Not mad at all.
Wanted to keep him but it's too expensive. We have big holes to fill.
I could see a WR in day 2 + a veteran like Mike Williams (if he is not too expensive).
I like Curtis Samuel too
This was like week 13 or so last year, week 13!!! Really ? Now you need to pay more attention?
Really?
For that to happen, the Jaguars need to execute, both the coaching staff and players.
Ridley, for his part, says he needs to focus better, "pay attention more in meetings, be more in the moment, and the moment only. Pay attention."
(03-13-2024, 10:58 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Take that money and sign an offensive linemen or two
....we didn't have that money.
(03-14-2024, 08:51 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2024, 06:34 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]He bet on himself, and in a way, it paid off
Dude can't get away from betting. He obviously has a gambling problem. .... lol - joking aside, he seems like a good guy so one can't blame him.
We essentially traded a 3rd round pick to rent a player for 1 year.
Baalke Fail
We delayed a 3rd round pick.
We'll get it back next offseason, unless they do something stupid in the next few days.
(03-14-2024, 08:57 AM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2024, 08:48 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Tennessee offered him lots of money. Did you expect the Jags to get into a bidding war?
I don’t think anyone is Suggesting they outbid titans , the issue is baalke expected Ridley back and at this point we don’t seem to have a back up plan, obviously that could change, but that would require getting very aggressive in the trade market which I don’t really see from baalke,
As cleatwood said we don’t have that guy now that defenses have to at least have a plan for, we have Kirk who can get space inside but when safety’s don’t have to help on the outside that space is going away fast for kirk
Y'all talking like the plan all along was to spend 20M on a new receiver this offseason.
Repeat after me.
THE DARFT IS NOT UNTIL APRIL.
I don't know that anyone in the FO
expected Rid to come back. He gave us the chance to either make an offer or match an offer. No telling if he or his agent were entertaining bids or telling everyone to wait until 4p yesterday.
We were not going to spend 23M on any receiver this year.
Y'all need to take a breath.
(03-14-2024, 09:01 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2024, 08:48 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Tennessee offered him lots of money. Did you expect the Jags to get into a bidding war?
No.
What I expect is to have a competent GM who can draft correctly and manage a roster correctly so the Jags don’t need to get into a bidding war.
Tacks made an offer that the Jags shouldn’t have matched. That’s not my point. My point is that he hasn’t drafted a WR for Trevor since he’s been here and boat loads of good ones have come out. The Oline is old (outside of Anton), pass rush is a problem still and so is the secondary. Trevor will once again have to carry this franchise. And what’s worse, a true building block like Josh Allen might actually play on the tag.
Gabe Davis is a very good WR2 but he’s been playing with an elite route runner in Diggs. Now he’s got Zay on the other side? No defense is out there worried about Zay Jones and Gabe Davis.
Just look at the the Jags drafts the last few years. What was the plan? To get more linebackers? Nailed it!
Since he’s horrible at drafting, he has to patch through FA (second time in 3 years). They have 3 plays who I consider true building blocks (Trevor, Travon, Anton). That’s really bad.
Next year, Trevor gets his big contract and then what? They can’t spend in FA like this and they have to rely on good drafting and savvy pickups. Neither one of those things are in Baalkes wheel house.
Remember how everyone dumped on Baalke for taking a TE early last year after we franchise Engram? Or darfted Etienne when JRob just ran for a grand?
Think about how much we spent in FA the year we brought in Kirk, Zay, and Agnew. Realistically, why would you spend additional draft capital on the position, considering all the other needs on the team? 2021, New coach, thought we were in good shape, still, in the WR room. 2022, traded for Ridley. Question still stands, why are we going to leave bigger holes on the roster to keep adding WR to the competition?
This is the year. The FA guys we signed are getting to the pricier ends of their deals. We need to be ready for the eventuality of moving on. We started that with Washington last year. This is a suuuuuuper deep draft at the position, so we'll be well suited to blend value and future need to fill the depth chart.
Patching is PRECISELY what you want to do with FA. Unfortunately, a few years ago we used FA for the purposes of
building and that limited our ability to leverage the draft for the foundation. I don't see anything we are doing in the present as tying our hands for using this draft (or future drafts) to maintain or develop the future. The patches allow us to aim more at value than at desperate need. Finding value will prevent the need to rely on FA in the future to find quality starting material.
I think this whole "we didn't darft WR so now we're in this pickle" is setting an unattainable goal for the FO. We
had to spend to build. We are now shifting from making headlines on day 1 FA to using the darft to build and FA to patch. How is that bad?
(03-14-2024, 12:24 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]This was like week 13 or so last year, week 13!!! Really ? Now you need to pay more attention?
Really?
For that to happen, the Jaguars need to execute, both the coaching staff and players. Ridley, for his part, says he needs to focus better, "pay attention more in meetings, be more in the moment, and the moment only. Pay attention."
If he's admitting those things last year when the carrot is dangling in front of him, I'd say expect the above to a worse degree in tackland. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving franchise.
Aiyuks name is being floated around.
I’m 100% in for that.
Aiyuk is now following TLaw, Kirk and Gabe Davis…..
(03-14-2024, 01:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Aiyuks name is being floated around.
I’m 100% in for that.
Aiyuk is now following TLaw, Kirk and Gabe Davis…..
I don't know if I buy into that. I just saw too, where, the Ravens are being linked to Deebo Samuel. The 49ers are fixing to move on from their window of opportunity then if they're trading away both of those guys.
I did see Aiyuk linked to the tinhorns though.
(03-14-2024, 12:51 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2024, 09:01 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]No.
What I expect is to have a competent GM who can draft correctly and manage a roster correctly so the Jags don’t need to get into a bidding war.
Tacks made an offer that the Jags shouldn’t have matched. That’s not my point. My point is that he hasn’t drafted a WR for Trevor since he’s been here and boat loads of good ones have come out. The Oline is old (outside of Anton), pass rush is a problem still and so is the secondary. Trevor will once again have to carry this franchise. And what’s worse, a true building block like Josh Allen might actually play on the tag.
Gabe Davis is a very good WR2 but he’s been playing with an elite route runner in Diggs. Now he’s got Zay on the other side? No defense is out there worried about Zay Jones and Gabe Davis.
Just look at the the Jags drafts the last few years. What was the plan? To get more linebackers? Nailed it!
Since he’s horrible at drafting, he has to patch through FA (second time in 3 years). They have 3 plays who I consider true building blocks (Trevor, Travon, Anton). That’s really bad.
Next year, Trevor gets his big contract and then what? They can’t spend in FA like this and they have to rely on good drafting and savvy pickups. Neither one of those things are in Baalkes wheel house.
Remember how everyone dumped on Baalke for taking a TE early last year after we franchise Engram? Or darfted Etienne when JRob just ran for a grand?
Think about how much we spent in FA the year we brought in Kirk, Zay, and Agnew. Realistically, why would you spend additional draft capital on the position, considering all the other needs on the team? 2021, New coach, thought we were in good shape, still, in the WR room. 2022, traded for Ridley. Question still stands, why are we going to leave bigger holes on the roster to keep adding WR to the competition?
This is the year. The FA guys we signed are getting to the pricier ends of their deals. We need to be ready for the eventuality of moving on. We started that with Washington last year. This is a suuuuuuper deep draft at the position, so we'll be well suited to blend value and future need to fill the depth chart.
Patching is PRECISELY what you want to do with FA. Unfortunately, a few years ago we used FA for the purposes of building and that limited our ability to leverage the draft for the foundation. I don't see anything we are doing in the present as tying our hands for using this draft (or future drafts) to maintain or develop the future. The patches allow us to aim more at value than at desperate need. Finding value will prevent the need to rely on FA in the future to find quality starting material.
I think this whole "we didn't darft WR so now we're in this pickle" is setting an unattainable goal for the FO. We had to spend to build. We are now shifting from making headlines on day 1 FA to using the darft to build and FA to patch. How is that bad?
I don't really feel like we are in a bad place, and the draft could make things a bit brighter still.
I'm disappointed about a few decisions, but there's a long way between now and fielding the final roster.
I'm more interested in what our staff is going to do to fix the defense and improve the OL schematically than I am overanalyzing every roster move right now. Improving the talent is the bigger aspect of it, but pieces are still being added.
IDL is still a big need and I'd love to see another IOL piece added as well.
I think there's adequate talent coming together everywhere else for the most part. This offseason still has potential to work out well.
(03-14-2024, 01:43 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2024, 01:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Aiyuks name is being floated around.
I’m 100% in for that.
Aiyuk is now following TLaw, Kirk and Gabe Davis…..
I don't know if I buy into that. I just saw too, where, the Ravens are being linked to Deebo Samuel. The 49ers are fixing to move on from their window of opportunity then if they're trading away both of those guys.
I did see Aiyuk linked to the tinhorns though.
https://twitter.com/MiaOBrienTV/status/1...1913262410
(03-14-2024, 02:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2024, 12:51 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Remember how everyone dumped on Baalke for taking a TE early last year after we franchise Engram? Or darfted Etienne when JRob just ran for a grand?
Think about how much we spent in FA the year we brought in Kirk, Zay, and Agnew. Realistically, why would you spend additional draft capital on the position, considering all the other needs on the team? 2021, New coach, thought we were in good shape, still, in the WR room. 2022, traded for Ridley. Question still stands, why are we going to leave bigger holes on the roster to keep adding WR to the competition?
This is the year. The FA guys we signed are getting to the pricier ends of their deals. We need to be ready for the eventuality of moving on. We started that with Washington last year. This is a suuuuuuper deep draft at the position, so we'll be well suited to blend value and future need to fill the depth chart.
Patching is PRECISELY what you want to do with FA. Unfortunately, a few years ago we used FA for the purposes of building and that limited our ability to leverage the draft for the foundation. I don't see anything we are doing in the present as tying our hands for using this draft (or future drafts) to maintain or develop the future. The patches allow us to aim more at value than at desperate need. Finding value will prevent the need to rely on FA in the future to find quality starting material.
I think this whole "we didn't darft WR so now we're in this pickle" is setting an unattainable goal for the FO. We had to spend to build. We are now shifting from making headlines on day 1 FA to using the darft to build and FA to patch. How is that bad?
I don't really feel like we are in a bad place, and the draft could make things a bit brighter still.
I'm disappointed about a few decisions, but there's a long way between now and fielding the final roster.
I'm more interested in what our staff is going to do to fix the defense and improve the OL schematically than I am overanalyzing every roster move right now. Improving the talent is the bigger aspect of it, but pieces are still being added.
IDL is still a big need and I'd love to see another IOL piece added as well.
I think there's adequate talent coming together everywhere else for the most part. This offseason still has potential to work out well.
We just need to be able to run the ball and get interior pressure on D get that fixed in the draft for sure hopefully then we should be in a good spot.
(03-14-2024, 02:03 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2024, 01:43 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know if I buy into that. I just saw too, where, the Ravens are being linked to Deebo Samuel. The 49ers are fixing to move on from their window of opportunity then if they're trading away both of those guys.
I did see Aiyuk linked to the tinhorns though.
https://twitter.com/MiaOBrienTV/status/1...1913262410
(03-14-2024, 02:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't really feel like we are in a bad place, and the draft could make things a bit brighter still.
I'm disappointed about a few decisions, but there's a long way between now and fielding the final roster.
I'm more interested in what our staff is going to do to fix the defense and improve the OL schematically than I am overanalyzing every roster move right now. Improving the talent is the bigger aspect of it, but pieces are still being added.
IDL is still a big need and I'd love to see another IOL piece added as well.
I think there's adequate talent coming together everywhere else for the most part. This offseason still has potential to work out well.
We just need to be able to run the ball and get interior pressure on D get that fixed in the draft for sure hopefully then we should be in a good spot.
Depends on the asking price for Aiyuk. I really don't like the idea of trading away in this draft at all at the moment. I think if you're willing to fork over a future pick, sure, why not. Maybe give them the 96 pick in RD3 and next year's 2nd RD pick. That's about it. I am keeping the 17th pick, the 46th pick and those other picks in RD4 though.
Aiyuk would be good.
Then we can get a CB, DT and OL in the draft.
(03-14-2024, 02:18 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2024, 02:03 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/MiaOBrienTV/status/1...1913262410
We just need to be able to run the ball and get interior pressure on D get that fixed in the draft for sure hopefully then we should be in a good spot.
Depends on the asking price for Aiyuk. I really don't like the idea of trading away in this draft at all at the moment. I think if you're willing to fork over a future pick, sure, why not. Maybe give them the 96 pick in RD3 and next year's 2nd RD pick. That's about it. I am keeping the 17th pick, the 46th pick and those other picks in RD4 though.
I'm on the same page as you. I'd much rather have:
Rd. 1: Mitchell/Wiggins/Arnold
Rd. 2: Sweat/ Jenkins/Orhorhoro
Rd. 3: Pearsall/McMillan/Corley/Polk
Aiyuk is really good, but above is better.
(03-14-2024, 03:06 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2024, 02:18 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Depends on the asking price for Aiyuk. I really don't like the idea of trading away in this draft at all at the moment. I think if you're willing to fork over a future pick, sure, why not. Maybe give them the 96 pick in RD3 and next year's 2nd RD pick. That's about it. I am keeping the 17th pick, the 46th pick and those other picks in RD4 though.
I'm on the same page as you. I'd much rather have:
Rd. 1: Mitchell/Wiggins/Arnold
Rd. 2: Sweat/ Jenkins/Orhorhoro
Rd. 3: Pearsall/McMillan/Corley/Polk
Aiyuk is really good, but above is better.
Agreed. While Baalke has had a good looking free agency so far, there's just too many holes out there for me to feel comfortable, once again, with them forking over a high value draft pick on a WR.
Aiyuk may or may not be the missing piece. BUT, we have too many missing pieces to be concerning ourselves or fixating ourselves on one player at the moment.
I still think Baalke leans towards defense on the opening night of the draft, and, it'll either be a CB or an EDGE in my opinion. I think WR is something he'll entertain around RD3 personally, the way you have it outlined.
Getting another CB and interior or exterior presence on that defensive line is crucial though, and, because it's been minimally touched up on in free agency and because of the overall value of those positions earlier on with the WR class being relatively deep, it just makes the most sense to go this route.
One thing I wonder is if Trevor May actually play better without Ridley. Too many times last season he was trying to force feed Ridley instead of taking the smart throw. The year before when he was on a roll, he was just reading the defense and finding the open man.
(03-14-2024, 01:43 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2024, 01:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Aiyuks name is being floated around.
I’m 100% in for that.
Aiyuk is now following TLaw, Kirk and Gabe Davis…..
I don't know if I buy into that. I just saw too, where, the Ravens are being linked to Deebo Samuel. The 49ers are fixing to move on from their window of opportunity then if they're trading away both of those guys.
I did see Aiyuk linked to the tinhorns though.
It’s a negotiation tactic.
(03-14-2024, 09:32 PM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2024, 01:43 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know if I buy into that. I just saw too, where, the Ravens are being linked to Deebo Samuel. The 49ers are fixing to move on from their window of opportunity then if they're trading away both of those guys.
I did see Aiyuk linked to the tinhorns though.
It’s a negotiation tactic.
The 49ers are in a world of hurt after last year's splurge. Heck they had to cut Armstead to get under the cap Wenesday. They desperately need to
con someone's first round pick (or any high pick) from them to get cheap good players. Problem is we need our picks for the same reason. Beside the guy is a shorter and lighter Gabe Davis.
Wanted to keep Rid, but not for 23m per lol. Good for him on cashing in and getting the bag. Sucks to have to play him twice a year now.
(03-14-2024, 01:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Aiyuks name is being floated around.
I’m 100% in for that.
Aiyuk is now following TLaw, Kirk and Gabe Davis…..
That would require a premium draft pick PLUS a new contract. That's a little rich for me. I would do one or the other. Not both.
(03-14-2024, 02:18 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2024, 02:03 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/MiaOBrienTV/status/1...1913262410
We just need to be able to run the ball and get interior pressure on D get that fixed in the draft for sure hopefully then we should be in a good spot.
Depends on the asking price for Aiyuk. I really don't like the idea of trading away in this draft at all at the moment. I think if you're willing to fork over a future pick, sure, why not. Maybe give them the 96 pick in RD3 and next year's 2nd RD pick. That's about it. I am keeping the 17th pick, the 46th pick and those other picks in RD4 though.
Add to that if we bring him in it's either a one-year rental like Rid, or we're paying him big, which just resets the cycle of overspending on positions we could easily address in the darft.
Eventually all them cap hits come due. We gotta big one on the horizon, start prepping now.
(03-14-2024, 09:28 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]One thing I wonder is if Trevor May actually play better without Ridley. Too many times last season he was trying to force feed Ridley instead of taking the smart throw. The year before when he was on a roll, he was just reading the defense and finding the open man.
(the year before he had a few seconds to get beyond read 1)