I know it's overreaction here and there. 

Am I bummed that they couldn't get an extension done with Josh Allen? Yes.

Am I bummed that it's possible that Calvin Ridley can leave for another team, potentially a direct AFC competitor that comes back to bite us down the road? Yes. 

Do I think we should abandon all hope, sell our stocks and get out of the market of being a Jaguars fan for good? No. Of course not. Been through it all since I was seven years old. The good, the bad and the ugly. 

It does feel like though, that, this was one of the more important off seasons this franchise has had in ages. It feels a little underwhelming. It also hasn't officially kicked off yet. As the market and new calendar year officially starts next Wednesday. 

Here's how I see it, as it stands today. 

We're in the market for a CB2, a DT/NT and a WR1 at the minimum. Can they sign all of these needs in free agency? Yes. Will they? I don't know. We'll [BLEEP] around and find out I guess. 

What else does the team need? C, LG and maybe a RG for sure. If you're factoring in last year's draft class? Baalke is potentially operating, along with Pederson's blessing, that, some of these needs are already filled on the roster. 

I believe Antonio Johnson is for sure a starter in this secondary next year. Whether that's at safety in Jenkins old role or playing a little bit of his role and the nickel CB role? We'll see. 

I believe there's some good developmental prospects on this roster as well from last year and the year prior. I like Buster Brown. I like Braswell out of Rutgers. They may or may not bring back Chris Herndon as well. Is he a world beater? No. Is he serviceable? Certainly. 

Once they start signing players next week though it'll help most of us guesstimate what they're planning on doing in the draft. I expect maybe ONE really good signing in the trenches on either side of the football and then maybe two to three "B" grade type signings as insurance policies. 

It at least allows you to breath a little bit in the draft.

(03-05-2024, 03:53 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 12:37 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]I know.  It's just frustrating to feel like the team was close only to suddenly feel so far away again.

It's pretty cool that coming off a winning season we "feel so far away", lol. It's sounds like we went 4-13 last year around here.

or that having him around made us 13-4. There are very few guys on our roster I would consider indispensable.

(03-05-2024, 03:53 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 12:37 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]I know.  It's just frustrating to feel like the team was close only to suddenly feel so far away again.

It's pretty cool that coming off a winning season we "feel so far away", lol. It's sounds like we went 4-13 last year around here.

It's just stupid to say this.

8-3 start.

Where did we finish?

Im not bummed if we lose out on him

We’ll get a 3rd or 4th for him next year with a comp pick

And we won’t have huge money tied to a receiver whom we’re not sure is completely ever going to be back to his prime self, and may not be the best fit here

Draft a WR in the first - get the BA CB in 2nd round

Go hard on FA DTs DE and OL

And let’s get into the dance

(03-05-2024, 05:31 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Im not bummed if we lose out on him

We’ll get a 3rd or 4th for him next year with a comp pick

And we won’t have huge money tied to a receiver whom we’re not sure is completely ever going to be back to his prime self, and may not be the best fit here

Draft a WR in the first - get the BA CB in 2nd round

Go hard on FA DTs DE and OL

And let’s get into the dance

I don’t trust the GM to do that though. That’s my biggest issue.

Need cornerback help? Well that off ball linebacker is there and we gotta draft him!

(03-05-2024, 04:25 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 03:53 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's pretty cool that coming off a winning season we "feel so far away", lol. It's sounds like we went 4-13 last year around here.

We're not far away, but, we're not close neither. We're in that weird limbo phase, where it's purgatory in the off season. I said it a few times already in various threads, not shy or bashful by any means, I know it's overreaction here and there. 

Am I bummed that they couldn't get an extension done with Josh Allen? Yes.

Am I bummed that it's possible that Calvin Ridley can leave for another team, potentially a direct AFC competitor that comes back to bite us down the road? Yes. 

Do I think we should abandon all hope, sell our stocks and get out of the market of being a Jaguars fan for good? No. Of course not. Been through it all since I was seven years old. The good, the bad and the ugly. 

It does feel like though, that, this was one of the more important off seasons this franchise has had in ages. It feels a little underwhelming. It also hasn't officially kicked off yet. As the market and new calendar year officially starts next Wednesday. 

Here's how I see it, as it stands today. 

We're in the market for a CB2, a DT/NT and a WR1 at the minimum. Can they sign all of these needs in free agency? Yes. Will they? I don't know. We'll [BLEEP] around and find out I guess. 

What else does the team need? C, LG and maybe a RG for sure. If you're factoring in last year's draft class? Baalke is potentially operating, along with Pederson's blessing, that, some of these needs are already filled on the roster. 

I believe Antonio Johnson is for sure a starter in this secondary next year. Whether that's at safety in Jenkins old role or playing a little bit of his role and the nickel CB role? We'll see. 

I believe there's some good developmental prospects on this roster as well from last year and the year prior. I like Buster Brown. I like Braswell out of Rutgers. They may or may not bring back Chris Herndon as well. Is he a world beater? No. Is he serviceable? Certainly. 

Once they start signing players next week though it'll help most of us guesstimate what they're planning on doing in the draft. I expect maybe ONE really good signing in the trenches on either side of the football and then maybe two to three "B" grade type signings as insurance policies. 

It at least allows you to breath a little bit in the draft.

Yea, we are currently kind of stuck in the mid level purgatory. We were last year but 3 remarkable plays allowing us to make the playoffs disguised that. This year's free agency and draft is pretty important. It has to allow us to take the next step.  I agree we are in the market for a CB (slot), DT (extra large please) and a WR.  I would add we need two guards and a center. It is imperative we revamp the interior of our offensive line. This includes many of our interior line backups. Our line has under performed for more than a few seasons with the mostly same cast of players there. Doing that yet again next season would be some form of insanity. It is time to cut many of those guys loose and move on giving others a chance.  At least we would have new guys to be disappointed in.

(03-05-2024, 05:22 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2024, 03:53 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's pretty cool that coming off a winning season we "feel so far away", lol. It's sounds like we went 4-13 last year around here.

It's just stupid to say this.

8-3 start.

Where did we finish?

Tanked by injury, it happens. It's stupid that you don't understand this when it happens to good teams every single year.

(03-05-2024, 05:31 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Im not bummed if we lose out on him

We’ll get a 3rd or 4th for him next year with a comp pick

And we won’t have huge money tied to a receiver whom we’re not sure is completely ever going to be back to his prime self, and may not be the best fit here

Draft a WR in the first - get the BA CB in 2nd round

Go hard on FA DTs DE and OL

And let’s get into the dance

We’re not going to get a comp pick for Ridley we’re gonna have to spend money in free agency to fill holes

I just can't fathom giving up a 3rd round pick for a guy for one year. He didn't have the best of year, but he had a way better year than the majority of our WR's from the past. In my eyes, the only way giving up a 3rd and walking away from the player after year one, is he was just bad and didn't produce. In this case, he did produce. Yes he had some drops, ran some wrong routes. But we are talking about a guy that has been out of football for a few years.

I'm not clamoring he needs a big contract, but the franchise tag is perfect for him. Gives him another year to prove what he can do.

Instead we give it to Allen, someone who has proved he can play the part.

How long does it take to knock the rust off a period of inactivity? I keep seeing references to Ridley’s time out of the league as an excuse. I’m not knocking the people who are saying it, I’m just genuinely curious about how long it takes to be proficient after one entire offseason and season to get back into game mode. It’s not like he’s learning something for the first time.